Hey Karen, Yes I think swimming straight is crazy important and a better idea than spending money on a device that may or may not keep one on track. I often swim in the pool with my eyes closed to see if an imbalance has me going to one side or the other. Also, when eliminating one sense, the others tend to be heightened so I can sense my body position so much better. This seems to add more metrics (and possibly more distraction) when many of the top coaches are telling us to quit relying on far too many metrics in our training. Info overload is a real thing. Having used the Finis ones it's a novelty, but doesn't serve to make me any faster. I just know now in real time how damn slow I am.

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as someone who's always been a skilled (if not fast) open-water swimmer, i'm sad that this gadget is going to come along and erode my advantage!

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Thanks for this info - it saved me some head scratching. I discovered another wrinkle, though - I apparently have an early batch of the v1 goggles, and the hardware on it isn't compatible with SwimStraight (the curse of the early adopter). I had already ordered the v2, so they were kind enough to retroactively discount my order.

Ian

For those of us where our entire knowledge of baseball is that there was a person called Babe ruth, Kevin Costner had a farm that grew dead baseball playing holograms and it was Snoopy's favourite game then that example didn't help much. I'm guessing you can't translate into Cricket speak for the rest of the world, but anyone care to explain what sabermetrics are (in this context).

Thanks

The Brad Pitt movie "Moneyball" is about this topic and is a pretty interesting movie even if you're not that into baseball.

This company launched a kick starter a while ago that included the HR and virtual training partner.
https://ghostpacer.com/#

When it's interchangeable magnetic lenses for different light conditions. Please take my money.

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You just have to wear the ugliest glasses known to man mind….

Also, for people listening to music in the pool. Who still owns mp3s? Is there a headset that pairs with spotify or something?

I just got a new pair of form goggles a couple weeks before the new version was released… of course. But am glad cuz I’d prefer the 12 month free and don’t really care about hr. I suck at swimming. It’s always high! Ha

This. Form goggles are a good concept, but in practice i can barely see my arm extending at the front, and the risk of bumping into another swimmer is very high. You also need lines on the floor to indicate when to turn (i once banges my head against the wall in a pool without lines). Sincerely hope version 2 is better in that respect. More data is a nice to have but if you can't see it's all a bit pointless

I use the Aftershokz bone conduction MP3 player. Pricey, but by far the most elegant solution for swimming with tunes. The problem with trying to do streaming is that bluetooth has an underwater range of 1-2 inches, and an above water range of 10m (which is a problem if you plan on leaving your phone at one end of a 25m pool). MP3 is a dated tech for many folks, but onboard storage is the most practical solution for swimming atm.

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No need for MP3s. There are plenty of products for non-streaming music with Spotify et.c. . Have a look at e.g. the Garmin line of "Music"-watches.

I don't know of any such for swimming, but I'm not in the market

Yeah the Shokz headphones are the best ones I've tried in terms of fit and sound quality, but its a right pain trying to sort out mp3's for it, considering everything is streamed these days. I've just ended up with the same couple of mp3 albums I listen too over and over again.

h2audio have a feature built-in called Playlist+ which when you connect them as a Bluetooth audio device, has onboard recording (so its re-recording the audio) so you can listen back in the pool

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In an age where cycling glasses are getting bigger and wider and more crazy, it’s funny that the big crazy face mask style goggles are not more popular in swimming with the elites. But the wide curved lenses that the top speedo and arena goggles do provide a lot of visibility

I was thinking they could sync with spotify when connected to wifi, much like the garmin watches. Save any playlists or podcasts to the device so they can be listened to in the pool. I’m surprised this isn’t the case yet…

That's an enormous upgrade. They don't connect to Wifi, only bluetooth. Bluetooth doesn't work very well underwater, let alone above water 75-150ft away at the other end of the pool. So you'd need internal storage which they don't have (well, not enough of for music). Then once you've solved having audio stored/streamed you need some sort of headphones. A bunch of underwater designs out there, all require not insignificant battery power. And sized in such a way that they're something a majority wouldn't want attached to their goggles.

I'd much rather have a race-ier pair of goggles that I can wear headphones with than a bulky pair of goggles that I can't remove headphones from.

I’ve tried a bunch but the best are still Shokz. And yes the MP3 limit sucks. I found a site that you can download Spotify playlists into MP3s and I just used my favorites list to get a 100+ set of songs I have on shuffle. It’s not ideal as I’d like more variety and maybe a podcast every now and then, but it’s better than silence. https://spotifydown.com/ is the site.

The next best option is the Delphin player from Underwater Audio. It’s an update to the waterproof iPod Shuffle that is an Android tablet that can actually run a few apps and the best part was downloading offline Spotify playlists. The negative with them is they use wired earbuds and I’m not a fan of any earplugs while swimming. Other than that it would probably be perfect.

The one I haven’t tried is Zygo. It’s an on deck transmitter system that your phone connects to via Bluetooth and it broadcasts using RF. I don’t normally even have my phone on deck so thinking I’d have to remember to bring it and charge and bring a transmitter as well as my fancy goggles just hasn’t caught my attention, yet.

I updated *everything*-- phone app and goggles firmware. Went through their silly "simulated swim" demonstration. THEN the next time I opened Open Water Swim, there it was.

Did you get a special discount? I’m thinking about V2 and was wondering why they weren’t offering some type of discount to current subscribers.

Wow. Talk about screwing over existing customers. It’s really bad.

The 2 months of included Premium isn’t valid if yo already are a premium subscriber there is no extra 2 months.

“Please note, you won't get a second trial of Premium if you have already had one.”

That’s poor.

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Looks like no discounts for tri clubs with Form affiliation, at least with mine.

Yes, no discounts on V2 for the time being.

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