First, can you support this claim that there was a Hamas group present. This is a big accusation and I don’t see any evidence.

Second, so you are saying this NPR reporter is lying:

https://x.com/...XKV1ghhjJ-gpfjpVyTqg

Why do you believe she is lying?


I don’t think I am the one that has fallen for propaganda here, but somebody has. It is the one making accusations based on no evidence.

Umm, you are basing you conclusions on emotion. I am basing them on the evidence of the video you thought supported you that actually goes against you, and also the evidence of the school officials saying it happened and shutting it down. You are arguing against the evidence while I am arguing the evidence.

What is evidence do you have that there were pro-Hamas people there?

What evidence do you have that the reporter present is lying?

Well, Palestine is run by Hamas. Its their ruling political party. There have been plenty of sightings at these rallies of waving Hamas flags. There are also plenty of manipulators at their protests, professionals like we saw at many BLM(tm) events. That is why some Universities have been doing catch and release if you show student IDs, if you can't then jail.

What evidence do you have that a single reporter from a news source in question for woke manipulation was not lying? Or, she could be oblivious to what happened.

Bonus question:
Why was the recent USC valedictorian's speech just canceled? (Hint: She has social media content advocating a one state solution dependent on the wiping out of Israel, amongst other things)

https://www.reddit.com/r/boston/s/yuW5B3oBKJ

 


Well that is factually not true.



Evidence of that at northeastern? Because you keep claiming they support Hamas.


Like the person you are defending ?


I don’t, so I guess she is not lying then. Is that what you are now saying.


Was this USC valedictorian at the northeastern protest?

I've never blocked anybody, but yes, I'm tempted.

And while I'm providing "life tips", you might try writing complete sentences. What exactly did you mean by "Confusing that having to read what they actually wrote."?

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Well, Palestine is run by Hamas. Its their ruling political party. There have been plenty of sightings at these rallies of waving Hamas flags. There are also plenty of manipulators at their protests, professionals like we saw at many BLM(tm) events. That is why some Universities have been doing catch and release if you show student IDs, if you can't then jail.

What evidence do you have that a single reporter from a news source in question for woke manipulation was not lying? Or, she could be oblivious to what happened.

Bonus question:
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Caveat 1: My wife is Jewish.
Caveat 2: My experience is limited to a large university and college town in northern Colorado.
Caveat 3: I work in LE.

I've witnessed a significant amount of overt and covert anti-Semitism at Pro-Gaza protests - with behaviors ranging from the typical "oppressor" language to chants of "fuck Israel" to specific threats of violence towards pro-Israel counter-protesters. In addition, there is daily pro-Palestine graffiti appearing in numerous places. It goes up as quickly as the city can clean it off.

The oddest act of protest I've seen was three women (all 50-60 years of age) who used Guerilla Glue to glue their hands to the wall of city council chambers. I have new respect for the sticking power of Guerilla Glue. It took hours and much solvent to remove these ladies from the chambers and transport them to jail.

All of the protests I've witnessed have included strong under-currents of anti-Semitism coupled with very overt anti-Semitism by members of the protest groups. We've been lucky and have thus far not experienced any violence or significant acts of disruption, although I anticipate that coming. The protesters have become much more aggressive and confrontational over the last few weeks and the media coverage of events out of state will likely embolden that behavior locally.

The protest groups I've seen appear to be decidedly left wing. They have a look; IYKYK. Nearly identical to BLM protesters from a few years ago. Their local demands seem somewhat amorphous. As if a mid-size city in Colorado has any influence on war in Israel. Just today, there was a large protest on campus and the student group presented the university with a demand letter; they demanded university divestment from Israel, ending study abroad in Israel (and presumably disinviting Israeli students?) and turning down money from corporations with ties to the US military.

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I do not doubt that there is a large AS component to the protests - as with most of these types of things, the most militant tend to be the most vocal and not representative of the the majority who may have some sympathy with specific issues

I think many people who are not anti semites want a cease fire and a two state solution and do not approve of the continued response of the Israeli government. It doesn't make them antisemitic

Yes, agreed. I want a ceasefire and 2 state solution and i don’t approve of the continued response of the Netanyahu government. Just reporting my observations as someone who’s been in the mix recently.

One other thing that i have found troublesome is the tacit and at times explicit support of Hamas. And the notion that October 6 was justified. An image that is stuck in my mind is a white non-binary queer person with dyed yellow hair wearing a “Fuck Israel” shirt and Hamas flag as a cape protesting at a city council meeting.

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I guess it's some sort of mark of moral superiority to support people that would literally slit your throat if given the chance.

From what I've read, same sex marriage is completely legal in the West Bank (since 1951) and in Gaza of course its illegal. But no throat slitting and the IDF have killed far more Americans, gays, and journalists than Hamas has. Israeli Jews though will spit on Christian Pilgrims in Jerusalem and block aid from reaching Gaza.

I've seen this point of view a lot in the last few months, that the LGBTQ shouldn't be protesting against the war because gays don't have equal rights etc. Its like you expect them to think "Until Israel completely obliterates Gaza and forcefully changes their morals and LGBTQ laws, I can't support them." I'd say its you that has a moral superiority problem.

I don't support either side, so you'll have to infer my morals from that.

That person is an idiot.

To be clear was it the actual Green and white Hamas flag or the Red, Black, white, and green Palestinian flag? I have seen lots of Palestinian flags in the coverage but no Hamas flags. They are striking.

It does appear that some of the anarchists that caused chaos at BLM demonstrations are bringing their special brand of stupidity to these protests. Concealed faces, hidden weapons, breaking into buildings. They are there to cause chaos.

Same sex marriage is not legal in either Gaza or the West Bank.

Wanting a peaceful two state solution is a reasonable goal but a LGBTQ person supporting Hamas is completely illogical. A good example of how they treat gay people is what they did to one of their senior leaders who was gay.

Hamas Files Found by Israel in Gaza Detail Execution of Senior Member Accused of Being Gay - Palestinians - Haaretz.com

Anyone who is not a fundamentalist Muslim supporting Hamas is completely illogical. If you really believe in the plight of the Palestinians they're the last group you should be supporting. It's like protesting the fire bombing of German civilians in Dresden in WWII by supporting the Nazis.

I should have said same-sex acts were decriminalized in the West Bank while it was under Jordanian occupation in 1951. Anyways, the strategy to condemn LGBTQ groups for supporting Palestinians is called "pinkwashing". Its Israel's and their supporters' way of saying "Don't support the Palestinians regardless of the violence towards them or how oppressed they are because they just aren't as civilized as we are. Just look the other way and blame Hamas while we discriminate against them.

https://theconversation.com/...washing-a-war-218322

I think there is probably something to that, but what was being discussed here was someone supporting Hamas. IMO, anybody doing that is a fool or has some sort of ideology just as misguided as their's.

The hand gluing is not new. It's a method frequently employed by climate activists to shut down roadways. A funny edition of this happened not too long ago where it took a while for the fire department to drill them out of the pavement and they were begging the police to feed them water and bring them pee buckets (though they had no hands available so the police would have been expected to do more than supply the bucket).

No it isn't. Pointing out the fact that Hamas are a bunch of religious extremists does not mean that you think Palestinians are not oppressed or not civilized.

People that really want a free, independent, Palestinian state should be aggressively calling out the corrupt extremists who have been leading Palestine for decades. Getting rid of Hamas, not celebrating them, is an essential part of the equation.

Typical of you to keep twisting things. It's going on at many of these encampment university protests. And you are denying it happened here because of a very short and clipped video purporting a pro Israel person was chanting "Kill the Jews". Watching the video easily showed that the pro Hamas supporters were lying and you are now propagating their lie here. And to say I am defending this person is pathetic. You propagated obvious lies and I called you out on it. And you now label an anti protestor a manipulator for questioning the "Kill the Jews" narrative that keeps popping up at most of these debacles?

And yes you should pay attention to why the USC valedictorian's speech was canceled. These are your campus heroes that are further manipulated by the professional agitators being shipped in. These are the types you are literally defending (with your head buried in the sand).

"One Palestinian state would mean Palestinian liberation, and the complete abolishment of the state of Israel. This is the only way towards justice."


https://www.instagram.com/asna.tabassum/

I am thinking about making bumper stickers that read:


" My money and my terrorist go to Columbia University"


or

"I sent my kid to Columbia University and he came back a terrorist"

They should sell out in minutes.

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It was a green flag with white Arabic looking writing. I didn’t get a close look at it but from across the chambers and considering it was worn as a cape, it appeared to me to be the actual Hamas flag (which, I just checked, can be purchased on Amazon for $7.95 with free Prime delivery).

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