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Re: Adjusting training plan based on recovery metrics? HRV, Training Readiness, Recovery Time etc [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
mathematics wrote:

-Warm up 10-15 min easy
-3 min 150bpm
-3 min 160bpm
-1 min 170bpm



I do it slightly differently using power set points instead of HR. And then watching how my HR responds to the different power outputs. If HR is near threshold when I'm "Zone 2," that's usually not a good thing. Unless it's just because I'm all adrenalined-up before a race.

Garmin is trying to do this in an automated way, e.g. 5-6 minutes into a workout it'll pop up a notice saying what your "condition" looks like.

But I trust the manual method more at this point. Automated is nice, but the Garmin method is too much of a black box and too vague.

Yep, that actual protocol is less important than doing it consistently the same so you know it's apples to apples.

The other good thing about looking at the numbers yourself instead of Garmin doing it is that you learn little bits about yourself along the way.
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Re: Adjusting training plan based on recovery metrics? HRV, Training Readiness, Recovery Time etc [teixido] [ In reply to ]
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In none of your examples do you actually make a decision contrary to RPE in favor of the HRV metric.

That's the definition of a "don't care."
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Re: Adjusting training plan based on recovery metrics? HRV, Training Readiness, Recovery Time etc [mathematics] [ In reply to ]
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I've found the HRV function of the Garmin to be remarkably accurate. If I've had a night with a few drinks guaranteed the HRV takes a beating.

What was really interesting though a couple of months ago I trained myself into a hole, just constantly fatigued, didn't want to get out of bed etc. Sure enough HRV was in the red for the entire duration. What was perhaps more interesting is how long it took to recover, backed the training right back and then one day woke up feeling great and ready to get back into it, looked at HRV and low and behold it was back in the green.

Not sure I'd have the discipline though to back a session off if I was feeling good but HRV showed low.
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Re: Adjusting training plan based on recovery metrics? HRV, Training Readiness, Recovery Time etc [tedtri] [ In reply to ]
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study on the recovery score generated by Whoop - entirely useless..

https://journals.sagepub.com/...77/17479541231206424

https://twitter.com/.../1720477150107550202
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the recovery score having zero correlation with all other variables is quite something
please do yourself a favor: use wearables to look at the physiology, and ignore made-up metrics (recovery, readiness, etc.)



HRV as measured by Whoop is somewhat useful, though

https://twitter.com/.../1720468178999075124
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The higher HRV is, the lower stress scores are (generally).
However, this relationship is nowhere near strong enough to predict stress from HRV alone (r=-0.46).


More generally, see

https://marcoaltini.substack.com/...-society-of-medicine


Last edited by: doug in co: Nov 9, 23 8:34
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