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Re: NBC Broadcast [Lurker4] [ In reply to ]
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The point of the NBC coverage is to get people to signup for an Ironman. If "they" can do it, I can do it, is the desired response after seeing all the human interest stories.

Agree. The reason the format feels tired is that it’s a basic template used year after year, and one that has shown to be award-winning and very effective to convey a few stories, some fop coverage, and create if not mythology around the brand, at least some equity around IM that pays off later.

The really interesting thing to me is where it will go from here. The broadcast started when “Appointment television” was a thing, and even when it was shown on the shittiest (or cheapest) timeslot available for sports - the Saturday the week after thanksgiving, when half the world would be out bricks and mortar Christmas shopping - it still drew an audience in the millions (just a guess, based on what a TV show in a major network would pull back in the day). Nowadays, thanks to endless channels and the internet, appointment television is an anachronism, and the pull for the show must be minuscule, eroded, or at least no longer carry anywhere near the cost-benefit pull that it used to have. Also, people know about IM.

I guess the one thing that the show did achieve - and ironman is kind of a victim of its own success here - is the creation of the mythology of the sport and Kona through image and storytelling. Absent the NBC program, there would be no collective experience of the Ironwar, the energy lab, Julie Moss, and the myriad other legends or myths that kept coming up as “tradition” on the threads discussing the IMWC off-island. These wouldn’t come to us, and sustain, if they’re were stories in Legend magazine, or were carried from lived experience by elder athletes and passed along to the young entering the sport … it’s only television, and well-produced television at that, that could achieve the durability of stories that we’ve made the bedrock of the sport.

A former coach described racing your first time as Kona as like walking on the set of Seinfeld: to me, that’s the power of image and TV. As we’ve struggled with the departure of IMWC from Kona, I also have to wonder if there’s a way to wean us off racing on the big island by creating new images, myths, and larger-than-life dest8nations using the same thing for Nice, or wherever. Shit - I’ve been to Nice x3 (* raced 1x), and could at best, tell you that the race had a part on the Promenade de l’Anglais (sp?), and maybe went through a town called Gillette in the mountains. Meanwhile, more than a few of us could tell you the topography, roads, intersections, hot spots, and where magical moments of the sport occurred of the Kona course before ever setting foot in the island.

I think the production team were called the Austin Crew, or something like that? I would be fascinated to hear some of the behind the scenes on how the broadcast comes together, and what they had been trying to achieve with it. love or hate what it has done for the “sport,” it has made for great television.
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Re: NBC Broadcast [davetallo] [ In reply to ]
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davetallo wrote:
Lurker4 wrote:
The point of the NBC coverage is to get people to signup for an Ironman. If "they" can do it, I can do it, is the desired response after seeing all the human interest stories.


Agree. The reason the format feels tired is that it’s a basic template used year after year, and one that has shown to be award-winning and very effective to convey a few stories, some fop coverage, and create if not mythology around the brand, at least some equity around IM that pays off later.

The really interesting thing to me is where it will go from here. The broadcast started when “Appointment television” was a thing, and even when it was shown on the shittiest (or cheapest) timeslot available for sports - the Saturday the week after thanksgiving, when half the world would be out bricks and mortar Christmas shopping - it still drew an audience in the millions (just a guess, based on what a TV show in a major network would pull back in the day). Nowadays, thanks to endless channels and the internet, appointment television is an anachronism, and the pull for the show must be minuscule, eroded, or at least no longer carry anywhere near the cost-benefit pull that it used to have. Also, people know about IM.

I guess the one thing that the show did achieve - and ironman is kind of a victim of its own success here - is the creation of the mythology of the sport and Kona through image and storytelling. Absent the NBC program, there would be no collective experience of the Ironwar, the energy lab, Julie Moss, and the myriad other legends or myths that kept coming up as “tradition” on the threads discussing the IMWC off-island. These wouldn’t come to us, and sustain, if they’re were stories in Legend magazine, or were carried from lived experience by elder athletes and passed along to the young entering the sport … it’s only television, and well-produced television at that, that could achieve the durability of stories that we’ve made the bedrock of the sport.

A former coach described racing your first time as Kona as like walking on the set of Seinfeld: to me, that’s the power of image and TV. As we’ve struggled with the departure of IMWC from Kona, I also have to wonder if there’s a way to wean us off racing on the big island by creating new images, myths, and larger-than-life dest8nations using the same thing for Nice, or wherever. Shit - I’ve been to Nice x3 (* raced 1x), and could at best, tell you that the race had a part on the Promenade de l’Anglais (sp?), and maybe went through a town called Gillette in the mountains. Meanwhile, more than a few of us could tell you the topography, roads, intersections, hot spots, and where magical moments of the sport occurred of the Kona course before ever setting foot in the island.

I think the production team were called the Austin Crew, or something like that? I would be fascinated to hear some of the behind the scenes on how the broadcast comes together, and what they had been trying to achieve with it. love or hate what it has done for the “sport,” it has made for great television.

What a thoughtful and well written post. Nothing to add.
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Re: NBC Broadcast [christianlee] [ In reply to ]
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just a fact-check and satisfying my own curiosity: "Texas Crew," not "Austin Crew."

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Re: NBC Broadcast [Lurker4] [ In reply to ]
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Lurker4 wrote:
The point of the NBC coverage is to get people to signup for an Ironman. If "they" can do it, I can do it, is the desired response after seeing all the human interest stories.

And it works! I enjoy the broadcast. I’m not pointy end, I’m never going to qualify for the WC (unless everyone else in my age group drops dead). But I love by the human interest stories and it inspires me to sign up for things, which in turn gives me a reason to get my butt off the couch.

I think a lot of folks are missing the point that this broadcast is not for you. It’s not about technical details and swim form and who’s running the latest bike build and how they’re maximizing their aero potential. Those people come to Slowtwitch to hash those things out. It’s for people who want to be amazed and inspired and want to dream a little.
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Re: NBC Broadcast [st speedskater] [ In reply to ]
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st speedskater wrote:
NBC TV has little interest in doing more than a highlight show on any sport that doesn't attract ads for internet gambling.
They abandoned their two sports channels and now fit sports events in between entertainment show reruns or financial shows.

Actually given where sports rights are going, collapse of cable bundle etc, I wonder if NBC will go after Ironman as it is a cheap 8-9 hours of programming. Would be kinda cool if they did and upped the comms standard.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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