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1986 Goodwill Games Day 1 Prime Time July 5, 1986 - YouTube

Some things not what they used to be.

For real swimming take a look at this. 86 good will games. Mens 800 free.

From about 10 minutes onwards you get Salnikov grunting out a new 800 WR and taking it down to 750. Many regard Hackett or Perkins as the greatest male distance swimmers to throw on the cosy.

But the western bias must be strong.

Salnikov was a lock for the 84 medal but for the boycott. Was at his peak.

So that is a 3 peat in the mile but for the boycott. Equivalent only done by Ledecky in the 800 and she's ripped up the books too.

Salnikov swam before any coin from suit companies was in the sport. Probably had a handful of baggie chlorine bleached DTs and some massive and comfortable training goggles. No compression legs. No floater suits. No cap either. Hair would have been brittle as twigs.

Pushing off the wall was about getting on top and ripping in as fast as possible. No streamline. Double cross over kick.

Nothing fancy - just 3k to 3.5k KMs per year, up to 12 a session. 20k a day in early season. Get as fit as possible and race your competition into the ground. Sessions a mixed bag of everything, some aerboic zone 120-130 HR work (a lot), some fast but short work, and some just eat shit and get flogged on short rest. The scene now is much more periodised and polarised.

When Salnikov started the mile WR was held by Goodell at 15.02.40, set at OGs in 76. Salnikov took that down 3 x and ended it at 14:54.76. No mucking around from Perkins and Hackett who between them took it down another 20 seconds (Hackett took it down to 14.34.56)

For the 400 free, Goodell had it at 3.51.56 at a USA v GDR dual meet in West Berlin in 76. Vlad breaks it six times and gets it down to 348.32.

For the 800 free this is where he does the most damage. Bobby Hackett had it at 801 from the 76 trials. Salnikov cracks that and takes it down to 7.50.64.

What he could do was get high in the water, sit and float over his hips and swing the arms for hell or high water.

Probably no under water filming. No podcasting or YT.

Sport and life perhaps not what it used to be but impressive how far he brought things fwd on an old school technique that even us battlers can try to emulate and get after. No one is getting into the same positions Hackett and Thorpe could get into. But Vlad aka the Monsters of the Waves the Tsar of the Pool or the Leningrad Express gives a model for some to follow if you can't kick for shit and you race in a wetsuit.
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1986 Goodwill Games Day 1 Prime Time July 5, 1986 - YouTube

Some things not what they used to be.

For real swimming take a look at this. 86 good will games. Mens 800 free.

From about 10 minutes onwards you get Salnikov grunting out a new 800 WR and taking it down to 750. Many regard Hackett or Perkins as the greatest male distance swimmers to throw on the cosy.

But the western bias must be strong.

Salnikov was a lock for the 84 medal but for the boycott. Was at his peak.

So that is a 3 peat in the mile but for the boycott. Equivalent only done by Ledecky in the 800 and she's ripped up the books too.

Salnikov swam before any coin from suit companies was in the sport. Probably had a handful of baggie chlorine bleached DTs and some massive and comfortable training goggles. No compression legs. No floater suits. No cap either. Hair would have been brittle as twigs.

Pushing off the wall was about getting on top and ripping in as fast as possible. No streamline. Double cross over kick.

Nothing fancy - just 3k to 3.5k KMs per year, up to 12 a session. 20k a day in early season. Get as fit as possible and race your competition into the ground. Sessions a mixed bag of everything, some aerboic zone 120-130 HR work (a lot), some fast but short work, and some just eat shit and get flogged on short rest. The scene now is much more periodised and polarised.

When Salnikov started the mile WR was held by Goodell at 15.02.40, set at OGs in 76. Salnikov took that down 3 x and ended it at 14:54.76. No mucking around from Perkins and Hackett who between them took it down another 20 seconds (Hackett took it down to 14.34.56)

For the 400 free, Goodell had it at 3.51.56 at a USA v GDR dual meet in West Berlin in 76. Vlad breaks it six times and gets it down to 348.32.

For the 800 free this is where he does the most damage. Bobby Hackett had it at 801 from the 76 trials. Salnikov cracks that and takes it down to 7.50.64.

What he could do was get high in the water, sit and float over his hips and swing the arms for hell or high water.

Probably no under water filming. No podcasting or YT.

Sport and life perhaps not what it used to be but impressive how far he brought things fwd on an old school technique that even us battlers can try to emulate and get after. No one is getting into the same positions Hackett and Thorpe could get into. But Vlad aka the Monsters of the Waves the Tsar of the Pool or the Leningrad Express gives a model for some to follow if you can't kick for shit and you race in a wetsuit.



Ya, old Vlad is just killing it, turning over at around 100 strokes/min. And of course, anyone going that fast is going to be riding very high in the water. It is his sheer power and endurance that made him the top D swimmer in the world for about 12 yrs. That was a big blast from the past, thanks for posting!!!


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must have been playing on his mind 2 years post the boycott of the la games to come to the us and show what he was made of. for someone to swim a 750 in the 8 and have a best time of 348 in the 4 he may not have had many gears to play with. hafnaoui goes 340 and then 737. so thats 400m plus 17 seconds. vlad goes 400m pace plus 14.
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must have been playing on his mind 2 years post the boycott of the la games to come to the us and show what he was made of. for someone to swim a 750 in the 8 and have a best time of 348 in the 4 he may not have had many gears to play with. hafnaoui goes 340 and then 737. so thats 400m plus 17 seconds. vlad goes 400m pace plus 14.

Hmmm, I'm not sure that 3 sec is that big of a differentiator given that the records were set in diff years, but it's kind of hard to say. In any case, Sal was one hell of a swimmer!!!!!


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That was the Janet Evans era. She could swing her arms

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need to watch this later

maybe she's born with it, maybe it's chlorine
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Another swim gem. I think she may have had unusual hyper flexibility in the knees and hips to get that bounce and flick action in her hips and legs. Vlad seems less hyper mobile in his stroke
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Wanted to do a post on Holmertz and you and I have talked about him before.

Was listening to the Scientific triathlon podcast a few weeks ago with Vasco Vilaca. Vasco Vilaça | EP#401 (scientifictriathlon.com). Podium level guy on the WTS.

VV worked with holmertz as his swim coach in Sweden to get him up to first pack in wts. he said we would do 35k weeks and 7k sessions, and run and bike a lot less. Was a natural run and biker but not a young swimming legend.

Gave his swimming a huge boost and started to come out near the front of races.

when he moved to joel filliol he was worried they wouldn't be doing the same swims and consistent swim volume as he was improving a lot before with holmertz . From anders he learnt that drills and stuff are good when you are young, but when you are a tri there is not time to do that.

How anders did it was just swim and swim and swim a lot & that is the approach he employed with VV. do someting enough and you become good and your body learns if you put your hand in a certain way that works.
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waverider101 wrote:
Wanted to do a post on Holmertz and you and I have talked about him before.

Was listening to the Scientific triathlon podcast a few weeks ago with Vasco Vilaca. Vasco Vilaça | EP#401 (scientifictriathlon.com). Podium level guy on the WTS.

VV worked with holmertz as his swim coach in Sweden to get him up to first pack in wts. he said we would do 35k weeks and 7k sessions, and run and bike a lot less. Was a natural run and biker but not a young swimming legend.

Gave his swimming a huge boost and started to come out near the front of races.

when he moved to joel filliol he was worried they wouldn't be doing the same swims and consistent swim volume as he was improving a lot before with holmertz . From anders he learnt that drills and stuff are good when you are young, but when you are a tri there is not time to do that.

How anders did it was just swim and swim and swim a lot & that is the approach he employed with VV. do someting enough and you become good and your body learns if you put your hand in a certain way that works.

Very interesting that Holmertz is/was coaching a top WTS triathlete like Vasco. So cool that Vasco improved enough to make the front pack. This prob means he dropped his 1500 scm down a minute or even 1:30, which is a pretty big jump consid he was already prob 17:30 or better just to make the cut to get to the WTS.


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This is a nice one too.


Anders Holmertz Career Highlights (English Subtitles) - YouTube


Holmertz was clearly a fast turnover guy as opposed to Gross and Biondi who had longer strokes and slower turnover rates. Here is Anders in the 400 free at the 1992 Oly. It wasn't his best race as he finished 5th but it does have great footage of him swimming.

https://www.google.com/search?q=anders+homertz+swimming+1992+olympics+youtube&sca_esv=564158632&sxsrf=AB5stBiZR878HzUNlXwzJkL5s4EiC4KB2Q%3A1694402383227&ei=T4f-ZL-wDayjqtsPh4qyCA&ved=0ahUKEwj_k6LhzKGBAxWskWoFHQeFDAEQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=anders+homertz+swimming+1992+olympics+youtube&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiLWFuZGVycyBob21lcnR6IHN3aW1taW5nIDE5OTIgb2x5bXBpY3MgeW91dHViZTIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABMgUQIRirAkj9JlCsBVisGnABeACQAQCYAZ4BoAGOA6oBAzAuM7gBA8gBAPgBAcICCBAAGKIEGLADwgIHECEYoAEYCuIDBBgBIEGIBgGQBgI&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&ip=1&vld=cid:ee96a954,vid:uEpdt9QhRJw,st:0


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