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Non-wax chain lube and care
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Hello friends, I'm sure there is a thread about this but I cannot find it. I'm looking for advice on the following:
1. What are the best non-wax chain lubes?
2. What's the best way to apply?
3. What are the best ways to clean these chains?
4. How often should I clean and re-lube (assuming I have not rode in the rain)?

Thanks in advance. I've been riding many years now and really need to get better at bike maintenance.
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [pistuo] [ In reply to ]
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I've been waxing for four years now but prior to that I used wet lubes for about thirty years. The best wet lube I ever used in that time was Nixfrixshun (NFS) lube - https://www.nixfrixshun.com/...e-bicycle-chainlube/
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [pistuo] [ In reply to ]
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You'll find a wealth information on various chain lubes here:
https://zerofrictioncycling.com.au/
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [Bdaghisallo] [ In reply to ]
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I was a fan of that also. I also switched to wax, Silca, on my TT bike. But used their lube on gravel bike until this year, recently switched that over to wax also.
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [pistuo] [ In reply to ]
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I like wax.
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [Pwraddr] [ In reply to ]
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Dang it. You guys are going to talk me into using wax. Ok, tell me what setup I need?
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [pistuo] [ In reply to ]
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I used to wax but gave it up. Love rock n roll gold now.

Clean the chain
Apply as indicated (30 seconds?)
Reapply occasionally (150 miles? Once a week? Once a month? Idk)
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [pistuo] [ In reply to ]
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It's incredibly easy. Get some canning wax at the grocery store (it's actually paraffin). Melt it in a double boiler, or a FryDaddy or equivalent. Kerplunk the chain. Swirl with a stick, pull it out with the stick (it's very hot) and hang it up to cool for a few minutes. Do this in the garage, or at least where there is no carpet along the path. End of black slimy gritty mess.
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [pistuo] [ In reply to ]
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I use a mini crockpot and Gulf paraffin wax (about $4 at Walmart).
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [jimatbeyond] [ In reply to ]
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Before soaking chain in wax is it recommended to soak the chain first in a degreaser? Diesel, paint thinner, gas etc. to get the wet grease and gunk off?
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [pistuo] [ In reply to ]
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I'll give a shot at actually answering the question. If you believe Adam Kerin, probably the best non-wax lube tested by him is Silca Synergetic. I think you should probably lube once a week, briefly wipe the chain down with a rag every wide. Do at least an on-bike chain cleaner session after a wet ride. Ideally, try to do the on-bike chain clean as often as you can manage it, maybe try for once a month.

If you go wax and you do not want to go through the hassle of cleaning your chain, I'd consider buying a pre-treated chain from MSW or Silca. Or maybe even Ceramicspeed. Then you can apply whatever wax you want - I think that would include the Ceramicspeed chain, although I don't know exactly what they use on their chains. I think Adam Kerin has remarked that it should be fine to lube over a CS chain with a good drip wax. If you want to do this, I'd check his writing - but he does tend to write rather long.
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [Grahamsc] [ In reply to ]
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Grahamsc wrote:
Before soaking chain in wax is it recommended to soak the chain first in a degreaser? Diesel, paint thinner, gas etc. to get the wet grease and gunk off?

Yes, if you're going to wax a chain it needs to be completely clean. I haven't used wax myself, but my brother has waxed his chain and said it would have been easier to get a new chain and clean the factory lube off that than to properly clean an used chain.
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [Grahamsc] [ In reply to ]
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I clean new chains in mineral spirits three or four times over two to four weeks. They soak for a few days to a few weeks each time.

After that, I clean the chain in an acetone bath.
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [jimatbeyond] [ In reply to ]
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jimatbeyond wrote:
I clean new chains in mineral spirits three or four times over two to four weeks. They soak for a few days to a few weeks each time.

After that, I clean the chain in an acetone bath.
All I gotta say is WOW!!
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [Grahamsc] [ In reply to ]
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Grahamsc wrote:
Before soaking chain in wax is it recommended to soak the chain first in a degreaser? Diesel, paint thinner, gas etc. to get the wet grease and gunk off?

No, not at all. The paraffin itself, when in liquid phase, is a solvent. All the greases and any other goo will easily dissolve away and the paraffin will soak into all the areas it needs to go. Simple swirling is all that's needed. Triathletes, being intensely compulsive as we are, tend to overthink and overdo this.

When I'm waxing a chain that hasn't been waxed before, for a friend or one of the neighborhood kids, I find that there is quite a lot of grit, because the grease/oil/whatever is uniquely well suited to attracting these contaminants and keeping them on the chain. But all this stuff sinks in the liquid and settles to the bottom of the pan, where it stays when you pull the chain out to drip and cool. Chains that have been waxed before and are now being rewaxed tend to be very very clean (by normal bicycle standards).

Note that I am using "wax" and "paraffin" interchangeably, as is normal in bicycle parlance.
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [Steve B] [ In reply to ]
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same. I go straight from the box to the crock pot.
wipe with a dry rag until it comes off fairly clean before I rewax.
it is really handy if you take a spoke and bend a loop like the letter "p" into it on the hooked end. leave it open at the hook (bent end, so it is not in contact with the long section of the spoke) Thread the chain and master links onto it and then close the hook onto the rest of the spoke so the chain and links can't fall off. That way you don't loose the links and you can swirly it to your heart's content.

Andy Tetmeyer (I work at HED)

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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [andy tetmeyer] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you all for the advice and tips. Andy sorry to derail your ? I've switched from wd40 to squirt. Squirt works fairly well and doesn't tend to collect as much dirt and grime. I hit my chain about 1x/month if I remember. Sometime several months go by although it depends if I clean it or get caught in the rain.
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Re: Non-wax chain lube and care [pistuo] [ In reply to ]
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