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Re: Dahmer (Netflix) [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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They de-emphasized the showing of the violence for the most part. You’d hear power tools whirring, people screaming, and such but they didn’t really show the murders per se. They did show some aftermath like severed heads in his fridge and dead bodies lying around his apartment. It wasn’t like watching Hostel.

Probably the most violence shown was when Dahmer got beat to death in prison. They pretty much showed the entirety of that.

Spoiler!!!! ;)
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Re: Dahmer (Netflix) [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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I appreciate that perspective and that was my fist impression as well. At the same time, I appreciate that there is more than one way to tell a story that is part of our historical record, and drama tends to be the genre we’re most inclined to as information consumers. I was put off by the first episode but the treatment on the whole was, in my view, informative, sympathetic and respectful to the victims. Nothing felt gratuitous or unnecessary, and in fact most of the sexual deviancy and torture was not included visually.

I think it’s in large part the recency of the tragedy that makes it feel inappropriate for dramatization, for those who feel that way about it. I think of Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, endless treatments of Jack the Ripper and other examples of gruesome historical events told in dramatic treatment and few if anyone take exception.

I took away a better understanding of him as a person, his family dynamics, the context in which these murders happened and the way it affected victims’ families, their community and society at large. It did not glorify Dahmer or use his crimes for cheap thrills. So in terms of telling the story in this media format, I think they got it mostly right.


Regardless of what I think of motives behind the series, I appreciate your response

The GMAN wrote:
They de-emphasized the showing of the violence for the most part. You’d hear power tools whirring, people screaming, and such but they didn’t really show the murders per se. They did show some aftermath like severed heads in his fridge and dead bodies lying around his apartment. It wasn’t like watching Hostel.

Probably the most violence shown was when Dahmer got beat to death in prison. They pretty much showed the entirety of that.


Even with that, the problem I have with shows like this is that it invariably is centered on the life of a psychopath who is known only for the deviant and violent ways by which he unleashed his psychopathy on society. The psychopath's name is literally the name of the show. I also really couldn't care less to learn about traumas he received in his formative years. Most victims carry on without wondering how they can "pay it forward" with their own acts of psychopathy.

Upthread, dramatization of historical figures or events were mentioned, and I think it's worth differentiating between psychopaths known for other things and psychopaths known only for their deviance. Stalin was a psychopath despot, as were Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. But each was also historically important for reasons beyond the actual murderous acts inflicted, not to mention that they all had their henchmen carrying out the actual cruel and violent deeds.

The same isn't true of Dahmer here. He alone was responsible for the reprehensible acts, and his infamy rests squarely on his psychopathic deviance.

I think the following from post #24 above was spot on

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Why not give biopics to torturers in Bagdad, Juarez, occupied Ukraine? Aren't their lives complex and compelling too?

my take is don't put human wreckage who did nothing noteworthy except dismember people in the spotlight
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Re: Dahmer (Netflix) [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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I read a poem National Poetry Day this week called Puerto Rican Obituary. It was very sad, and I didn’t like it. It made me unhappy, but it was probably worthwhile because it put new ideas in my head.

Here’s another poem about another tragedy. I like this one a lot more because it is new in many ways and asks my mind do some work (that work produces happy feelings in my brain):



“Entertainment value” is a phrase that means something akin to interest, diversion, amusement, recreation, distraction, pleasure.

Pain and suffering gives me pain and suffering. I don’t enjoy it on any level. I have no plan to watch this Dahmer show because I already know the basic story of pain and suffering. I heard about the young black man in Dahmer’s custody who police didn’t save. That’s excruciating pain and suffering.

There is a cost-benefit analysis I can do for depictions of pain and suffering. If there is nothing worthwhile to create a balance or net positive, I avoid depictions of pain and suffering. If there is no balance or a net positive, then depictions of pain and suffering appear to me to be exploitive.

So I think this is where I stand on this show.
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Re: Dahmer (Netflix) [Velocibuddha] [ In reply to ]
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It is true that Dahmer was a tragic, pathetic, demented individual. We might want to seem him extract some vengeance against the world as a whole.

But Dahmer didn't harm the world!!
Instead, Dahmer managed to find victims that were even more sad and pathetic than Dahmer himself.


I've not seen the show, but I find these statements interesting.

Please correct me if I misunderstand anything, but wasn't Dahmer straight up crazy? Yes, I know, that's an over simplification. My point being that we often look at crazy people and try to rationalize the reasons they do things through the lens of a sane person. Was it "vengeance on the world," or was it, "boy, wouldn't it be cool to have a severed head in my refrigerator......because I'm crazy?"

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Re: Dahmer (Netflix) [Barks&Purrs] [ In reply to ]
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I tend to fall somewhere in between. Torture porn movies are like fart jokes to me, in that I just don’t understand at a cognitive level how it entertains a human being’s mind. It’s reflexively repulsive and not in a stimulating way, like a traditional horror movie tends to be. I cannot derive any value from seeing people suffering unless there’s some larger contextual end goal, and with this program that was to get a better understanding of a person and events that loomed large in my youth, as a real life boogeyman who was targeting people generally my age.

I didn’t know where it happened, how many victims, how badly the police handled the situation(s) or how his family dynamic may have played into it. I’m a curious person and understanding how the mind works, and breaks, interests me.

Something that I always think about in these types of senseless human tragedies is the suffering of the killers’ families. They’re victims who suffer in silence, grieving and tortured for the rest of their days. No one cries with them or for them and they suffer endlessly in ways we can’t imagine. This program put a spotlight on the relationship with his father and his endless and complicated love for his child and the trauma he endured. It’s heartbreaking, the depths of despair. Unimaginable to me how someone goes on living knowing their child caused so much pain and suffering and the weight of the belief that he may have been partly responsible, or at least capable of preventing it, but didn’t.

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: Dahmer (Netflix) [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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that's solid reflection, thanks

my distaste would probably shift if the marketing/promotion was less foregrounded on Dahmer and more on his dad or his (other) victims.

it's weird -- there was another Netflix series recently on Charles Sobraj (The Serpent) and I loved that.

No rhyme or reason apart from not feeling as close (in time) to the victims, and he didn't kill them as awfully.
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Re: Dahmer (Netflix) [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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You highlight the suffering of the killers’ families in these types of senseless human tragedies. I think that’s a really interesting angle.

My counselor went to the same church as the parents of the Poway synagogue shooter. She said those parents had a very hard time and the church embraced them. I think we were talking about secondary trauma.

Secondary trauma might happen when individuals are exposed to people who have been traumatized themselves, disturbing descriptions of traumatic events, or others inflicting cruelty on one another. Kind of like this show itself! Look, we made a circle!

We all have different sensibilities. I’m at a good level of exposure to pain and suffering without this show. I really prefer comedy for my leisure time. Speaking of which, my TikTok algorithm sucks these days. I don’t have anything good to add to the TikTok thread. Dang it!!
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Re: Dahmer (Netflix) [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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Just finished the series. This guy was a real jerk!
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Re: Dahmer (Netflix) [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Looking forward to watch it this weekend. Hopefully all the issues with the big fish games customer service https://big-fish-games.pissedconsumer.com/customer-service.html will be sorted by then. We have a problems on most our devices and streaming is not possible at the moment. On the other hand it is good thing that kids finally spend some time talking to each other instead of staring at their tvs.
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Re: Dahmer (Netflix) [MitchMcCrown] [ In reply to ]
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started it last night

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Re: Dahmer (Netflix) [Dr. Tigerchik] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Dahmer (Netflix) [RINO Rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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lol (kinda)

I've watched nearly all of it. So gruesome and disturbing yet I had to watch most of it (I have 1.5 episodes left, and I might not finish it - happy to know he landed in jail, and I saw the spoiler above)

That show gave me nightmares

maybe she's born with it, maybe it's chlorine
If you're injured and need some sympathy, PM me and I'm very happy to write back.
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Re: Dahmer (Netflix) [RINO Rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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"taste 5 guys pic" dont share that on facebook.... their AI will ban you.
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