Check out ZDoggMD's youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/...Rz1N_T-rnSkbaAH_TFAw

He's got dozens of good videos on the virus/vax/etc. that explore all kinds of different aspects of the pandemic.

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"100% of the people who confuse correlation and causation end up dying."

There is little hope to change the minds of those who are in that position with logic and reason. Perhaps even no hope.

Education or the right website or video is not the issue for the willfully ignorant. If they were legitimately intellectually curious or on the fence or open to understanding, they would be easily swayed by the overwhelming data in favor of vaccination.

Short of them having a personal emotional experience that helps them see the light, I believe they are lost.

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Suffer Well.

Education or the right website or video is not the issue for the willfully ignorant.
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I concur. One of them actually started this conversation and requested info. After a maddening conversation, summarized in the OP, they asked for vids/ links that would help them 'research' further. They remembered the video that I shared after Francois posted it to us and wanted to re-watch. I honestly think that the only way they'll be convinced is to have it forced upon them wither through our workplace or by venue that will deny them entry. Then, I'll get to hear them bitch about it to anyone who will listen to the injustices.

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Take a short break from ST and read my blog:
http://tri-banter.blogspot.com/

The answer is to ask JHarris what it will take for him to get vaccinated.

Check out the youtube channel drbeen. (He's been posting about 10 years, first, it appears, for med students, and lately more for the lay public.)

There's a video that came out about a week ago that starts with the title "Vascular..." which discusses the impact of the binding of a spike protein (the coat of the virus) with the ACE2 receptor of the endothelial cells (the cells that control vasodilation, i.e., the ones that control how much blood flows to different parts of the body.) (I didn't know the terms before watching the video. His explanations and graphics are unbelievably helpful.) (I also looked up the embryonic development of the blood vessels and found that the endothelial cells are put down first and then the blood vessels are formed where the endothelial cells are, and not vice versa.) The upshot is that just this binding (with no entry of the virus) can result in the cell's death.

The study that is reported on is what I would call "beautiful science" and was reported in the literature only in the last month. (UCSD and Salk Institute)

He says (although I don't recall that he stated by what mechanism) that the vaccine helps prevent the conjoining of the spike protein to the ACE2 receptor. Since all the coronaviruses have a "spiky" coat, this should help with any of the infections caused by these viruses, including (I believe) influenza and (many cases of) the common cold, as well as (obviously) Covid-19.

I will be using it to try to convince an anti-vax friend (who, along with her family, contracted Covid-19 with a mild case) that they should get the vaccine.

I should mention that one of her arguments against it is, if the vaccine against influenza is such a crapshoot, why should she think that this one will work? The vaccine program must do more to address that type of question, which I consider to be well thought out. (...not to mention, "I've already had it, so why?") (Both have reasoned responses.)

Finally, the title I'm seeing on this thread is "Articles/Vids to help convince the non-Anti-Vax crowd". If the "Anti-Vax crowd" are the people who don't want to get the vaccine, aren't the "non-Anti-Vax crowd" the people who WANT people to get the vaccine? So either I just gave a bad answer in relation to the title of the thread, or the title of the thread should have the "non-" removed.

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Tri or tri not; this is no du. (--- with apologies to Yoda.) Slow triathlete who survived Huntsville, Lelystadt, Colmar, Fontanil, and
Szekesfehervar/Lake Velence. Arbor hydration specialist in a kid's park in Monterrey 4 times in the 1990s (and in the pits in 1994).

Makes no sense. Trump pushed Operation Warpspeed to get the vaccines developed and distributed quickly. You would think the Trumpers would want the vaccine just because of his involvement.

My Trumpanzee friend, who works for Pfizer, rants about this being about "control" and that it's "not a vaccine it's a shot" and basically anything else that comes out of Fucker Carlson's mouth. She won't get the vaccine because <insert every right wingnut talking point>. She is angry at her husband who got it because he is apparently a sheep. After he got his second shot, he told me she bitched at him that "now you have your talisman like all your friends"...

Right...

Sigh... and I have to see her tonight.

It's getting harder and harder to be her friend because she is so off the deep end crazy lunatic. But her husband is one of my best friends and he isn't crazy and I just have to deal with it.

You and I know that. Most people know that. There are a lot of anti-vaxers/vaccine hesitant people "who want more research."

The best articles to send to a friend would be articles that previously moved vaccine hesitant people.

tgrunnin wrote:

Makes no sense. Trump pushed Operation Warpspeed to get the vaccines developed and distributed quickly. You would think the Trumpers would want the vaccine just because of his involvement.

Have you looked at the CDC site and what demographics are on the low end of vaccinations. Perhaps you should and then draw conclusions.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demographic

But now Fox has declared war against the vaccine, because if people stop dying, it will make Biden look good.

The only thing to do now is to make sure it's legal to deny people doing things if not vaccinated. Want to go to work? Get vaccinated. Same for flights, cruises, movies, sports, theater doesn't affect these knuckle daggers, public transportation and schools.

I'm retired, but if I was still working and had people working for me who didn't get vaccinated, I'd lay them off!

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I recently moved south to Trumpistan, VA, and the COVID patients in my ICU at this point are people who either chose not to vaccinate, or in two cases, picked it up shortly after the first shot. Last week we withdrew life support on a woman, a school librarian, who opted out against her husband's protest. I had no less than five meetings with him and their sons before she died.

The woman laying in bed roughly fifty feet from me as I type is 10 days post-tracheostomy after 15 days on the vent, awaiting transfer to an LTACH facility, where if she's lucky she'll step down to a rehab facility and hopefully someday come off the vent. She's got connections to some of the ICU staff here and prior to her illness made it known that she thought COVID was a liberal conspiracy and that only suckers would take the government shot. I'll be shocked if she ever comes off the vent, but she'll likely survive in one state of being or another.

You would think after a year plus and a half million deaths that everyone by now would know someone with severe enough illness to scare them into thinking straight. In my weaker moments I felt inclined to hang a vaccine poster outside of her room, but my job is to get her healthy, not prove a point, which I'm guessing she's probably changed her thinking on anyway.

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

Yes, but then Biden became president and made some public goals about vaccinations, so then... "vaccines bad."

Why do you think Trump has not urged Americans to get vaccinated since he left office?

The answer is "Hookers and Blow".

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

There's a video that came out about a week ago that starts with the title "Vascular.
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If this is the one you're talking about, I've got it running now. Thanks for this channel. (Sadly, I suspect that the strong accent and the technical talk will be a turnoffs for my target audience. I, however, am liking this guy.)

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Take a short break from ST and read my blog:
http://tri-banter.blogspot.com/

Both of my brothers think that the goverment(s) are lying to us about Covid numbers. It's not that bad says one. "I went to the emergency room and nobody was there". Yeah, they keep all the Covid patients in Emerg...

The other doesn't believe that vaccines work. And that the government is lying to us about numbers.

Both believe that science experts are lying to us.

There is no convincing them. I have given up.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Because he wants more of his voters to die?

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

So you're trying to blame black people for low vaccine take up. Cool, cool.

What's your excuse for 94% white Wyoming? Or how about 97% white West Virginia?

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

From what I've read (second-hand accounts), many never change their mind. They'll deny it exists right until they die.

Current headline link on Foxnews.com: "CDC says fully vaccinated people can resume most activities without mask, but many questions remain."

But then when you follow the link there are no actual questions raised. It's just clickbait.

Definitely not. There is a lot of blame being placed but not by me. I just asked if anyone looked at the data being provided by the cdc before blaming people. I assume everyone did. I was just curious.

If you do respond to me. Please stick to the question I asked. Nothing more. I’m not interested in the rest of the blame game.