If you're not interested in having a massive water tank on the back of your bike, then cross the Specialized off your list.

I actually like the new Shiv. Alas, my wallet does not.

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I recently bought an S-works shiv- it's amazing. No regrets at all, and highly recommend.

There's lots of info and I did my review on the Shiv disc thread.

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...IS_HERE_P6756503-31/

One great thing my bike fitter does in situations like this is comparing the frame sizes, angles, etc. to give you some advice about which bike might be a better choice for your anatomy. If you have access to someone who can give you advice based on your measurements/fit data like this, I'd recommend it. Been a huge help to me personally!

The Shiv is a hideous monstrosity. That rear draft box...smh...

It's all subjective really. I think it looks amazing

I might be mistaken, but I think the fit you're talking about is the Retul fit? My coach recommended it but I ended up buying the new Scott Plasma 6 Premium before I did; the Scott has a wide range of adjustability and I have a great fit on it so now worries.

But if you're looking at a new bike completely, yes, I would definitely get a Retul fit for a manufacturer/brand recommendation.

Different strokes for different folks.

Why do you recommend a Retul fit?

There are a couple of threads covering this over the last few weeks. There are also several Official fit help threads on this board regarding QR, Cervelo and others that I can't remember off the top of my head. Probably worth scrolling through to find those various threads

Additionally if you're not 100% dialed in or happy with your fit, my recommendation would be get a fit first from someone who does a lot of tri fits, then buy the bike that fits your coordinates instead of trying to force the bike into a box it may not readily go

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+1 on getting the fit first, then get the bike that fits you in the price range that also fits you. I had 5 bikes on my wish list before I bought my bike and had a good deal on one of them and almost pulled the trigger. Thank God I didn't do that. I found out when I went to the fitter that 3 of the 5 wouldn't fit me.

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"see the world as it is not as you want it to be"

I think that's a bit like saying 'definitely get your car serviced by a guy with Snap-On tools'.
I'd prefer the guy to know HOW to service my cat correctly, as much as whether his tools are Snap On, Britool, King Dick or what ever.

handling on the Shiv -> you have a huge pendulum of a water tank strapped to the rear of the frame.

speed on the Shiv -> the front fork design requires air to be forced through two narrow channels. now think about how they tell you to have your fingers slightly apart while swimming because it increases the resistance/ surface area of your hand.

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Ummm, OK..... ;-)

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Your explanation on aerodynamics is not even close to how air and water are different from each other and how they act......

Jeroen

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I'm no physicist, but I was thinking the same thing ;-)

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I just ordered a PRFour disc earlier this week. And while it hasn't arrived yet, and I'm unable to make any meaningful contribution whatsoever to your question, I just wanted to say I'M SO FUCKING EXCITED ABOUT IT!!!! Haha.

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You're really overestimating how much this "pendulum" can move left and right in such a narrow tank. In comparison, it's far worse to have a half full BTA bottle which is higher up, in front of the steering axis, and gives the water more room to move left and right.