What about Velotec for around $120?

I am indifferent to the brands per say. Just interested to see if there are “real” watt saves and what are they typically if any between the big brands and the retail orientated brands

Pretty sure it comes down to how it fits and how much wrinkling there is.

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Strava

^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^

Having tested a ton of suits in the tunnel I can tell you vs no shirt or a 2 piece sleeveless there is usually significant savings going to a sleeved suit.

Go search through my posts and you'll find #'s for many of the suits on the market. Or at least if not #s enough data to make a very informed decision for purchase

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Brian Stover USAT LII
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Thanks brian I spent 3 hours traveling through the posts this mornin and found a lot of stuff around helmets and position. Those 3 hours were spent just reading the posts and educating myself LOL! 😂😂
Generally speaking are these high end suits typically 5-10watts better than others or more like 1-3watts or none?

It’s even more complicated than that as your position come into play as well. This is why it’s so dependant on you, the rider.

I can recall differences as much as 13w between sleeveless and sleeved. I've also seen pretty significant differences in savings between suits. Sometimes it's 0w sometimes it's 8w between high end suits. You can have 2 people in to test, have them try the exact same suit and get drastically different drag reductions. As someone said it's fit, fit, fit. If I were buying suits and not testing I'd buy 2-3, keep the tags on, try them on (make sure you're not sweating in the suits), put my TT bike on the trainer and see how the suits shaped up around the shoulders/upper arms/lower back areas. I'd keep the one that fit the best, send the other suits back.

Having tested some suits recently (Huub, Spider 1, Spider 2, Roka Gen II) the Huub was 1 size too big so didn't do great, not horrible but not great. I suspect it's a fast suit just based on the drag reduction from 0 to -10yaw.

The Kiwami Spider 1 was ~ 4-5w slower at zero and ~ 6w slower at -10yaw then the Spider 2 & Roka suits. That's a pretty significant difference between 1st & 2nd generation suits even though the first gen Spider 1 for most people is still a very fast suit.

The Roka suit was ~1.25w faster at 0 and the Kiwami was ~ 1w faster at -10 yaw.

I went with the Kiwami Spider 2 suit.

I've been using Kiwami since, well, at least the last 7 seasons of racing and I have a long standing relationship with them from testing their kit pre Spider then advising on the Spider 1 design. I'm not going to use something significantly slower. Had something been 2-3 or more watts faster I'd be in something else. For next season I'll stick with the Kiwami.

Any more questions just ask.

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Brian Stover USAT LII
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Cheers thanks ‘