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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [garwood] [ In reply to ]
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Well, I guess I didn't state my point that well. In Friel's Triathlete Training Bible he talks about strength training for triathletes.

For the Bike he says: Squats and Deadlifts.

To increase your run power he discusses the Power Clean and Power Step Ups. Why the C+J, I suppose you don't need to do the jerk portion. However, my point here is that you shouldn't do the power clean (a segmented portion of a clean) if you haven't learned the clean and can do it well.

This is a problem earlier on with high school athletes (at least it was when I was in high school) because the Power Clean is used in football a bunch, but strength coaches weren't teaching the full movement. Which is why I stated to learn and do the full movement first.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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TheStroBro wrote:
I just like being strong...since I'm never gonna be really fast.

I want to be strong and fast. Really fast.

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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]
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Deadlift
Squat
Bench press
Overhead press
Pull ups
If you have time for some assistance exercises, go for some unilateral exercises like single leg Romanian deadlifts, single leg squats, etc.
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [TIT] [ In reply to ]
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TIT wrote:
Deadlift
Squat
Bench press
Overhead press
Pull ups
If you have time for some assistance exercises, go for some unilateral exercises like single leg Romanian deadlifts, single leg squats, etc.

Agree. AKA Stronglifts 5 x 5.
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [Dr_Cupcake] [ In reply to ]
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This. Jane Fonda Hip Complex is a life saver for runners.
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [plant_based] [ In reply to ]
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I was just saying to exclude core only exercises from this conversation. I know how crucial they are to staying in area, swimming on plane, running with good form. They need to be done year round.

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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]
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These aren't ones that everyone should do all of the time. They are ones that everyone should be able to do. Being able to do these exercises demonstrates a mobile body free of range of motion problems.

IMO, being able to move safely is more important than being strong. The whole point of strength training is being able to move smoothly and without encumbrances.

#1. A 40 M sprint.

If you can't sprint, your muscles aren't engaging well. Even IM triathletes should be able to sprint. Triathletes don't need to move off the line like usain Bolt. However, a good sprint is indicative of a healthy mobile body that can withstand hard training.

#2. Jumps

You need to able to jump. Being able to jump is indicative of well functioning coordinate muscles. Muscle recruitment is important. Jump high. No need for boxes.

#3. Full squat barefoot. Both feet at 90 degrees to the body. Straight back.

If you can do this exercise, you have mobile ankles and hips. If you can't, you are probably leaving something on the table with your run ability. There is a video of world steeple chase silver medalist, emma coburn, doing these on one leg.

#4 A pullup

Doing a pullup without cheating means you have good shoulder range of motion and strength. Chin above bar on up part. Full arm extension on down part.

#5. A pushup.

Core stable and elbows next to the body. You'd be surprised how few pushups you can do if you don't cheat. Most endurance athletes can barely do a real pushup either because of should issues or lack of strength.
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [TriByran] [ In reply to ]
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TriByran wrote:
1. Deadlifts yes. I recommended a hex/trap bar setup at it reduces strain on the lower back and allows higher loads. It’s also been shown in research to promote greater running economy
2. Squats - back and overhead are great. Feet pointed forward not out. Medium stance down to parallel no deeper required.
3. Pull ups. Wide and narrow.

4. Kettle bell snatches. Great for building core and shoulders. Use a medium weight and explode from the low squat position with the bell just inside the opposite foot (so right hand snatch from inside left foot to over right shoulder)
5. Bird-dog plank with opposite leg and arm reach. Hold this position for 20 seconds 3x on each side.

Done

*IF* said person has the requisite shoulder mobility for an overhead squats. I would recommend either KB racked squats (if you have access to KB's) or a basic standard goblet squat. Both are much more spine friendly and reduce the systemic stress on the body. While you can get plenty of benefit of an overhead or back squat, you can greatly reduce the risk while maintaining the reward with KB racked or goblet squats.

I simply say that with over a decade of experience as a strength coach and knowing the movement capacity of triathletes for these movements without being coached up on their movement patterns beforehand.
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [xcskier66] [ In reply to ]
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xcskier66 wrote:
#2. Jumps

You need to able to jump. Being able to jump is indicative of well functioning coordinate muscles. Muscle recruitment is important. Jump high. No need for boxes.


This is my favorite self-deprecating tri-joke:

Me: "Hey! Wanna see a triathlete jump?!!!"
Them: "OK, Sure!!!"

< just stand there >

Me: "Wanna see it again?!!!"

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"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [garwood] [ In reply to ]
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garwood wrote:
C&J why? Complex lift leave it to Olympic Lifters.

I'd agree. I'm two years in with regular oly coaching, and am still learning the finer points. A n00b clean and jerk is horrifying to watch.

That said if you do have the proper instruction and technique, it's fun, and it's great at stability, coordination, covering a huge % of muscles.
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [hadukla] [ In reply to ]
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hadukla wrote:
TriByran wrote:
1. Deadlifts yes. I recommended a hex/trap bar setup at it reduces strain on the lower back and allows higher loads. It’s also been shown in research to promote greater running economy


And thanks to this thread, TJP_SBR pointed out that our friends from nike research have found that dropping the bar at the top of the movement is more beneficial to runners.

Ding ding ding ding.

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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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I would agree and say that goes with many of these movements/lifts (especially any olympic lifts). Triathletes are not always known to be great movers and many of these lifts demand a high competency of movement quality so the rewards of all these lefts drops as the quality of movement is diminished.
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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Hang cleans are fine for most. Don't need to pull all the way from the ground. Still get a good return on power production and learning to produce power from the ground.
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [hadukla] [ In reply to ]
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hadukla wrote:
TriByran wrote:
1. Deadlifts yes. I recommended a hex/trap bar setup at it reduces strain on the lower back and allows higher loads. It’s also been shown in research to promote greater running economy

And thanks to this thread, TJP_SBR pointed out that our friends from nike research have found that dropping the bar at the top of the movement is more beneficial to runners.

I’ve decided the extra mass by not dropping the weights is actually less than the weight of a thousand stares watching the meathead with the skinny triathlete frame throwing weights around the gym, lol
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]
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A lot of good movements noted already. Consider dumb bell shoulder presses (or anything that improves deltoid strength). It will improve your swim strength (make you faster and get you to T1 in lower HR zone).
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [jt10000] [ In reply to ]
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Where did the idea that the leg press isn’t effective come from? For cycling, it’s useful because you can build power where it counts without all the stabilization needed for a heavy squat. I would still pair the leg press with real squats, but I wouldn’t discount it for not using the whole body, that is sort of the point isn’t it?
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [Pathlete] [ In reply to ]
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Pathlete wrote:
A lot of good movements noted already. Consider dumb bell shoulder presses (or anything that improves deltoid strength). It will improve your swim strength (make you faster and get you to T1 in lower HR zone).

I think arnold presses (single and both arms) are superior to shoulder presses for muscle development, if you had to pick one.

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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [commendatore] [ In reply to ]
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It's not that it isn't effective, it just has less bang for your buck compared to squats.

Squats are one of the best core exercises you can do based on the trunk stability requirements through dynamic range of motion. Why would you want to take that portion out?

Squats allow you to work on better ankle and hip mobility as well versus a leg press which is very passive compared to squatting.

Why would you pair a leg press with a squat? IMO that isn't very efficient use of energy or time. If you are going to pair a squat I would rather do a movement that does not directly fatigue the legs (anti-extension/rotation core exercise, mobility, etc) so you can maximize power and muscular recruitment when you squat.
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [907Tri] [ In reply to ]
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1. Squats
2. Deadlifts
3. Chins - wide, with overhand grip
4. Lunges - with weights in hands
5. Kettlebell swings
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [DKMNTRI] [ In reply to ]
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1) Kettlebell Swing.
-same hinge pattern as the deadlift, but can be trained explosively and without the stress of the eccentric portion (very useful for avoiding adding bulk).
-a great alternative to the Olympic lifts (especially with a heavy enough bell). It’s much simpler, less risky, and faster to learn, yet still trains the hips explosively while requiring stabilization from the midsection and upper back.

2)Deadlift. Done reasonably heavy, for minimal reps, in some of the safer variations, not necessarily straight-bar-from-floor.

3)Deep squatting with fairly light weight.
-I’m starting to move away from getting the triathletes I work with to squat “heavy” (“triathlon heavy”) to an extreme range of motion, particularly with a straight barbell. That said, squatting as low as one can go with a much lighter weight—-goblet squats with dumbbells or kettlebells work great—-keeps the lower body resilient and mobile. If the athlete can tense the muscles properly throughout the movement, even light weights can provide a strength benefit.

4)TRX static holds.
-“T,” “I,” “Y,” and Bat Wing holds for a few sets of 30sec (I alternate the particular hold each session) have been quite useful.

5)Upper body calisthenics.
-we don’t go overboard on them, but a few pushups and pull-ups/chin-ups per session go a long way. I try to keep the athlete’s upper body training to a bare minimum, but one pushing and one pulling exercise done regularly seem to help keep the shoulder girdle in good shape to handle swimming load.
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Re: Top 5 lifting exercises that all triathletes should do? [907Tri] [ In reply to ]
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907Tri wrote:
It's not that it isn't effective, it just has less bang for your buck compared to squats.
This.


Or mix is up sometimes. Leg presses on same day I'm doing lunges or single leg work.


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