I don't think Griffen's are worth the money. A vulcan w/Ultegra will cost you $5000. I think you're better off getting a Cervelo, Litespeed, or Kestrel. You'll get a lot more for the money. it's also tough to find Griffen dealers. Griffen does give a sweet discount to military folks.

[reply]I don't think Griffen's are worth the money. A vulcan w/Ultegra will cost you $5000.[/reply]

I won't argure with that, but remember it's Ken's money I'm spending and not my own. :P I myself have a Cervelo P3 and couldn't be happier. I just think the Vulcan is a slick looking machine.

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