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Yikes.

Not that I take anything from the FBI files at face value re: Dr. King, all things considered, but that's quite an accusation.

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Biographer: MLK Watched and Laughed During Rape of Follower

Pulitzer prize winning author and MLK biographer David Garrow has written a disturbing piece in the British magazine Standpoint on his review of secret tapes of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. There have long been stories about MLK’s affairs and even discussions of reexamining his standing in the MeToo period. However, the details in this article are different and deeply unsettling, if true. If not, Garrow has ruined his own celebrated career and defamed an American icon. Either way, one would think that there would a huge amount of coverage of the allegations in the mainstream media. Instead, there has been very little coverage of the story. While Yahoo and MSN ran foreign-based stories, most of the coverage has come from newspapers outside of the United States.

Garrow is a renowned author who won the Pulitzer Prize in 1987 for his book
Bearing the Cross: Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (1986). He is a liberal writer who is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. He has taught at a variety of leading universities and published in newspapers from The New York Times to the New Republic. In other words, this is someone who comes with considerable background and expertise.

Garrow says that he has reviewed the new information and detailed how MLK allegedly discussed extramarital affairs with “40 to 45 women” and reportedly spoke openly about having sex with women working with the NAACP, which Garrow said he called “International Association for the Advancement of P***y-Eaters.” Given the coverage of the infamous Trump campaign statements, that would seem something that many publications would cover but they have not.

Then there is Garrow’s recounting of what he describes as a rape committed with MLK’s support. The FBI had placed two transmitters in lamps in MLK’s hotel room, according to
The Sunday Times. In the room at the Willard was King’s friend, Logan Kearse, the pastor of Baltimore’s Cornerstone Baptist church. Garrow says that the two discussed “which women among the parishioners would be suitable for natural and unnatural sex acts.” He says that the FBI report says that “When one of the women protested that she did not approve, the Baptist minister immediately and forcefully raped her” with King looking on and laughing and even offering advice.

The agents also reported that King engaged in orgies in the hotel room. There is also the account of a prostitute involved in one such alleged orgy.

Garrow even tracked down an alleged daughter of King in Los Angeles though neither the mother nor child would speak with him.

There is no question that the FBI was hostile to MLK and J. Edgar Hoover viewed him as a threat. For that reason, I would not be inclined to simply accept a 302 form or internal memo on its face value. There is also the question of why the FBI would sit next door to a rape scene and not take any action. However, this is news either way. If it is false, it is an elaborate effort to frame MLK and a failure by a leading MLK biographer. If true, it means that an American hero was hiding a despicable and contempt-worthy life. So why the limited coverage? These files are now available for review.


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I’m inclined to call BS on this since Hoover had such a hard on for MLK that Hoover would have used this to totally destroy King. No way Hoover would have sat on this without action. Unless there was some 4D chess game he was playing that I don’t see.

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I believe the author heard tapes that made the claim. There's no reason for him to torpedo his credibility. I'm also highly skeptical of anything the Bureau claimed about Dr. King. Philandering is vastly different from condoning rape; an inclination for the former says noting about condoning the latter, however a man in that position of stature and power, with a history of pretty much having his way with any woman he wants, might be more inclined to such behavior. But we'll likely never know.

So many deeply flawed heroes, far more than not.

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Re: MLK Jr and rape [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
I’m inclined to call BS on this since Hoover had such a hard on for MLK that Hoover would have used this to totally destroy King. No way Hoover would have sat on this without action. Unless there was some 4D chess game he was playing that I don’t see.

How could Hoover have used it? If the women don't talk or press charges, will the FBI admit to it's spying campaign?

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I'll call fake news until we hear what Mr. King has to say about this.

Oh right, he's dead and can't defend himself.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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sphere wrote:
So many deeply flawed heroes, far more than not.

Humans are flawed. What's the expression? Never meet your heroes, you'll only be disappointed.

I don't have a problem believing that he had many affairs. If the rape story is true then the FBI just sat there and did nothing about it. Awesome.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: MLK Jr and rape [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Or an assassins bullet preempted Hoover from having to use the dirt he collected illegally. The illegality of collection could be another reason. Hoover was not a nice man.
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I think it's pretty well accepted that he had serial or overlapping affairs. For the average guy, that's a reputation death sentence. For Dr. King, it barely registers a blip. I think that's partly why this report will go nowhere. It's a little easier to believe of a serial philanderer than of a devoted husband and father, and who really wants to meet their hero on those terms.

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BLeP wrote:

Humans are flawed. What's the expression? Never meet your heroes, you'll only be disappointed.

Yep, I enjoy history. One thing I find, at least in the US is we romanticize our heros almost too much. People often forget the flaws of our heros and realize they are just people.

A lot of times when I read biographies or history books I sit back and say something like "He was a great president but terrible father." Or "How did that guy function with that much alcohol in his system".

Often the flaw is the man is a womanizer.
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sphere wrote:
I think it's pretty well accepted that he had serial or overlapping affairs. For the average guy, that's a reputation death sentence. For Dr. King, it barely registers a blip. I think that's partly why this report will go nowhere. It's a little easier to believe of a serial philanderer than of a devoted husband and father, and who really wants to meet their hero on those terms.

It's also easy to overlook personal flaws like that when you take into account all the good that he did.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Kings ideals are being rejected by today’s left and it’s becoming obvious.

This is just the beginning of the sullying of his legacy. It will take at least a generation but King may one day be seen as a disgrace.

Which is sad.

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sphere wrote:
There is also the question of why the FBI would sit next door to a rape scene and not take any action.

A recorded rape in its entirety is more valuable as blackmail material than one interrupted. Maybe the recorders thought MLK would join in.

also, the idea that Hoover's chosen boys in particular would have any compunctions about female followers getting raped seems overly idealistic.
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     I read somewhere in the last few days that MLK was asked to drop his support from the Communist Party in America, refused to do so, and that was when he started being monitored (in this case the word spying is often used) more closely. Could be that all the other sex stuff was not part of their charge...or what Kiki said, and the FBI guys just said "meh".
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BLeP wrote:
I'll call fake news until we hear what Mr. King has to say about this.

Oh right, he's dead and can't defend himself.

Same with Hitler, innocent until proven guilty.

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gofigure wrote:
Or an assassins bullet preempted Hoover from having to use the dirt he collected illegally. The illegality of collection could be another reason. Hoover was not a nice man.

Pretty sure the collection was legal. The wiretapping was authorized by the Attorney General at the time, RFK.

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spot wrote:
gofigure wrote:
Or an assassins bullet preempted Hoover from having to use the dirt he collected illegally. The illegality of collection could be another reason. Hoover was not a nice man.


Pretty sure the collection was legal. The wiretapping was authorized by the Attorney General at the time, RFK.

I am off in search of legality, yea or nay, wrt all things Jay Edgar Hoover. your "pretty sure" and my naturally suspicious nature may yet come to agreement. That he abused power as a matter of course and was feared by many who had reason to think Hoover had the goods on them is accepted.
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gofigure wrote:
spot wrote:
gofigure wrote:
Or an assassins bullet preempted Hoover from having to use the dirt he collected illegally. The illegality of collection could be another reason. Hoover was not a nice man.


Pretty sure the collection was legal. The wiretapping was authorized by the Attorney General at the time, RFK.


I am off in search of legality, yea or nay, wrt all things Jay Edgar Hoover. your "pretty sure" and my naturally suspicious nature may yet come to agreement. That he abused power as a matter of course and was feared by many who had reason to think Hoover had the goods on them is accepted.

I'm no Hoover fan, that's for sure. There's no doubt that he abused his power. But, the wiretap on MLK was approved in writing by RFK on Nov 8, 1963.

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Re: MLK Jr and rape [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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I think the accusation is very likely true. His close friend and colleague Ralph Abernathy wrote a book a few years ago that exposed MLK's womanizing. Normally the media and the left love to go after Christian ministers who behave hypocritically but MLK gets a pass. This story will also be ignored by the US mainstream media. He's a sacred cow.
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