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Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence...
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... and let an innocent man go to jail for years (decades even), what should the consequences be? To further define the hypothetical, let's say the officer works for the DEA and he's investigating a large drug syndicate and local officers arrest John Smith for a drug-related murder. The DEA agent knows that one of the syndicate members he's investigating committed the murder and has proof that would be exculpatory for John Smith but would compromise his investigation.

Does the DEA agent have an obligation to provide the proof to the local law enforcement officers or the defendant? Regardless of the statute, does the agent have a moral responsibility? If the DEA agent lets John Smith go to jail for years, what should the consequences be for said agent?
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Re: Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence... [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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I would say yes to your "hypothetical" questions but with a hitch/caveat.

The law is relatively clear that it's the prosecutor's responsibility to disclose exculpatory evidence. I'm to assume the prosecutor in this case was unaware of the Agent's knowledge and information. If so, it can't be the prosecutor's fault because they don't know what they don't know. That stated, there have been recent civil cases and rulings against law enforcement officials having knowledge of exculpatory evidence and withholding it. It's definitely not seen as criminal.

Morally??? I'm not sure how someone can let an innocent person (at least innocent of murder in this case) rot in prison for something the person didn't do.

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Re: Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence... [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Would that fall under the category of obstruction of justice?

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Re: Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence... [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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not to mention if that state did not stop the death penalty as the time.. the guy might have been executed ? if we are talking about the same hypothetical
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Re: Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence... [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Basically nothing happens to prosecutors for misconduct. Here is a rare instance where a prosecutor did get in trouble for withholding exculpatory evidence and an innocent man sat in prison for 25 years.

The prosecutor got 10 days, served 5. Our justice system apparently does not give a shit about misconduct.

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Re: Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence... [veganerd] [ In reply to ]
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veganerd wrote:
Basically nothing happens to prosecutors for misconduct. Here is a rare instance where a prosecutor did get in trouble for withholding exculpatory evidence and an innocent man sat in prison for 25 years.

The prosecutor got 10 days, served 5. Our justice system apparently does not give a shit about misconduct.

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Re: Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence... [spntrxi] [ In reply to ]
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spntrxi wrote:
not to mention if that state did not stop the death penalty as the time.. the guy might have been executed ? if we are talking about the same hypothetical

Actually I didn't have any case in particular in mind. I just started this thread based on a conversation I overhead at lunch. I was just skimming through the Washington Post and I stumbled on this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...m_term=.4cecdc2f3f01

In 1998, U.S. Attorney for Massachusetts Donald Stern needed someone to look into allegations that the FBI had been protecting mob leaders in Boston. One of them was Irish mob boss James “Whitey” Bulger. This was a big case, involving potential misdeeds by high-ranking federal law enforcement agents. And Stern knew who he wanted. “We didn’t go to Washington with a list,” Stern later told the Associated Press. “We went to Washington and said, ‘We want John Durham to do it.' ” John Durham did it. The new special prosecutor’s work would lead to the overturning of four 1968 murder convictions after he unearthed secret documents revealing an FBI informant had framed the men. By 2002, he secured the conviction of retired FBI agent John Connolly, who had protected Bulger and top associate Stephen “The Rifleman” Flemmi.
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Re: Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence... [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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lawyers: regardless of the criminal angles, what's the civil recourse here? surely if someone wrongly sends you to jail for decades you could absolutely soak them in civil court?

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Re: Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence... [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Why are most people here responding with answers to what should happen to the prosecutor? The prosecutor was never mentioned in the OP.

From the OP's hypothetical situation, we can assume that the Prosecutor is not aware of the information the DEA agent knows.

I think the question is what happens to the DEA agent in this case.
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Re: Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence... [Endo] [ In reply to ]
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yeah, that occurred to me too.

again, not sure what the criminal law is - is there an exception for exculpatory evidence that would otherwise compromise an ongoing investigation? was this a jury trial? can that kind of evidence be entered in camera? is that a thing in the US?

but i'd hope that in civil court the wrongly convicted would have a chance to clobber the DEA agent who sat on exculpatory evidence.

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Re: Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence... [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]
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iron_mike wrote:
lawyers: regardless of the criminal angles, what's the civil recourse here? surely if someone wrongly sends you to jail for decades you could absolutely soak them in civil court?

That likely would be a civil rights lawsuit under 42 U.S.C. sec. 1983 (or, if the LEO is federal, a Bivens lawsuit). The individual would be named as a defendant and probably the agency he/she worked for and the city/county/state would likely be named as well for the "deep pockets" factor.

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Re: Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence... [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Unfortunately we seem to have handed the reigns to the world over to lawyers and there's shit on both sides of that coin both defence and prosecution.

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Re: Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence... [Endo] [ In reply to ]
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Endo wrote:
Why are most people here responding with answers to what should happen to the prosecutor? The prosecutor was never mentioned in the OP.

From the OP's hypothetical situation, we can assume that the Prosecutor is not aware of the information the DEA agent knows.

I think the question is what happens to the DEA agent in this case.

This man is a law enforcement officer and therefore sworn to uphold the law. Purposefully withholding evidence is against the law, correct? If he intentionally subverts the law by withholding evidence he should receive the same sentence the man received when found guilty. Giving the actual guilty party the accused sentence would probably change how some people in law enforcement acted. However, there will always be those who believe they can cheat the system.

Is there a way to legally withhold evidence?

I am not a lawyer so this is all a guess.

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Re: Hypothetical: If a Law Enforcement Officer Purposely Sat on Exculpatory Evidence... [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
spntrxi wrote:
not to mention if that state did not stop the death penalty as the time.. the guy might have been executed ? if we are talking about the same hypothetical

Actually I didn't have any case in particular in mind. I just started this thread based on a conversation I overhead at lunch. I was just skimming through the Washington Post and I stumbled on this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...m_term=.4cecdc2f3f01

In 1998, U.S. Attorney for Massachusetts Donald Stern needed someone to look into allegations that the FBI had been protecting mob leaders in Boston. One of them was Irish mob boss James “Whitey” Bulger. This was a big case, involving potential misdeeds by high-ranking federal law enforcement agents. And Stern knew who he wanted. “We didn’t go to Washington with a list,” Stern later told the Associated Press. “We went to Washington and said, ‘We want John Durham to do it.' ” John Durham did it. The new special prosecutor’s work would lead to the overturning of four 1968 murder convictions after he unearthed secret documents revealing an FBI informant had framed the men. By 2002, he secured the conviction of retired FBI agent John Connolly, who had protected Bulger and top associate Stephen “The Rifleman” Flemmi.
The Director of the FBI back then , One Robert Muller should have been a charged too . 2 of those guys died in prison. Even after the outher two got out the director fought against the $100,000,000 awarded to those guys .
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