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Re: Latest School Shooting [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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On a related note, it looks more and more like kids are taking proactive measures and fighting back. Three kids in two recent school shootings, two of whom lost their lives, undoubtedly saved countless others by charging the attacker and taking them to the ground. That's a new development, if we're to call two data points a trend. I remember Vitus and Ken going round and round about this, that we can't expect kids to confront a shooter absent specific training for such scenarios. From what I've read, these young people had a help-at-any-cost mindset, and stepped up when the situation called for it.

Heroes.


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‘Fight if You Must’: Students Take a Front-Line Role in School Shootings

The two shootings were separated by seven days and more than 1,500 miles, but the details seemed eerily familiar: When a gunman charged into a classroom, a student went barreling toward him, preventing more bloodshed while sacrificing his life.

At the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, it was Riley Howell, 21. At the STEM School in Highlands Ranch, Colo., it was Kendrick Castillo, 18 (edit: and reportedly 3 others) The two young men were hailed as heroes for assuming the unimaginable role of emergency responder to a school shooting.

Their actions, credited by the authorities with saving the lives of classmates, suggest that some members of America’s mass-shooting generation have learned to act — by instinct or intention — as professionals would in the face of deadly tragedy...

Mr. Bialy, the STEM School senior, described the takedown of the gunman as an effort among Mr. Castillo, himself and a third boy he declined to name, citing the boy’s wishes. Mr. Castillo was closest to the shooting suspect, about a foot away, when the suspect walked into their English class.

Once Mr. Castillo got up, so did Mr. Bialy and the other boy. They slammed the gunman against the wall. He fired his pistol once or twice in the skirmish, hitting Mr. Castillo. Students tried to tend to him, but he was unresponsive, Mr. Bialy said.


The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: Latest School Shooting [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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Well it has become apparent that the “authorities” are unwilling or unable to protect them (the police have no legal obligation to protect us anyway).

So this is what we have.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Latest School Shooting [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
Maybe we could just start by allowing the government to fund study of the issue


In 1996, the NRA "persuaded" Congress into stripping the funding for gun violence research. Congress then passed a measure forbidding the CDC to spend funds "to advocate or promote gun control."


That is why people can talk all they want about practical ideas and common sense solutions but as long as groups like the NRA control Congress, it's just talk.

https://www.gunsandammo.com/...ires-on-obama/249799

https://www.investors.com/...nst-media-narrative/

https://www.npr.org/...esearchers-skeptical
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Re: Latest School Shooting [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
Well it has become apparent that the “authorities” are unwilling or unable to protect them (the police have no legal obligation to protect us anyway).

So this is what we have.


Are you implying that the recent apparent increase in school shootings is largely the fault of the cops?

What do you think the cops did wrong on this one?
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Re: Latest School Shooting [dry heat] [ In reply to ]
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dry heat wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
Maybe we could just start by allowing the government to fund study of the issue


In 1996, the NRA "persuaded" Congress into stripping the funding for gun violence research. Congress then passed a measure forbidding the CDC to spend funds "to advocate or promote gun control."


That is why people can talk all they want about practical ideas and common sense solutions but as long as groups like the NRA control Congress, it's just talk.


https://www.gunsandammo.com/...ires-on-obama/249799

https://www.investors.com/...nst-media-narrative/

https://www.npr.org/...esearchers-skeptical


Did you read that last one before pasting it? :)

The first two are by gun lobby editorialists.
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Re: Latest School Shooting [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Well it has become apparent that the “authorities” are unwilling or unable to protect them (the police have no legal obligation to protect us anyway).

So this is what we have.


Are you implying that the recent apparent increase in school shootings is largely the fault of the cops?


No.

I’m implying that the recent trend of kids fighting back against shooters is because they don’t see police stopping the shooters.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Latest School Shooting [trail] [ In reply to ]
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And this is interesting (and somewhat related to my comment about lax law enforcement)...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/...legal-immigrant.html

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The Mexican father of alleged Colorado school shooter Alec McKinney, 16, was jailed for domestic violence and deported TWICE, with his son posting how he missed him just days before the atrocity
Jose Evis Quintana, 33, was jailed for 15 months for domestic violence against McKinney's mother Morgan Lynn McKinney and 'menacing with a weapon'
Despite terrorizing Morgan, 32, he convinced her to marry him in 2009 in Castle Rock, Colorado
He was deported back to Mexico in 2010 and Morgan, who has three children including Alec with Quintana, divorced him in 2015
Quintana illegally came back into the country and was deported again in 2017
Alec posted on twitter how he missed his father - just 11 days before the May 7 shooting at STEM School Highlands Ranch near Denver, Colorado

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Latest School Shooting [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
dry heat wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
Maybe we could just start by allowing the government to fund study of the issue


In 1996, the NRA "persuaded" Congress into stripping the funding for gun violence research. Congress then passed a measure forbidding the CDC to spend funds "to advocate or promote gun control."


That is why people can talk all they want about practical ideas and common sense solutions but as long as groups like the NRA control Congress, it's just talk.


https://www.gunsandammo.com/...ires-on-obama/249799

https://www.investors.com/...nst-media-narrative/

https://www.npr.org/...esearchers-skeptical


Did you read that last one before pasting it? :)

The first two are by gun lobby editorialists.

Yes.

Go ahead and look at the actual CDC findings.
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