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Re: Is this the turning point in Venezuela [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, but given that neither process has been attempted yet, I don't think there's any basis to judge correctness. Impeachment has not been initiated by the House. And the 25th never advanced to the stage of delivering a formal Declaration of unfitness to the Speaker and President pro tempore of the Senate.
What there seems to have been is some private speach about the 25th among some members of Trump's own Executive Branch. And there's a good amount of pretty public discussion about impeachment.

Neither of those even remotely amount to a "coup" or anything un-Constitutional.

If it had gotten to the stage of formally declaring, then those involved should have been tried for treason.
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Re: Is this the turning point in Venezuela [efernand] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, but given that neither process has been attempted yet, I don't think there's any basis to judge correctness. Impeachment has not been initiated by the House. And the 25th never advanced to the stage of delivering a formal Declaration of unfitness to the Speaker and President pro tempore of the Senate.
What there seems to have been is some private speach about the 25th among some members of Trump's own Executive Branch. And there's a good amount of pretty public discussion about impeachment.

Neither of those even remotely amount to a "coup" or anything un-Constitutional.


If it had gotten to the stage of formally declaring, then those involved should have been tried for treason.

You seem to have a very self serving definition of what treason is. Your definition sounds more like China or N Korea than the US.

Have you not paid any attention to the frequent process of confidence votes over in the UK with May? It seems by your view, those MP's would have been lined up and shot after May was victorious multiple times on the no confidence votes.
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Re: Is this the turning point in Venezuela [efernand] [ In reply to ]
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If it had gotten to the stage of formally declaring, then those involved should have been tried for treason.

Why? It's their Constitutional right to do so. And at that point the President still has due process to contest the claim.

The only reason I could see for treason would be enacting the process with surreptious collusion with a foreign government or something.
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Re: Is this the turning point in Venezuela [trail] [ In reply to ]
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If the leader of Venezuela invites us to help (he hasn't yet), then everything I said is fine


Yeah, Guaido has a fine line to walk. No country like its leader to be a proxy to another. Sovereignty, etc. But Guiado seemingly needs *some* help. But probably best if on the down-low rather than in-your-face like a blockade or shooting stuff down.

That's why I'm surprised that Bolton and Pompeo have been so publicly vocal about Venezuela. They're seemingly hamstringing Guiado's long-term prognosis by making him look like a U.S.-backed figurehead. The population of Venezuela may be ready to move on from the Chavez-Maduro brand of kleptocratic socialism. That doesn't mean they want a proxy government.

Well the military has cast their votes and they have said gringo go home. So now we will start pumping millions of dollars into the opposition which will be no better than the present Govt.

"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
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