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Re: David Irving is stupid or high or both [tritimmy] [ In reply to ]
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Ah, gotcha. Yes, I did interact with Meth and Heroin addicts. For three years I interacted with them quite intimately. Is there more damage to the human body from speed and heroin? Yes, I would agree there is. However, while I interacted with these people, I had the opportunity to have a lot of conversations with them, and I don't recall any of them starting out with meth or heroin. Most (not all) started out with weed. Here's another reason for my stance. Behind the weed sales, the ones that finally arrive to the 'regular normal' people as mentioned by 50+, there's a wicked evil world in the form of the DTO's, drug trafficking organizations. So combat this issue, the narrative has become to legalize it. That's not working, especially in CA. The unintended consequence of legalization has ramped up the DTO activity to an even greater extent. - I don't have all the answers to these issues of what we speak. I will tell you this though...I feel bad for people like David Irving, a person with unbelievable God given talent, but has chosen to waste it because of his weed addiction.

Ok , so you’re in the don’t legalize because it’s a gateway drug camp. Which, in my reading is different than just as illegal as heroin or meth. I read that to mean that it is equally harmful and should be punished equivalently to poss/sale MJ which is a large step beyond shouldn’t be legal. That’s not the case and should not be the case. Maybe I’m misreading your position though.

If you’re in that camp though, why draw the line at MJ? Why not Alcohol and nicotine other than societal inertia and the failed experiment of prohibition? I find MJ to be a lot closer to alcohol than meth.

I still don’t see the societal benefit of taking fucked up people on meth and then further stigmatizing them by locking them up and making them felons. Traffickers, cooks etc. I have less sympathy for, but frequently the line between the two blurs.

Ancecdotally, I have resolved hundreds of MJ and other drug charges over the last twenty years. Some of those people were hopelessly screwed up, many of them were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Almost to a T, the ones that were hopelessly fucked up were probably going to be fucked up on something.

One of the first serious drug cases I worked on was a 19 yo girl that was taken in as part of a federal meth conspiracy case. She discovered she was pregnant as part of the booking procedure. Her sin was being addicted to meth and supplying the cooks with precursors, in return for a hit to feed the habit. When I met her she looked a hard used up 40. She didn’t have a gateway drug, but rather a really shitty older relative that got her high on meth at 14 so he could molest her. I realize that situation is unusual, but also not unheard of. Per fed guidelines she did several years prison time, and is essentially a felon for life since expunging fed convictions is virtually impossible. This was all despite the benefit of a 5k1.1 motion, a somewhat sympathetic AUSA and a myriad of compelling factors for our downward departure motion. I think we as a society could have done a lot better by her.
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Re: David Irving is stupid or high or both [chriskal] [ In reply to ]
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chriskal wrote:
I find MJ to be a lot closer to alcohol than meth.

I think the implied positioning of MJ as between those two is wrong. Alcohol is closer to meth than it is to MJ - it's the one in between. Alcohol abuse is incredibly destructive.

I don't use marijuana, and some who use it I find as kind of pathetic and ineffectual. But I've been around alcoholics and chronic marijuana users. And given the choice I'd much rather be around marijuana users. There's less violence, less screaming, fewer serious medical conditions. Much less total loss of ability to take care of themselves.
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Re: David Irving is stupid or high or both [SH] [ In reply to ]
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1.) This isn't about becoming an addict. It's about failing an NFL drug test.
2.) This isn't about protecting his body and mind. It's about failing an NFL drug test.
3.) This isn't about whether Elon Musk smoked weed on TV. It's about failing an NFL drug test.

Is weed performance enhancing?

“Read the transcript.”
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Re: David Irving is stupid or high or both [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
chriskal wrote:
I find MJ to be a lot closer to alcohol than meth.


I think the implied positioning of MJ as between those two is wrong. Alcohol is closer to meth than it is to MJ - it's the one in between. Alcohol abuse is incredibly destructive.

I don't use marijuana, and some who use it I find as kind of pathetic and ineffectual. But I've been around alcoholics and chronic marijuana users. And given the choice I'd much rather be around marijuana users. There's less violence, less screaming, fewer serious medical conditions. Much less total loss of ability to take care of themselves.


I won’t argue with any of that. One of my friends from high school had a serious problem dealing with alcohol. Total meltdowns, violent outbursts and ,lots of babysitting from the rest of us. During college he pretty much stopped drinking and started getting high. No more meltdowns, no violent outbursts and no need to babysit every time we went out. It was incredibly refreshing.

MJ has screwed his life up so much that he is a Judge in TX these days. If he had continued drinking these last 30 years I can almost guarantee he’d be much worse off, if not dead.

*Edited to add: to my knowledge he never veered in to meth, coke, heroin or heavier drugs. He did eat shrooms with me once, but that was at a Dead show so when in Rome and such.
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Re: David Irving is stupid or high or both [sslothrop] [ In reply to ]
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sslothrop wrote:
SH wrote:
1.) This isn't about becoming an addict. It's about failing an NFL drug test.
2.) This isn't about protecting his body and mind. It's about failing an NFL drug test.
3.) This isn't about whether Elon Musk smoked weed on TV. It's about failing an NFL drug test.


Is weed performance enhancing?

Does the NFL test because weed enhances performance?
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