Are you sure he bragged about it to the media? I don't understand why the truth isn't enough here.

Yeah, because it takes all of 5-10 seconds to take a nude selfie. Imagine all the things you could have done for others in that time! [/pink]
And NOBODY cares what you look like nude -- especially if you look good. [/pink]

Young woman's? Why do you single out women? And context matters. Since we're singling out women, if the wife of a service member sends a private nude selfie to her husband while he's on a 9 month deployment, is that self-absorbed and vain? No, it's awesome in my book. Problem is sometimes private stuff gets out.

Why would it? people do dumb things. I mean it would depend on when / the situation and what they have done since, but just cause a nude photo is out there doesn't mean I would instantly disqualify them.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I can see a younger, really good looking woman under that daily slathering of Botox and gallon of Ms. Clairol she puts on her hair, or whatever they call that shit these days.

But look down, past her face and at her neck and then her wrists and up and you can see that 79 years of hers all over the place. But you know what? Who cares? She's a multi-millionaire and living in Pacific Heights in a part of the country that's got a median income we here in the Detroit 'burbs can't even begin to come close to approaching. So more power to the lady, I guess.

Still. I could see a future in granny porn for her. Not that I'm in to that kind of porn, either.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

I'm sure there's enough spank bank material to populate every cloud out there in the Cloud and I really don't have a problem with that. But the stupidity and short-sightedness of people (especially young women) who do this shit says a lot about their ultimate intelligence and judgment and even common sense.

The chutzpah part comes in when these dumbasses pretty much demand we validate their decisions and not criticize them. Hell, I think these days they think they should even be applauded for basically turning themselves into (self)Play, boy bunnies.

Sorry, but I'm not gonna think nearly as highly of you if you're caught out playing out a version of Hustler's old "beaver hunt" thing because you think you're being forward thinking by showing off said beaver, even if it's only you and a close circle of beaver aficionados. That means you're too stupid to realize there's no such thing as privacy, either on the internet or just on your smartphone.

Hello, lady??? "The Fappening???" You stupid ass.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

In the internet age it ALWAYS gets out. That's where your judgment and good sense should come in, and if you do something that fucking stupid you deserve to be criticized for it, at minimum.

We're just normalizing deviancy and stupid behaviors and being asked to celebrate both, as if we're already in a full-on version of Idiocracy.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

there may come a time when having no nudies in the cloud is like wearing a habit or niqab today. Or surveillance will get so good and cheap that anybody can nab a shot of anybody else if they decide to bother. For sure it'll be much more common.

Having a nude photo discovered of you shouldn’t automatically rule you out for a run at the Presidency, however, I definitely think it’s a fair reason for voters to decide you shouldn’t be elected.

There are numerous ways nude photos could be taken of you without your consent. Hell, most people had “nude” photos taken of them when they were babies, and those are lying around in some family photo album somewhere.

For me, having taken or allowed to be taken, nude photos of yourself, would probably be one of those things that goes in the “unqualified” column. Despite recent trends, I prefer to think we should be aspiring to leadership that exceeds the common standard, rather than coming down to meet it.

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Slowguy

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That both excites me and scares the fuck out of me, at the same time.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

I can always get out. It doesn't actually always get out.

But you think taking naked pictures is "fucking stupid," full stop. People should never take naked pictures of someone is "deviancy" and "idiocracy?" Do you have like a Puritan background or something?

What Anthony Weiner did was deviant and idiotic (to stray slightly from your laser-focus on young women as the root of deviance). But I can think of myriad examples of taking nude pictures that is perfectly healthy and normal.

You seem to have an Old Testamenty-fetish about sinful bare bodies being dirty, dirty things.

Which is dumber, having an affair while married or taking a picture of yourself?

Oh no, skin, no one else has skin but me. One is a picture of a person. The other will straight up fuck up your life and make you lose everything you have.

But you are trying to tell me that one should keep you from being president because to do otherwise is "normalizing deviancy and stupid behavior"?

WTF, why are you so afraid of naked people? Does ever going to a nude beach, nude resort, streaking, mooning someone, etc. also preclude you from being president?

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Should I think less of you and believe you are unqualified to be President because you are so intimately knowledgeable about Hustler's old "beaver hunt"? That sounds like some likely self absorption that's for sure. And, heck, you just revealed it right here in public! What would your life have been like without all those terribly stupid naked women anyway?

Justice Stewart's "I know it when I see it" subjective standard on obscenity in 1964 comes to mind. Defining standards that are dynamic and not maintained by the Bureau of Standards, can be a bitch. It may be more accurate to qualify as current vice common. Agree wholeheartedly with your point that leadership aspiration should always exceed.

What about if I don't care if a nude photo of me goes public? What is so inherently bad about a nude photo? I mean what is really wrong, are we never supposed to be naked? I mean it is pretty common to be naked, what is so scandalous about proving that someone was naked at some point in time? Are we just supposed to pretend that we never get naked?

I mean obviously there are bad nude photos. Sending nude photos to those that don't want them or to underage individuals reflects poor judgement. But I don't see how it is inherently bad.

Do you put affairs, divorces, etc. in that same category? I certainly take those into account but don't think I would care one wit about a nude picture.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

I lean toward slowguy's position. For me, it is a lack of judgment, not a morality issue or about being a prude. For example, look at Bill Clinton's diddling of Monica. Yes, having an affair bothers me, but, it wasn't the fact that he cheated on his wife. It was the lack if judgment and self-control I found appalling.

Now, not every nudie is created equally. Obviously, if it was taken without one's consent, that puts it in another category. Then, there are those who have posed for art classes, etc.. Sending a pic to your spouse deployed overseas is quite different than a Kim Kardashian sex tape. There are degrees and the details matter.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Still. What if someone does some stupid things, but their policy goals align exactly with yours?
This whole "stupid things" analysis usually only comes after deciding you have no use for the person as a leader IMO.
As such I don't treat it that seriously -- for nudes or people who've had affairs.

And that is why I think affairs matter. And why Bill should have resigned.

I'm not sure that I have a problem with nude pics though. If Jennifer Lawrence were otherwise qualified I don't think the hacked pictures would come up in my mind as disqualifying. The lack of a high school diploma, now that would be a problem.

I think there are circumstances around it that would point to lack of judgment. But I don't know if someone simply having recorded themselves with their partner or taking pictures in the mirror does. Of course, a good share of people who do that also do a lot of other stupid things to help sort out the truly stupid.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Do stupid things -- like text nudes of yourself to someone else -- and you deserve to win stupid prizes. I think the argument by some of us here is that doing something exceedingly stupid like what we're discussing should earn you at least a mulligan. I don't think it should. And I lived a full sailor's life. So I know about stupid, believe me.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

I would put known affairs into the negative bin, but not necessarily divorces, because I'm painfully aware that divorce can happen for a lot of reasons not always within the control of a person and for valid concerns.

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Slowguy

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If you're a candidate for the highest level of public office, then I would question your judgment.


Are you never supposed to fart? Are you never supposed to take a shit? Are you never supposed vomit?

Those are examples of other things that are perfectly natural and that we all do, but that I probably wouldn't want to have on display for a candidate for the highest office in our government.

In theory, the President is supposed to represent our country and our citizens to the rest of the world. I'd prefer for the rest of the world to see a professional diplomat, leader, and Commander in Chief. I don't see how nude photos fit into that picture.

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Slowguy

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And yet you keep coming back here day after day, after day, after day...

Wait, are we still talking about boobs?