f the switch is to a medicare for all system, the US can tie a doctor's license in to his acceptance to take medicare patients. You don't take medicare patients, you don't get a license to practice medicine in the US. Some doctors will quit but many will not and as proof you can look to other countries like Canada, Europe, Germany etc. Doctors won't make the money they make now, but will still make a good living.

waiting lines and rationing of some types of care will be a tradeoff the general populace will have to accept.



I hate to say this but you are delusional.

First, you can’t compare the US to other countries. We are not the same as far as needs, demands, and expectations go.

Second, there is zero way it would ever happen where you could tell a doc “no Medicare = no license”. And if ya did, all I’d do is sign up and then see 10 Medicare patients per year. The rest of the time, I’d probably function in a system like many countries do who have a single payer system, I’d have a private non-Medicare practice. We don’t live in a Communist country (yet), so you can only make so many rules that restrict a person’s ability to do their job. Plus, you’d probably see med school applicants plummet

you are in the thick of it so I appreciate your insight and I am simply throwing out ideas I have heard and things I have discussed with others.

The bottom line is Universal Healthcare is a monumental issue and I anticipate it will gain steam with the left taking over power in the next presidential election. A plan like Bernies outlined in this thread earlier, with a few tweaks, could be seen as doable.

I was interested in hearing from those in Canada earlier because they seem to have it figured out more so than the US and their level of care is seen as sufficient by those in the system. You have waiting lines and still have some costs but haven't heard the horror stories about folks being bankrupt due to costs.

If the rest of the civilized world can have Universal Care and their health outcomes are similar or better than the US, it makes sense the US could get it done as well.

Yeah, many people want a free ride. Wealth or income inequality is not a problem. Poverty is.

I sincerely doubt that you would want to live in a world where everyone's wealth is forcibly equalized.

Well, it's easy then. Start a drug company, pay yourself $1/year, and everyone else $15/hr. Sell your drugs super cheap. You will dominate the market and end tons of people's suffering.

I know what it's termed. And the term for much of what you have been advocating for in this thread is socialism.

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I am on board with Universal HC but don't agree with mass wealth redistribution for the sake of being fair and everyone having the same home, cars, clothes, lifestyle etc. You get what you earn on those fronts.

I see Healthcare as different from any other service provided in the world. It's not a car, a house, or vacation etc that must be earned. It's the power to save your life and should be treated differently. If that is socialism with regard to health care, then so be it. It works in most of the world on this one issue and as one of the richest countries we can do better.

Because it’s super cheap to develop pharmaceuticals. Paying staff 15$/hr should definitely maintain the best talent.

If you have a poverty problem in a developed and wealthy country, then you have a wealth distribution problem, by definition. I don't think anyone even on the far left is advocating a forced wealth re-distribution, that's just Fox fear mongering talking. But income inequality is the problem of our day, and cause of social upheaval if not addressed soon. Look at cities like NY and San Francisco, it's simply not a sustainable place to live.

Healthcare is not like any other services in the world! By its very nature, healthcare is not a profitable endeavor because the more money you spend on it, the better the result. To balance that is one of the key challenges in all the universal healthcare system, such as the Canadian or UK system. Most of the Americans have no idea how these systems work or have any direct or in-direct experience with it.