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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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What are you doing up here in our neck of the woods? Hope you enjoyed the PNW!

Noticed your former prodigy JT did well down at Alcatraz. Still working with him? Always nice to see a local kid making things happen.

Scott
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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3 [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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CCF wrote:
mauricemaher wrote:
Also Victoria is extremely technical for your average triathlete (but basically normal for a bike race) ....so maybe np gets spiked with crowds/soft pedaling etc?

Cheers,
Maurice

My number is actual NP, not sure what others have posted. You are absolutely right about the Vic course, it's a tough one and there are many places where holding speed isn't possible. Pretty fun ride, thought!

Can anyone compare the current course with the “old†(pre-WTC) course? Just looking for some context to understand these comments.

Scott
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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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desert dude wrote:
I'll play but with this caveat, I'm not sure you want to plot out my data.
I started losing pressure in my front tire about 20k in. Rode the last 20-22k on 5-10psi, much of it sitting up and the last 40k well below the power of the first 50k.

Time 2;36:32

entire ride = 200AP 221NP
first 34miles = 211AP 229NP
last 22 miles = 191AP 215NP
70.9kg


Aww man, sorry, that's a bummer.

I'll add your datapoint when I get back in front of a computer.

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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3 [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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Haha - not even close. This power/overbike resulted in a massive blowup on the run!
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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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Bike Split: 2:23:11
NP: 288W
Weight: 85kg

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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [BenRudson] [ In reply to ]
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BenRudson wrote:
Bike Split: 2:23:11
NP: 288W
Weight: 85kg

Added. The NP plot is in the first post in the thread. The w/kg plot is here



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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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Ditto Andy. Go average power, not normalized.

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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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Time: 2:41.14
AP: 224
NP: 237
Weight: 78kg
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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [fredly] [ In reply to ]
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Average power rather than norm power. No weight for Beals and no AP for Ben, so just these eight.



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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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I can assure you Quantum wasn't there :)

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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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did you redo the power/time chart to AP?

ap how fast you go - vs. - np how hard you go

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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [MarkyV] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, that's AP above in post #34.

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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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can you do just time/ap like in post 1?

while vic is rolly i'm not all that concerned with w/kg

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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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CCF wrote:
Here, let's all post our NP and official time from Victoria half this weekend, and we can compare and see who was super slippery (aerodynamically speaking) and who needs help on this particular course.

If that is what you want, I think you need to plug everyone's numbers into BBS and back out a CdA. Plots of time vs power (or w/kg) don't tell you this.
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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [MarkyV] [ In reply to ]
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MarkyV wrote:
can you do just time/ap like in post 1?

while vic is rolly i'm not all that concerned with w/kg

Ask and ye shall receive. How cool would it be if I could get 500 data points here? If only people were interested in using data to understand performance.... :(



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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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rruff wrote:
CCF wrote:
Here, let's all post our NP and official time from Victoria half this weekend, and we can compare and see who was super slippery (aerodynamically speaking) and who needs help on this particular course.


If that is what you want, I think you need to plug everyone's numbers into BBS and back out a CdA. Plots of time vs power (or w/kg) don't tell you this.

Yeah, I know it. I was attempting glibness (poorly apparently).

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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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Victoria 2017:

Time - 2:31:20
Normalised Power - 257W
Avg Power - 241W
Weight - 77kg
Avg W/kg - 3.06 W/kg

VI - 1.07
Avg HR - 146 (Max = 170)

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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3--edit: plots! [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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if you get around to doing that i'd be curious in seeing that plot

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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3 [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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Fellas.... there's a story behind this....



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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3 [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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Paging Dr Colin.... i want some stories about this 👆ðŸ»

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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3 [MarkyV] [ In reply to ]
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Well....the short story is that Lake Whatcom Tri is an excellent race and Brent is flat out a better runner than I.

The longer story is that we both had great races. There is one u-turn on the run course at about the two mile mark, so I knew that DFRU was right behind me. I spent the next four miles trying to hold him off as best I could. It's a hard run course, made even more difficult by a monster set of stairs at around the four mile mark (66 feet of elevation in 0.04 miles https://www.strava.com/...07205?filter=overall). After that there is a gradual uphill slog that makes you feel like you are going to die. Last year I ran up the stairs and paid dearly for it. So this time I walked them (two at a time). When I got to the top and could not yet see DFRU behind me (note that I didn't say 'could not yet see DFRU at the bottom', that's because you can't actually see the bottom from the top) I thought I had it. I started concentrating on just keeping it together, but after that climb everything hurts. At 5.5 miles I really thought I had it. In retrospect I should have been picking it up then, but in the moment that wasn't really an option. We crossed the street and had to run across a bumpy field. I was running hard but at that point the uneven ground was tough on me. I knew he was closing but I still thought I had enough real estate. Across the field, hit the pavement through the parking low and around the bathrooms (transition is in a nice park, 99% of the run is on grass or gravel) and I realized he was RIGHT FUCKING THERE. Damn it, I had to sprint. Final straight is on bumpy grass again. I was running with everything I had, but honestly I could swear I was going to take a header. I felt like my legs were flailing like a cartoon character. Everyone was shouting and I think he passed me with 0.001 meters left to run. We both collapsed.

After the finish:
Me: 'I really thought I was going to fall over during that sprint."
DFRU: 'I really thought you were, too.'

Ouch.

All in all a great way to end my 2018 season. Time to tune the knobby bikes and get ready for cross season!

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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3 [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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dats fun :)

end of season??? You are weird. I'm pretty sure the season just _started_ in your neck of the woods. which i guess it also means it's almost over 😂 #pacnorthwetjokes

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Re: Okay let's have some data: Norm Power and official bike time from Victoria 70.3 [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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CCF wrote:
After the finish:
Me: 'I really thought I was going to fall over during that sprint."
DFRU: 'I really thought you were, too.'

Ouch.

That response made me laugh out loud. Thanks for the story :-)

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