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Re: Trump vs Amazon [Uncle Arqyle] [ In reply to ]
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veganerd wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:

Why does Trump hate capitalism (and the post office)?

"I have stated my concerns with Amazon long before the Election. Unlike others, they pay little or no taxes to state & local governments, use our Postal System as their Delivery Boy (causing tremendous loss to the U.S.), and are putting many thousands of retailers out of business!"

- DJT, 29 March 2018


Anyone remember Janet Reno going after Microsoft? Probably not.


I do, but her reasons were much different than trumps


Nope. Same fundamentals. He might be putting this at the top of his to do list because of his distaste of Bezos and WaPo but same fundamentals are in play and this has been discussed for a long time before Trump.

Nope. Not at all. Reno went after Microsoft over antitrust issues. Trump is going after Amazon for reasons to do with its tax treatment.
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Re: Trump vs Amazon [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
veganerd wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:

Why does Trump hate capitalism (and the post office)?

"I have stated my concerns with Amazon long before the Election. Unlike others, they pay little or no taxes to state & local governments, use our Postal System as their Delivery Boy (causing tremendous loss to the U.S.), and are putting many thousands of retailers out of business!"

- DJT, 29 March 2018


Anyone remember Janet Reno going after Microsoft? Probably not.


I do, but her reasons were much different than trumps


Nope. Same fundamentals. He might be putting this at the top of his to do list because of his distaste of Bezos and WaPo but same fundamentals are in play and this has been discussed for a long time before Trump.


Nope. Not at all. Reno went after Microsoft over antitrust issues. Trump is going after Amazon for reasons to do with its tax treatment.



You better write all of these news outlets and correct them:

http://fortune.com/2018/03/28/amazon-shares-donald-trump-antitrust-law/


http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-amazon-wants-tax-antitrust-change-jeff-bezos-2018-3


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/technology/trump-obsessed-with-regulating-amazon-wants-to-use-antitrust-laws-report


https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2018/03/28/amazon-shares-dive-off-report-trump-wants-go-after-company/465478002/
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Re: Trump vs Amazon [Uncle Arqyle] [ In reply to ]
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Same fundamentals. He might be putting this at the top of his to do list because of his distaste of Bezos and WaPo but same fundamentals are in play and this has been discussed for a long time before Trump.

If the fundamentals are the same then explain how consumers will benefit by Amazon paying more local sales tax. Or more to the point, the fundamentals of the MSFT case was the public would benefit by removing some of the proprietary nature of the Windows OS. If Trump pursues antitrust how is the public going to benefit, since you know, the fundamentals are the same?
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Re: Trump vs Amazon [Uncle Arqyle] [ In reply to ]
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Uncle Arqyle wrote:
WelshinPhilly wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
WelshinPhilly wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:

Why does Trump hate capitalism (and the post office)?

"I have stated my concerns with Amazon long before the Election. Unlike others, they pay little or no taxes to state & local governments, use our Postal System as their Delivery Boy (causing tremendous loss to the U.S.), and are putting many thousands of retailers out of business!"

- DJT, 29 March 2018


Anyone remember Janet Reno going after Microsoft? Probably not.


Are you talking about the antitrust suit? How does that relate to Trump and his Bezos boner?


He's considering going after Amazon via antitrust. Janet Reno had as big a boner for Microsoft as Trump does for Bezos.


Based on what? Amazon out-businessing the businesses they're competing with?

Because of the concentration of power, same reason Microsoft was targeted. Got big, got rich, got powerful. Can literally buy a moat or buy competition and also buy industry products and not sell to competitors. Look at Kiva robots.

And exactly how did that work out?
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Re: Trump vs Amazon [Uncle Arqyle] [ In reply to ]
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Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
veganerd wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:

Why does Trump hate capitalism (and the post office)?

"I have stated my concerns with Amazon long before the Election. Unlike others, they pay little or no taxes to state & local governments, use our Postal System as their Delivery Boy (causing tremendous loss to the U.S.), and are putting many thousands of retailers out of business!"

- DJT, 29 March 2018


Anyone remember Janet Reno going after Microsoft? Probably not.


I do, but her reasons were much different than trumps


Nope. Same fundamentals. He might be putting this at the top of his to do list because of his distaste of Bezos and WaPo but same fundamentals are in play and this has been discussed for a long time before Trump.


Nope. Not at all. Reno went after Microsoft over antitrust issues. Trump is going after Amazon for reasons to do with its tax treatment.



You better write all of these news outlets and correct them:

http://fortune.com/2018/03/28/amazon-shares-donald-trump-antitrust-law/


http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-amazon-wants-tax-antitrust-change-jeff-bezos-2018-3


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/technology/trump-obsessed-with-regulating-amazon-wants-to-use-antitrust-laws-report


https://www.usatoday.com/...r-company/465478002/

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While you contact these...

https://www.cnbc.com/...china-not-taxes.html

https://www.cnbc.com/...ly-hates-amazon.html

He has reportedly pondered some anti-trust complaints, but I would be very surprised if he took action on that front. As of now (including this morning's Tweet), he is looking at tax.
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Re: Trump vs Amazon [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
veganerd wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:

Why does Trump hate capitalism (and the post office)?

"I have stated my concerns with Amazon long before the Election. Unlike others, they pay little or no taxes to state & local governments, use our Postal System as their Delivery Boy (causing tremendous loss to the U.S.), and are putting many thousands of retailers out of business!"

- DJT, 29 March 2018


Anyone remember Janet Reno going after Microsoft? Probably not.


I do, but her reasons were much different than trumps


Nope. Same fundamentals. He might be putting this at the top of his to do list because of his distaste of Bezos and WaPo but same fundamentals are in play and this has been discussed for a long time before Trump.


Nope. Not at all. Reno went after Microsoft over antitrust issues. Trump is going after Amazon for reasons to do with its tax treatment.



You better write all of these news outlets and correct them:

http://fortune.com/2018/03/28/amazon-shares-donald-trump-antitrust-law/


http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-amazon-wants-tax-antitrust-change-jeff-bezos-2018-3


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/technology/trump-obsessed-with-regulating-amazon-wants-to-use-antitrust-laws-report


https://www.usatoday.com/...r-company/465478002/

[/quote[/url]]

While you contact these...

https://www.cnbc.com/...china-not-taxes.html

https://www.cnbc.com/...ly-hates-amazon.html

He has reportedly pondered some anti-trust complaints, but I would be very surprised if he took action on that front. As of now (including this morning's Tweet), he is looking at tax.

He doesn't care about the vehicle whether its antitrust or taxes. He's going after the big bad company, same way Reno went after big bad Microsoft in 90's.
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Re: Trump vs Amazon [Uncle Arqyle] [ In reply to ]
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Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
veganerd wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:

Why does Trump hate capitalism (and the post office)?

"I have stated my concerns with Amazon long before the Election. Unlike others, they pay little or no taxes to state & local governments, use our Postal System as their Delivery Boy (causing tremendous loss to the U.S.), and are putting many thousands of retailers out of business!"

- DJT, 29 March 2018


Anyone remember Janet Reno going after Microsoft? Probably not.


I do, but her reasons were much different than trumps


Nope. Same fundamentals. He might be putting this at the top of his to do list because of his distaste of Bezos and WaPo but same fundamentals are in play and this has been discussed for a long time before Trump.


Nope. Not at all. Reno went after Microsoft over antitrust issues. Trump is going after Amazon for reasons to do with its tax treatment.



You better write all of these news outlets and correct them:

http://fortune.com/2018/03/28/amazon-shares-donald-trump-antitrust-law/


http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-amazon-wants-tax-antitrust-change-jeff-bezos-2018-3


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/technology/trump-obsessed-with-regulating-amazon-wants-to-use-antitrust-laws-report


https://www.usatoday.com/...r-company/465478002/

[/quote[/url]]

While you contact these...

https://www.cnbc.com/...china-not-taxes.html

https://www.cnbc.com/...ly-hates-amazon.html

He has reportedly pondered some anti-trust complaints, but I would be very surprised if he took action on that front. As of now (including this morning's Tweet), he is looking at tax.

He doesn't care about the vehicle whether its antitrust or taxes. He's going after the big bad company, same way Reno went after big bad Microsoft in 90's.

Anyone remember when Donald Trump said not paying taxes was smart? Probably not.

He didn’t mean it like that? Same fundamentals.
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Re: Trump vs Amazon [sto] [ In reply to ]
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nothing gets the orange-haired shit gibbon fired up like someone who is "better" at something than he will ever be... see "Barack Obama" for more info.

I 100% believe this was the catalyst that made Donnie decide he needed to burn everything to the ground...
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Re: Trump vs Amazon [Uncle Arqyle] [ In reply to ]
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Uncle Arqyle wrote:
He doesn't care about the vehicle whether its antitrust or taxes. He's going after the big bad company, same way Reno went after big bad Microsoft in 90's.

He doesn't care about the vehicle because his motive is personal jealousy.

In case you don't see it, there's a huge difference between a sitting President going after a corporation for personal reasons and and Attorney General building an anti-trust case.

By the way (I truly don't know), is the EU going after Amazon the same way they went after Microsoft?
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Re: Trump vs Amazon [sto] [ In reply to ]
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sto wrote:
you forgot to mention it is because he's a pathetic temper-tantrum throwing asshole who is jealous of Bezos wealth. Bezos is like a billion times richer and more powerful than Donny Dickhead ever was or will be. nothing gets the orange-haired shit gibbon fired up like someone who is "better" at something than he will ever be... see "Barack Obama" for more info.


Awesome and so true.
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eb wrote:
Uncle Arqyle wrote:

He doesn't care about the vehicle whether its antitrust or taxes. He's going after the big bad company, same way Reno went after big bad Microsoft in 90's.


He doesn't care about the vehicle because his motive is personal jealousy.

In case you don't see it, there's a huge difference between a sitting President going after a corporation for personal reasons and and Attorney General building an anti-trust case.

By the way (I truly don't know), is the EU going after Amazon the same way they went after Microsoft?
I don't know about the EU but as far as an antitrust case goes, Amazon is probably less vulnerable than Microsoft was. Microsoft had their operating system on 97% of devices in the year 2000. That was an easy target.

Amazon serves several markets. The closest thing they have to a monopoly might be e-books, but right now that's around 67% -- not even close to Microsoft Windows at its peak. They also compete with Wal-Mart, and now grocery stores, in consumer goods, and they compete with Google and Microsoft in the cloud computing arena.

They are a behemoth, yes. But they have some strong competition as well.

The antitrust suit wasn't about market share, it was about the practices Microsoft used to achieve it.
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spudone wrote:
WelshinPhilly wrote:
The antitrust suit wasn't about market share, it was about the practices Microsoft used to achieve it.

The thing is, governments have little reason to go looking for that behavior if you're not dominating an industry.

And as far as Amazon goes, it was actually Apple and some of the major publishers that got slapped for anti-competitive practices (https://www.theguardian.com/...fixing-supreme-court).

Amazon has been fairly careful so far.

Read and learn. http://www.yalelawjournal.org/...ns-antitrust-paradox
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Re: Trump vs Amazon [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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How about the fact that for tax puposes they are headquarted out of Luxemburg otherwise they owe the Feds $1.5 BILLION

here is an article for Newsweek not fox not brietbart http://www.newsweek.com/...os-taxes-479814.html

most of the items you buy directly from them are delivered by their own labor force (a horror story in itself)

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Re: Trump vs Amazon [Billabong] [ In reply to ]
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How about the fact that for tax puposes they are headquarted out of Luxemburg otherwise they owe the Feds $1.5 BILLION

here is an article for Newsweek not fox not brietbart http://www.newsweek.com/...os-taxes-479814.html

most of the items you buy directly from them are delivered by their own labor force (a horror story in itself)

You do realize just about every multinational does this. Amazon isn't some kind of outlier in this regards. Apple just got hit with $15 billion. If anything, $1.5 billion is Trump level tax dodging, except for Trump that's a lot of money. For Amazon, $1.5 billion is couch change.
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Re: Trump vs Amazon [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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Billabong wrote:
How about the fact that for tax puposes they are headquarted out of Luxemburg otherwise they owe the Feds $1.5 BILLION

here is an article for Newsweek not fox not brietbart http://www.newsweek.com/...os-taxes-479814.html

most of the items you buy directly from them are delivered by their own labor force (a horror story in itself)


You do realize just about every multinational does this. Amazon isn't some kind of outlier in this regards. Apple just got hit with $15 billion. If anything, $1.5 billion is Trump level tax dodging, except for Trump that's a lot of money. For Amazon, $1.5 billion is couch change.

Do you think Donnie Douchebag doesn't use this same technique on many of his worldwide holdings? Oh yeah, we haven't seen those damn tax returns. Pot, meet the hypo critic kettle.
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Re: Trump vs Amazon [Harbinger] [ In reply to ]
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Harbinger wrote:
FishyJoe wrote:
Billabong wrote:
How about the fact that for tax puposes they are headquarted out of Luxemburg otherwise they owe the Feds $1.5 BILLION

here is an article for Newsweek not fox not brietbart http://www.newsweek.com/...os-taxes-479814.html

most of the items you buy directly from them are delivered by their own labor force (a horror story in itself)


You do realize just about every multinational does this. Amazon isn't some kind of outlier in this regards. Apple just got hit with $15 billion. If anything, $1.5 billion is Trump level tax dodging, except for Trump that's a lot of money. For Amazon, $1.5 billion is couch change.


Do you think Donnie Douchebag doesn't use this same technique on many of his worldwide holdings? Oh yeah, we haven't seen those damn tax returns. Pot, meet the hypo critic kettle.

While LBJ was a Senator he continually voted against the Civil Rights Bill, but pushed it when he was President. When questioned his response was (parapharsed) when I was a Senator it was not the right thing for Texas, but now as President it is the right thing for the country.

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Re: Trump vs Amazon [Billabong] [ In reply to ]
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Billabong wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
FishyJoe wrote:
Billabong wrote:
How about the fact that for tax puposes they are headquarted out of Luxemburg otherwise they owe the Feds $1.5 BILLION

here is an article for Newsweek not fox not brietbart http://www.newsweek.com/...os-taxes-479814.html

most of the items you buy directly from them are delivered by their own labor force (a horror story in itself)


You do realize just about every multinational does this. Amazon isn't some kind of outlier in this regards. Apple just got hit with $15 billion. If anything, $1.5 billion is Trump level tax dodging, except for Trump that's a lot of money. For Amazon, $1.5 billion is couch change.


Do you think Donnie Douchebag doesn't use this same technique on many of his worldwide holdings? Oh yeah, we haven't seen those damn tax returns. Pot, meet the hypo critic kettle.


While LBJ was a Senator he continually voted against the Civil Rights Bill, but pushed it when he was President. When questioned his response was (parapharsed) when I was a Senator it was not the right thing for Texas, but now as President it is the right thing for the country.

Yeah I could see the current dimwit-in-chief holding such a nuanced position.
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Re: Trump vs Amazon [Billabong] [ In reply to ]
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Billabong wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
FishyJoe wrote:
Billabong wrote:
How about the fact that for tax puposes they are headquarted out of Luxemburg otherwise they owe the Feds $1.5 BILLION

here is an article for Newsweek not fox not brietbart http://www.newsweek.com/...os-taxes-479814.html

most of the items you buy directly from them are delivered by their own labor force (a horror story in itself)


You do realize just about every multinational does this. Amazon isn't some kind of outlier in this regards. Apple just got hit with $15 billion. If anything, $1.5 billion is Trump level tax dodging, except for Trump that's a lot of money. For Amazon, $1.5 billion is couch change.


Do you think Donnie Douchebag doesn't use this same technique on many of his worldwide holdings? Oh yeah, we haven't seen those damn tax returns. Pot, meet the hypo critic kettle.


While LBJ was a Senator he continually voted against the Civil Rights Bill, but pushed it when he was President. When questioned his response was (parapharsed) when I was a Senator it was not the right thing for Texas, but now as President it is the right thing for the country.

Deflection fail.
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