Problem with disc brakes and cross...STI levers. You can only run cable actuated brakes...no hydraulic. You also can not use flat bars in UCI races...most high profile races in the US are UCI now.

http://www.monkeyhillcs.com/mac/mac2005/

Diablo, use what ever you want to use. To each his own. If you want disc, use them...more power to you. I will always run cantis...less to go wrong with them...plus, that's why there are pits and pit bikes for races.

And if you want to go crazy-light, you can go with the Stan's modified Marta SL's which weigh in at 290g COMPLETE, which is lighter than anything other than perhaps a modified Formula brake system.

And regarding your:

It could as easily read:

Hello,



Their are pretty good cable actuated disks out their and if you are determined you can use STI levers with a hydraulic disk. Someone out their makes an adapter which allows this. Basically its a cable actuated slave hydaulic cylinder.

Styrrell

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Styrrell

[quote]Ignorance raises it's ugly head again I see. [/quote]

indeed.

a metre of brake housing weighs 58.5 grams, a metre of cable weighs 14 grams. that puts both avid and tektro around 250 grams/wheel.

yes, you keep racing, smart guy. maybe you'll have better luck in the kiddie kilo.

You're neither seconding Vandelay nor disagreeing with me.

I know, you are doing your job well.

I was just saying that I do race and there are more beat up cross bikes than there are bike porn cross bike, mine included. And they win just the same. Mine does, anyway.

I use don't "want" to use discs, just think the rule is foolish. I use frog legs on my cross bike, but if I were able to use discs I would in a heartbeat. I switched to Marta SL's on my MTB and I'll never go back. Same with tubeless.

When it comes to cross bikes, simple is better. Single front rings, no front derailleur, non-STI standard left road brake lever, high profile cantis, maybe even chicken levers on the bar tops. Look at some of the pro pics http://www.cyclocrossonline.be/html2004/index.htm some pros run double chainrings up front, but remember, they can push a 46t or a 48t chainring in a lot of different conditions.

And I said that the same applies to tri (and road and MTB as well). This thread has just become a series of non-sequiturs.

Pulling that cable with your hand?

And regarding my success... while you were watching Jonathan...

Perhaps. To be fair, Dreamer just wanted to know the differences in a cross and road bike and thus, most of the posts don't really follow. Sorry Dreamer. Fork, gearing, brakes, tires...those are the main differences.

Hello, Oh hell if ya want stupid light

ROI V brake (with pad and bolts) 99gms

Steinbach lever 31 gms

0.5 meter nokon housing (for front) 15 grams

powercordz cable 6 gm

BTP front hub 39 grams

Total including front hub 190 grams.



Styrrell

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Styrrell

Never used them, but from what a couple of my Euro-friends have told me (Roi I believe is Italian), they suck. Sort of like the Cane Creek BSL 200's (nee Dia-Comp 200).

I'm talking about real-world brakes.

in the real world, disk brakes aren't generally needed on CX bikes, especially the racing ones, because you don't need that much force to brake a CX tire - not enough traction to make use of the full power of a disk brake. that said, in terribly muddy conditions, a disk brake would give more consistent braking.

anyway, when you quoted the weight of disk vs canti systems, you forgot to include the fact that disk brakes require disk hubs, which are generally heavier.

while I was watching jonathan, what?

and damn me for getting sucked into a stupid debate about a non-legal device with an advocato.

Don't need no steenking brakes. Fixe cross is where real men ride. Talk about learn your dismounts. My Matt Chester Ti can go under the UCI limit with my climbing wheels. That is a real stupid human trick, but fun.

I have had a cross bike in the stable since 74, and other than a few more gears my old 78ish Alan is pretty state of the art still. The old Mafac brakes are now copied in carbon, the single campy front is still a single campy front. I still like Barcons, but Sti/Ergo is probably better. Having only five gears that all work all the time IMO is better than 20 that work some of the time.

I think every one is right on this one and full of crap too. I can damn near ride 100% as fast on my Alan beater 5 speed as I can on my single speed fixe or my 9 speed Ergo shifting ride that costs $4k

Bottom line is run what ya brung. Unlike road triathlon, people can go fast on most any bike. Cheap or high zoot it is kind of like surfing. If you suit up you are in the sport, no need for fancy stuff.

Howdy,

Actually that may be the scariest setup out there but weight weenism is a slippery slope, all I can say is the devils advocate has to be careful if he's going to make proclamations. Better luck next time



Styrrell

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Styrrell

Bottom line is buy a cross ride then race till you puke.

CROSS RULZ!