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HED on aerodynamics etc.
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The world according to HED, from their 2004 brochure:

Q.1 Is it true that you have to be riding above 20 mph for aero wheels to make a difference?
A.1 The faster you go, the more power you produce. Efficient use of this power depends on how good your aerodynamics are. The time savings provided by aero wheels will always be proportional to the power of the rider. It doesn’t matter whether you produce 300 watts or 150 watts. In fact, slower riders may not be going at the same speed as faster ones, but aero wheels actually save them an even greater amount of time over the same distance. The only exception is on hills, where speeds slower than about 11 mph aren’t sufficient to compensate for the aero wheel weight disadvantage.

Q.2 Can certain wind angles push a rider along?
A.2 Think of a guy in a rowing boat, using ‘x’ amount of power to move along. Then erect a sail the size of a disc wheel. The surface area of this sail isn’t enough to propel him without rowing as well, but it will make the rowing easier. This is how a disc wheel works at beneficial wind angles. You can’t stop pedalling but it does feel easier.


Q.3 I can only afford one wheel, so which one should it be?
A.3 The front wheel breaks the wind first, so this is the more important of the two. In certain conditions, a front wheel will save twice as much as the rear. However, it also depends on the model of the wheel, because a rear disc will provide at least as much performance as any other aero design on the front.

Q.4 Is aerodynamic performance more important than weight saving?
A.4 let’s look at a few figures. Assume a rider uses a conventional bike over a 25 mile flat course time trial. He weighs 150 lbs, his bike is another 20 lbs, and he his producing 185 watts of power. The aero drag with this scenario would be approximately 6.5 lbs using aero bars into a 2 mph headwind of between 0 and 5 degrees. With his standard bike, our rider’s time would be 1 hour 7 minutes and 38 seconds. If we reduced the weight of his bike by three pounds, that time would come down by just 3 seconds. However swap the wheels to an aero design and the drag could be reduced to 6 lbs. Even with the additional quarter pound weight of the new wheels, his time saving over 25 miles jumps dramatically to over 1 minute 30 seconds. No contest.

Q.5 Are deep rim aero wheels different to true?
A.5 Soft structure carbon rims in the HED range all feature full length spokes. Once you remove the tyre, they true up just like an ordinary bike wheel. Hard structure rims, like the Stinger, are different; they have shorter spokes pulling directly against the carbon section. However, these are taken from moulds with incredibly close tolerance accuracy, so the intrinsic wheel structure of a HED is twice the level where a conventional wheel would need to be trued.

Q.6 How much time could I save in a 25 mile time trial by switching to aero rims?
A.6 It depends on the wheels. Using our 150 lb test rider in an aero tuck as a model, switching to aero wheels will typically save between 1 minute 30 seconds and 2 minutes over a flat 25 mile course. Using a deep front and disc rear, two minutes is a realistic figure. At the other end of the scale, using a pair of Jet V40 would be worth a saving of 1 minute.

Stephen Perera
Gibraltar, Europe
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Q.2 Can certain wind angles push a rider along?
A.2 Think of a guy in a rowing boat, using ‘x’ amount of power to move along. Then erect a sail the size of a disc wheel. The surface area of this sail isn’t enough to propel him without rowing as well, but it will make the rowing easier. This is how a disc wheel works at beneficial wind angles. You can’t stop pedalling but it does feel easier.

I really can't get my head (hed) round this one.....can anyone explain this better....?

Stephen Perera
Gibraltar, Europe
graphics@gibraltar.gi
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Re: HED on aerodynamics etc. [sperera] [ In reply to ]
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They haven't changed the Q's nor A's in years. This could have been from a much earlier brochure. Certainly seems to be believeable information, not hyperbole.



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Re: HED on aerodynamics etc. [sperera] [ In reply to ]
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I think the rowboat analogy was trying to say a sail the size of a disc isn't going to do much to help the rower move that boat through the water faster even at an advantageous wind direction. Sure, it feels faster...sort of like it is a sail, but, that's true regardless of the wheel on the bike. Perhaps this was a slightly backhanded way of saying that the benefits of a disc are mostly related to a decrease in spoke turbulence, not due to a sail effect, even though at some wind angles the disc can have a sail effect.



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Re: HED on aerodynamics etc. [sperera] [ In reply to ]
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I think that part of the answer you are looking for is discussed in this real/apparent wind sailboarding article:

http://web.singnet.com.sg/~dgswee/AppWind/trueapp.htm

Jay

Jay
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Re: HED on aerodynamics etc. [sperera] [ In reply to ]
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it means is that the aero drag of a disk decreases significantly as yaw angle increases. The deep dish Zipps and Tri-spokes exhibit this behavior as well.

In perfectly calm conditions disks do not provide as much advantage as in a light-moderate crosswind.

There are tons of other resources out there .. check the Zipp site for instance.
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