if you want stiffness in a ti bike, consider the Litespeed Ultimate. Solid as a rock.

Or Seven cycles will custom build according to your preferences.

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How does the Litespeed Firenz stack up as far as stiffness?

I think I spelled it correctly!! I hope? LOL

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Considered the Habanero, www.habcycles.com? Quite affordable($695), custom geometry available, apparently great customer service, and I've read lots of glowing reviews. Have a read on rec.bicycles.tech at Google Groups. They talk a lot about its stiffness.

You might also take a look at the Swedish maker, Magmaa. They're the only Ti frame to pass the www.efbe.de torture test, and at the highest level. I have one and it's quite nice.

on the litespeed web site they indicate the relative stiffness of the different models. The Ultimate is at the top of the food chain. Not sure about the Firenze.

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Habanero looks like a great deal - I can't get into rec.bicycles.tech for some reason - do they basically agree it is stiff? Is the team issue stiffer than the regular?

Okay, I either currently or had the following

Ultimate - Standard and currently have a custom

Vortex

Palmeres



With out doubt the Ultimate is the stiffest out of the bunch by a BIG margin. The Classic is known to be kinda like a noodle under a heavy powerful rider.

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What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

I am 6'3", 210lbs. My Moots is a great bike and plenty stiff. Nicer than Litespeed IMHO.

I concur.

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What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

Did you go to http://groups.google.com and then from there to rec.bicycles.tech? Working for me right now. Never read of anyone complaining that frame wasn't stiff enough. You should drop Mark Hickey an email directly. I think the team issue is just more of a fashion statement difference than anything functional.

It seems for the money that stateside TST frames are stiff and pretty awesome - for $525 its getting hard to justify another litespeed. I think the TST is more elegant looking and US made than the Chinese Habanero (a stupid name too - prefer completely plain...) Anybody have any experience with these?

Am also considering CAAD7 and a waterford 2200 as my steel and Alu choices... I had sworn off Aluminum but everyone swears the new CAAD7 is much more compliant and its light, the waterford is my emotional choice though I've heard some people say they were just too slow/ heavy - I have an 853 bike and an 853 MTB - its a tough call between the waterford and the TST...

I think I might get more attached to the waterford but the TST would be tougher and last longer....

Don't know anything about TST. Are you referring to the Cambria deal on those frames? Only 56 and 58 sizes available as I recall. Lot of history with the Habaneros, lots of satisfied customers, and Mark Hickey really seems to stand behind his product.

Decals are easy to remove, BTW :)

I am referring to the cambria deals - I require a 56 (sometimes 57). Somehow now that I am looking at lower end Ti the waterford seems more appealing. Maybe I am a snob but the Habanero just looks kind of crude compared to my litespeed - it also seems heavy, probably about the same weight as the 2200 which would probably have alot more character and be a bike I would cherish. I am pretty sure I don't want to buy a chinese/ taiwanese bike - I have a Giant and a KHS flite 800 - I want this to be my first real serious road bike - something comfy but raceable - I think the TST might work but nobody seems to know much about it. I dont see why I would spend more for the chinese habanero than the US made TST which looks like a better product and I believe is from a better engineering background. All these bikes seem to weigh about the same, 3-4 pounds, all are affordable (except litespeed vortex and ultimate - also I HATE carbon fiber seat stays and think buying a Ti bike with CF seat stays and an integrated headset is about like buying an aluminum bike in terms of longevity) What is the stiffest litespeed with a non integrated headset, Ti seat stays? I dont care what year as I dont mind buying used - also I would consider Merlin. I may just get the TST but I keep going in circles...

I am also giving some thought to a cervelo superprodigy or a soloist...

Seven cycles will tune the stiffness to your liking, plus they have some of the nicest workmanship in the business. The Axiom is a full Ti, non-integrated frame, built just the way you want it. I would stick with the stock geometry unless you have really strange dimensions.

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Couple of options:



Get Litespeed to do a custom Saber with a downtube that is wider where it meets the bottom bracket...

What's wrong with your current saber? Are you looking for a road bike? If road, go with an Ultimate or Vortex. The Blade is also incredibly stiff and great for bigger guys - although it's a lot of bread!!!



Have fun - CC

I am looking for a road bike - love my saber

I dont want carbon fiber seat stays otherwise I would be all over the ultimate (maybe I'm still considering it but I think they ruined the beautiful simple lines they had by gluing plastic in for the seat stays)

I think the classic is the best looking litespeed and its a 4.6 for stiffness! (what the hell are those bar graphs based on anyway?)

The majestic by MErckx is also a good looking bike - anyone know if thats stiff?