It will cost a shit ton. But.....How many folks in the "new" hospitals built in China are going to ever get out of there alive? Not many, not many.

One mans hospital is another mans morgue??
Something tells me that if you go into one of the "new" hospitals in China, you come out in a body bag

Yes but damn it we get to choose (well no we don't) well we get to pay it directly, and you must be an idiot to not see that individually paying $5200 (with no choice) is far far superior to paying the govt $760 and not being able to choose. Shhheeess damn foreigners.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

1 bullet is pretty cheap.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Hey we are not complete savages. In addition to public hospitals we also have private hospitals which allow the rich the opportunity to pay outrageous fees for the same treatment in a fancy hospital. They also get to choose (well not really) their doc and treatment options.

Yikes. Though technically the punishment was for violating quarantine (at least according to the article). Why on earth would someone do that in North Korea? I've only read a few books about the place, but I damn well know that I wouldn't violate a government quarantine.

Yes, as I noted on another of the 8076 threads on healthcare; a friend and I had quite similar surgeries a few years ago; I in the public system, she private. We compared notes afterwards, because I couldn't understand what "extra" I was missing out on as a public patient. (I chose my surgeon, I had a private room, follow up consults + physio all covered, $0 out of pocket). She spent about $4k in addition to her health insurance fees. We figured out that the difference was that she got wine with her dinner. Not even offered to public patients (and I did ask).

Does the Australian public system have a problem with wait times for some surgeries?

That is definitely one knock against our system in Canad- excuse me, Long Chile. It can take 6-12 months to get a new hip/knee etc. Those surgeries are deemed 'elective' (as if needing a new hip is something anyone would just decide not to do...) And those surgeries frequently get bumped for more critical procedures.

A good friend of mine needed back surgery for a slipped disc. He was in extreme pain, on a boat load of opiates, and had to wait nearly a full year. He was lucky he was young (mid 20's) with no family to care for or anything.

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Long Chile was a silly place.

Yes. The median wait time, for "elective" surgery. is about 40 days, with 1% of patients waiting more than 365 days.

I was just reading something about dental care, which I hadn't even considered. Funding for only about 20% of dental care. Some people wait over a year for basic dental procedures.

I just posted a link in the other thread about long wait times in Canada. Long wait times for joint replacements and basic dental care is torturous. That pain can be unbearable and make basic function or work near impossible.

There are "guaranteed" times for different types of surgery. They range from days to 6 months. Most surgeries can be accommodated well within the guarantee, and the average across all types is 40 days.

Personally, I've had 4 surgeries in the public system in the past 5 years (yeah, I had a bad run): brain, eye & shoulder twice. In each case I was able to choose a date within a month, as well as choose the surgeon. For the brain surgery I even decided to defer the surgery (to race IM, ttstttf) and still was able to easily re-schedule for the week after the race.

For the eye surgery the team was slammed, and I wasn't operated on until 7.00pm after being scheduled for 11.00am. For one of the shoulder surgeries I got bumped from Friday to Monday because of an intervening emergency surgery. Each of those I can happily live with.

For a number of specialist consultations (neuro, ortho), I've been sent to a public hospital clinic where they plow through a large number of patients in a single morning. You take a number and wait - worst was 90 minutes, usually about 10 - 20. Not ideal, but still generally better than paying several hundred bucks out of pocket.

Not exactly the same, but, here is a report o the MERS Coronavirus to at least give a general idea.

A complete set of relevant information was available only for 24 of 44 identified MERS-CoV cases. Patients were mostly females, and the mean age was 52 years. Diabetes, hypertension, and chronic kidney disease were the most frequent comorbidities. The length of hospital stay varied from 1 to 31 days, averaging 4.96 ± 7.29 days. Two of the 24 patients died. The total cost of managing a MERS case at the hospital ranged from $1278.41 to $75,987.95 with a mean cost of $12,947.03 ± $19,923.14.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...articles/PMC6844224/

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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In the US 40% of people don’t get needed dental care because they can’t afford it.

So do we care about the stats of rich people in the US or all people in the US? I think that’s the fundamental non-PC question we face here.

Do you personally not know any people who don’t have dental insurance?

https://www.norc.org/...re-because-cost.aspx

Yea I agree, dental costs in the US are ridiculous. What does that have to do with what I posted regarding Australia, though?

And Im not following your question at the end. Is it confusing or is it just late for me?

In Australia about 45% of people have full medical insurance. About another 10% have extra's only which covers dental, optical, physio, etc. The wait times for dental are terrible if you do not have insurance. School children have access to "free" dental, with "reasonable" waiting times, adults have to wait too long.

And thats a problem , to me.

Here is a better question that I was wondering about in the US. You show up at emergency with a cough, they diagnose Coronavirus but you feel ok and want to leave because you can’t afford a hospital stay. They force you to stay in quarantine. Who pays for the stay? If it is expressly against your wishes?

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Proud member of the MSF (Maple Syrup Mafia)

This is another reason why you need Bernie's Medicare for All (Actually, it should be called no brainer, common sense, every country has it but yours Medicare for All). If everyone is covered, you are less likely to have uninsured people running around spreading the disease. This is a potentially huge problem if it gets worse.

I believe it is a mix of county, state, and federal funds. The hospital I used to work at (and where my wife currently works at) just had 4 coronavirus patients transfer there for isolation and treatment

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Even crazier is how much less people get for their money in the US than they do in other countries:

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...2017_dec-2019-update

I've always had trouble understanding what people are REALLY defending when they try to prop up a system that's disproportionately expensive and kills their fellow citizens disproportionately quickly...