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So rule changes have been announced for next season. The biggest is a 3-batter minimum for pitchers. I don't like it. I understand they are trying to speed up the game, but this takes critical decision-making out of the managers' hands. According to the linked article, there were 2,162 pitcher appearances of 3 batters or less last year. But most of those, 1,471, finished with the end of a half-inning or the game.

The best example I can think of this sucking for managers is the middle of the 8th, and they bring in a new pitcher for a favorable match-up to get out of the 8th and setup the closer for the 9th. Now that pitcher is going to have to face batters in the 9th and they can't go to their closer to start the 9th. This will especially suck in the post season, where every out is critical and the game is on the line.

This is a huge, fundamental rule change, and as I said I don't like it at all.


https://www.espn.com/...minimum-rule-changes
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Re: MLB rule changes [zed707] [ In reply to ]
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Dude it's three batters OR the end of the half inning
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Re: MLB rule changes [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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All the roster rules about who counts as a pitcher is getting to be NFL level annoying
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Re: MLB rule changes [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Dude it's three batters OR the end of the half inning

Crap, missed that, thanks! I feel better now!
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Re: MLB rule changes [zed707] [ In reply to ]
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I'm disappointed they keep renewing the provisional DH rule in the AL.
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Re: MLB rule changes [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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I don't like this "escape clause" for the 3-batter minimum.


"the substitute pitcher sustains injury or illness which, in the umpire crew chief's judgement, incapacitates him from further play as a pitcher."

Could be some gaming of this clause.

A line drive to the pitcher's forehead, probably ought to take him out of the game. But what if he wants to stay in the game?

A blister on the pitcher's pinky, and the pitcher says he can't grip the ball. But what if the umpire says it doesn't look that bad?

Should there be some sort of "X-days on the DL" for a pitcher who is allowed to leave early for an injury?

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Re: MLB rule changes [zed707] [ In reply to ]
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If you don't like that rule, then make sure you don't read about the proposed changes to the playoffs. It's enough to ruffle your jimmies.






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Re: MLB rule changes [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
I'm disappointed they keep renewing the provisional DH rule in the AL.

Yeah, watching pitchers strike out to kill a rally is amazing.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: MLB rule changes [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
windywave wrote:
I'm disappointed they keep renewing the provisional DH rule in the AL.


Yeah, watching pitchers strike out to kill a rally is amazing.


But then you would not have gotten this:



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Re: MLB rule changes [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Your argument will fall on deaf ears. BLeP doesn't appreciate game strategy and the decisions on whether or not to pull a pitcher/ let them hit. He sees pitchers as sub-humans who only need to play half the game for twice the money while letting aging players who can't play D make up the other half.






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Re: MLB rule changes [zed707] [ In reply to ]
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Their focus on reducing the length of the games is to be applauded. This one may not reduce drastically the overall lengths, but I do look forward to the last two innings not dragging on like the end of b'ball and football games. Lefty hitters sure aren't complaining while some lefty relievers are now out of work.

The elephant in the room still remains removing the home plate umpire from calling balls and strikes and expanding the strike zone call to comply with how it is written in the rule book. Talk about reducing the length of the game meaningfully, this is the ticket to that end.
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Re: MLB rule changes [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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Tri-Banter wrote:
Your argument will fall on deaf ears. BLeP doesn't appreciate game strategy and the decisions on whether or not to pull a pitcher/ let them strike out . He sees pitchers as sub-humans who only need to play half the game for twice the money while letting aging players who can't play D make up the other half.


FIFY - they strike out well north of 40% of the time, watching pitchers go up there and either stand like a statue or flail helplessly isn't fun. And there is just as much strategy in pitching situations in the AL. They are just different.


They came up with the DH for a reason. In 1968 - before the DH - pitcher hit .132/.167/.171, good for a wRC+ of 1, in 9,024 PA's. In 2018 .115/.144/.148 in the major leagues in 5,135 plate appearances. That’s a -25 wRC+. https://tht.fangraphs.com/...of-pitchers-hitting/


And no pitcher who isn't named Ohtani works on their htting. Even in the NL. There is just too much risk of injury for something that isn't the reason they are in the majors. AL pitchers are worse than the NL, but not by much. "AL pitchers, in 2018, posted a .109/.129/.147 slash line; in 2017, .118/.154/.143. Both lines ranked well below their National League counterparts, who were good for a .116/.145/.149 line in 2018, and a .125/.157/.163 line in 2017."


Baseball fans want to be able to go to games without taking out a mortgage, more action on the field which means something other than K's and HR's, less down time, etc. MLB give us 3 hitter rules and stupid ass playoff plans.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: MLB rule changes [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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Tri-Banter wrote:
Your argument will fall on deaf ears. BLeP doesn't appreciate game strategy and the decisions on whether or not to pull a pitcher/ let them hit. He sees pitchers as sub-humans who only need to play half the game for twice the money while letting aging players who can't play D make up the other half.

Pitchers can't hit for shit. Why would anyone want to watch high school level hitters face major league pitching?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: MLB rule changes [Alvin Tostig] [ In reply to ]
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Alvin Tostig wrote:
I don't like this "escape clause" for the 3-batter minimum.


"the substitute pitcher sustains injury or illness which, in the umpire crew chief's judgement, incapacitates him from further play as a pitcher."

Could be some gaming of this clause.

A line drive to the pitcher's forehead, probably ought to take him out of the game. But what if he wants to stay in the game?

A blister on the pitcher's pinky, and the pitcher says he can't grip the ball. But what if the umpire says it doesn't look that bad?

Should there be some sort of "X-days on the DL" for a pitcher who is allowed to leave early for an injury?

I think a solution would be that if the pitcher claims an injury or illness to avoid the 3-batter minimum, that pitcher can't be used for the next 3 games. Or even forget the injury or illness requirement and simply make it any relief pitcher who doesn't meet the 3-batter minimum or pitch to the end of the inning is disqualified from the next 3 games. So the strategy of pitching to just one batter is still available, but it comes with a price.

What's Don Mattingly going to do?
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Re: MLB rule changes [gofigure] [ In reply to ]
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gofigure wrote:
Their focus on reducing the length of the games is to be applauded. This one may not reduce drastically the overall lengths, but I do look forward to the last two innings not dragging on like the end of b'ball and football games. Lefty hitters sure aren't complaining while some lefty relievers are now out of work.

The elephant in the room still remains removing the home plate umpire from calling balls and strikes and expanding the strike zone call to comply with how it is written in the rule book. Talk about reducing the length of the game meaningfully, this is the ticket to that end.

And there's a solution to an umpire's interpretation of the strike zone that is more accurate than any umpire's call.

To speed up the game, I'd like to see a rule that a batter can only call time to step out of the batter's box once per at bat. You can step out the box after a pitch, but once you step back in, you have to stay until the next pitch.
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Re: MLB rule changes [AlanShearer] [ In reply to ]
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AlanShearer wrote:
gofigure wrote:
Their focus on reducing the length of the games is to be applauded. This one may not reduce drastically the overall lengths, but I do look forward to the last two innings not dragging on like the end of b'ball and football games. Lefty hitters sure aren't complaining while some lefty relievers are now out of work.

The elephant in the room still remains removing the home plate umpire from calling balls and strikes and expanding the strike zone call to comply with how it is written in the rule book. Talk about reducing the length of the game meaningfully, this is the ticket to that end.


And there's a solution to an umpire's interpretation of the strike zone that is more accurate than any umpire's call.

To speed up the game, I'd like to see a rule that a batter can only call time to step out of the batter's box once per at bat. You can step out the box after a pitch, but once you step back in, you have to stay until the next pitch.

We could speed it up even more if we went to the rule we used playing softball in Boy Scouts and no one to call balls and strikes. 2 pitches. The pitcher is on the same team as the batter. I just don't think the length of the game itself is the problem. It is what is happening on the field during the 3:10 that pisses people off, not the 3:10 itself.

And I have much more problem knowing that 10 or so teams have no interest in competing for that year. I don't know how to fix that, but it has been bad and is getting worse.

We have had umps calling strikes forever. Yes there is discrepancy, but it is pretty are for them to be consistently bad. I actually kind of like there being a little variance as long as the calls are consistent.

Maybe we need the robo ump strike zone to vary just a little bit game to game. :) "Ohhhh, looks like the robo ump is giving the outside corner today!"

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: MLB rule changes [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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Robo umps are so far from being reliable it is laughable. Robot umps calling balls and strikes should not happen.

~Brad
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Re: MLB rule changes [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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If you're only watching the game for offense, then I'd agree. If you're paying attention to game strategy and how decisions are made from both side of the diamond, especially for the 7th and 8th batters. The dynamics change depending on the score, inning, pitch count, etc. I find that level of the game highly intriguing and one of the reasons I like watching the game. Just tossing some other dude in there who's only purpose is to hit makes the game more boring for me.






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Re: MLB rule changes [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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Tri-Banter wrote:
If you don't like that rule, then make sure you don't read about the proposed changes to the playoffs. It's enough to ruffle your jimmies.

^^^This - choosing your opponent brings a reality TV element to it. Not good.



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bradword wrote:
Robo umps are so far from being reliable it is laughable. Robot umps calling balls and strikes should not happen.

Look at tennis, the technology is there if they want to implement it
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