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(OT) A Question for A Mathamatician
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Why, in geometry, is slope represented by m?

(ST was my last resort for this question cause i cant find the answer on the web. answering this question gets me 10 bonus points and i need an A in geometry)
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Sir Velo] [ In reply to ]
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That Sir is cheating!

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [etocaj] [ In reply to ]
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i want 10 points and i dont remember the teacher saying asking a bunch of tri geeks is cheating.
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Sir Velo] [ In reply to ]
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You should brushen up on your web-search skills...first search, and first link gave me the answer. Try this in google:

"is slope represented with an "m"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slope

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Sir Velo] [ In reply to ]
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what's your grade in spelling? you might need to worry about that, too ;)

"mathematician"

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [tigerchik] [ In reply to ]
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 i have a 100 in gifted english 1 ty.

ty to all who replied.

A here i come!!! :)
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Sir Velo] [ In reply to ]
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I Googled: why is m used for slope

and got lots of good hits, the first one being: www.library.uiuc.edu/mtx/library/FAQ/5B.html

Why is the variable m used for slope of a function?

A short history for the various variables used to represent slope can be found at: http://members.aol.com/jeff570/geometry.html

This site states that,

"It is not known why the letter m was chosen for slope; the choice may have been arbitrary. John Conway has suggested m could stand for "modulus of slope." One high school algebra textbook says the reason for m is unknown, but remarks that it is interesting that the French word for 'to climb' is monter. However, there is no evidence to make any such connection. Descartes, who was French, did not use m. In Mathematical Circles Revisited (1971) mathematics historian Howard W. Eves suggests 'it just happened.'"

This seems to be the general consensus.


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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [NamssoB] [ In reply to ]
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i asked why, not if, slope is represented by an "M".
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Sir Velo] [ In reply to ]
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Aah - MY BAD!

Try this one then:

http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/questionCorner/slopeorigin.html

Not a definitive answer - but it sounds good to me.

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [NamssoB] [ In reply to ]
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ty, you guys are beastly. i should get help more offen, i mean i do have a test tommorow....
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Sir Velo] [ In reply to ]
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That's silly. It's just a symbol. You can call it "b" if you want to, as in y = a + bx.




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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Sir Velo] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.math.duke.edu/...lope/Slopederiv.html

the wikipedia page tells you slope is m but not the history. here is one page of history of the selection of m as slope. looks like the answer is no one knows for sure. the common but incorrect answer is that descartes used m but he didn't.

I searched using the following 3 words: history slope m

learning to use the correct key words in searches is a useful skill.
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [nickc] [ In reply to ]
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Every math professor knows that 'm' stands for slope because when you ask a student what the slope of this line is the answer is inevitably "mmmm..."
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [BottomFeeder] [ In reply to ]
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why the creepy pic?
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Sir Velo] [ In reply to ]
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The most widely accepted answer is the "m" stands for the French word "montar" (sp?)..which means "to climb"...rise over run thing...any way, I teach HS math and physics and every year offer the kids an extra credit point for the same question...although mathematicians debate this every year in dark room around the world, most agree that this is the most logical answer...

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [runnin'grizzly] [ In reply to ]
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Just an FYI "montar" is spanish, "monter" is french
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Tri 2 Tri] [ In reply to ]
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ty all for responding.

A, here i come :)
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Sir Velo] [ In reply to ]
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you can get an A in a math class for answering that question? in college????
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [FM.2.0] [ In reply to ]
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high school. lol, i wish in college
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Sir Velo] [ In reply to ]
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even in high school...
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [FM.2.0] [ In reply to ]
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re: "you can get an A in a math class for answering that question? in college???? even in high school . . ."

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The Evolution of Math: 1950-2006

Last week I purchased a PowerBar at the grocery store for $1.58. The counter girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:


1. Teaching Math In 1950

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.
His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?

2. Teaching Math In 1960
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

3. Teaching Math In 1970
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?

4. Teaching Math In 1980
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

5. Teaching Math In 1990
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living?
Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers.)



The 2006 example could be construed as an ethnic slur, so I won't post it. The scenario was also edited for Slowtwitch correctness: the original involved purchasing a burger at Burger King for $1.58. And I consider myself an environmentalist before anyone jumps all over me for #5. I know how things go on Slowtwitch!
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [HeidiC] [ In reply to ]
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"1. Teaching Math In 1950

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.
His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit? "

My math:

If he takes that profit and invests it into a 10 year deferred whole life joint annuity for him and his business partner with a payment that increases by 5% a year, payable until the death of the second life, what will be the insurance company's benefit reserve at policy year 15 if at least one partner is still alive?

And yes, my head explodes when I give the person at the drive through $5.03. I just want to scream, "Give me quarters back!" Or the guy I saw at a copy shop wanting 6 copies of a paper for 8 cents a copy. He asked for a calculator to figure out the price with.

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [tigerchik] [ In reply to ]
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Po-ta-toe, po-tah-toe. Ath-lete, ath-a-lete. It's all the same, isn't it?
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [HeidiC] [ In reply to ]
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re: "you can get an A in a math class for answering that question? in college???? even in high school . . ."

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The Evolution of Math: 1950-2006

Last week I purchased a PowerBar at the grocery store for $1.58. The counter girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. While he tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:


1. Teaching Math In 1950

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.
His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?

2. Teaching Math In 1960
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

3. Teaching Math In 1970
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?

4. Teaching Math In 1980
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

5. Teaching Math In 1990
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living?
Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers.)



The 2006 example could be construed as an ethnic slur, so I won't post it. The scenario was also edited for Slowtwitch correctness: the original involved purchasing a burger at Burger King for $1.58. And I consider myself an environmentalist before anyone jumps all over me for #5. I know how things go on Slowtwitch!


That's pretty good. True, also. I was teaching a freshmen (college) calculus class a few years ago. A student, using 9 steps of long division, on an exam, finally decided that 18000 divided by 6 was 3000. I wonder how long that calculation took?

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Sir Velo] [ In reply to ]
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In college we don't get bonus point questions like that.

We get a couple of big exams in each class, and that's your grade.

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [BottomFeeder] [ In reply to ]
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Is BF getting a free pass on that horrific picture? WTF is that all about? I really didn't need to start my day out that way...
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [tigerchik] [ In reply to ]
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I had a prof that once gave an exam that had the simple instruction of complete all blanks and each blank is worth the same mark. One blank was name! You wouldn't believe how many missed it. Of course the actual Q's were real mofo's.

Sorry, but many (not all) many kids today are dumb!

RV.
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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I'm amazed how waving the banner of "grades" and "test scores" encourages students to waste their time with college, parents their money, and taxpayers their property taxes.

The point of going to college (high school, pre-school, med-school, etc.) is to acquire a college-level education, not a college degree.

[sarcasm] How did DaVinci, Lincoln, Bohr, and others get sooooo smart without intense schooling??? [/sarcasm]

Thought question:
An 'A' in geometry should be indicative of the highest geometry knowledge, but is it if that 'A' came from answering a history question? Who's getting scammed here? The student for being patted on the head for being able (or unable in this case) to use Google? The parents for being told their child has the knowledge to advance further in their education? The school system because a teacher is literally giving away grades instead of education? Or the driver in the tunnel that gets squashed because some concrete fell based on crummy engineering calculations?

ps: holy crap, mathematician is spelled wrong!
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [GT] [ In reply to ]
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My math:

If he takes that profit and invests it into a 10 year deferred whole life joint annuity for him and his business partner with a payment that increases by 5% a year, payable until the death of the second life, what will be the insurance company's benefit reserve at policy year 15 if at least one partner is still alive?


No offense intended, but isn't there a function for that in Excel? Or maybe a couple buttons on a decent business calculator?


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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [tigerchik] [ In reply to ]
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Must be a liberal arts college!


Steve

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Xenu] [ In reply to ]
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"No offense intended, but isn't there a function for that in Excel? Or maybe a couple buttons on a decent business calculator? "

The term whole lofe annuity brings in mortality and puts it in another realm than interest alone. I could write a spreadsheet to do it, but it would not be easy. It would be very difficult and time consuming. They would not let me use it on an actuarial exam.

The joint whole life adds more difficulty as that uses joint mortality. The increasing payment adds yet more difficulty.

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [GT] [ In reply to ]
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I am ashamed to admit that I understood what you wrote. Got to love us actuaries!

Jen, ASA, EA

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [MrsQuadzilla] [ In reply to ]
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"I am ashamed to admit that I understood what you wrote. Got to love us actuaries! "

I didn't even want to get into the part about the benefit reserve, which is what I actually want calculated.

Tim, Peon, Sitting for Exan M

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [astrotri] [ In reply to ]
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It's even somewhat insulting to ask this question to a 'mathematician'...non insulting questions would be...are there an infinite number of twin primes, or are you sure the proof of nakamura conjecture is correct, is first order logic decidable?

but why m?? please...
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [HeidiC] [ In reply to ]
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Interestingly enough, I can't ever remember a clerk having a problem figuring out that if the total is $5.03 and I give them a $10 and 3 pennies I want a $5 back. I do this all the time without any problems.



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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [The_Mickstar] [ In reply to ]
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U Maine at Orono.

I've decided I'd like to be a college professor. The schedule I have right now is pretty nice (I'm a student, but the professors must have something similar only with a little less free time), access to a nice pool, good food in the Union... fall and winter and spring breaks...

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [edwinj] [ In reply to ]
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First, I should say that the above item wasn't my writing; it was one of those jokes we all get that fill up our email inboxes. But, I have this experience with cashiers all the time. You must be organized enough to give them the change before they've punched the amounts into the cash register, because my observation is that many are lost if they have to calculate it out themselves. I suppose it's not so bad when it's clear cut, like I give them $10.05 for a $5.05 bill, but when it's something like $5.05 and I give them $10.25, they are often (not always) hopelessly confused. I like to think they have just become too dependent on the machine doing the calculations, but could figure it out if they weren't "on the spot."
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [FM.2.0] [ In reply to ]
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What I still can't figure out is: what is slope doing in a geometry class? Shouldn't it be discussed in algebra?


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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [tigerchik] [ In reply to ]
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I've decided I'd like to be a college professor. The schedule I have right now is pretty nice (I'm a student, but the professors must have something similar only with a little less free time), access to a nice pool, good food in the Union... fall and winter and spring breaks...[/reply]

a *little* less free time? um, ok. everyone wants something for nothing.
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [CCF] [ In reply to ]
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"While he tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why do I tell you this? "

So you had to make the girl cry ?
shame on you for knowing math !!

dirt ;-)
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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [Sir Velo] [ In reply to ]
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y = m(x) + b !!!! y = m(x) + b !!!! Sorry, knowledge fart, happens every now and then. Too much education, I guess.

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Re: (OT) A Question for A Mathamatician [FM.2.0] [ In reply to ]
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"even in high school..."

The dumbing down of American education.

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