Bravo Florida, and three cheers for Republicans! All together now… “Hip hip…”

Truer words never spoken: said the anti-abortion laws being enacted by Florida and other red states are being vaguely written by people who don't understand medical science.

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clm
Nashville, TN
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The silver lining may be how hard this comes back to bite them in the ass at the next election.

And ultimately shows the problem of Trump and his Mega crowd.

The Anti-abortion from personal choice debate, could have taken a more educated route and lead to laws, that were more agreeable to the masses, but instead they just plowed in uneducated very poor medical laws, that have unintended consequences that only a few are really okay with.

I always like to look at these implementations as an indication of a group or parties, either true motives or organizational intelligence. This is just yet another where the MAGA movement shows what a shit show it is, and why I struggle so much with why what appear to be fairly well educated people still attach themselves to these people. And I don't mean it as a R vs D. The republican party had many opportunities over the past 4 yrs to move away and get back to center, but as I type this I realize this is probably no more than a continuation of the slide that started with the Tea Party movement, and has engaged passionate people, who are mostly just anti- what we have today mindset.

Clearly it has worked as they got Trump in office, and are very close to doing it again. But then what?

I think most expect Trump to just go off the rails, with personal attacks, and power grabs, which could get scary. But how much will the Rep. in the house and Senate work to get bills infront of him to sign that also further destroy this country (again not because of the Cons or liberal slant to the bills, but because they are just written so badly to have mass unintended consequences)? If re-elected I full expect a lawsuit in 4 yrs about the term limits, which, he would have a good shot at winning, (if he has not died from natural causes).

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

That's pretty well entrenched in the Constitution. I expect a more indefinite period of emergency powers due to something like "election interference." This was floated by some advisors close to Trump in 2019.

Women don't know they are pregnant up to 6 weeks,
.. if they don't take a pregnancy test. At least FL should provide free pregnancy tests.

How much of that 6 week time span do you think a pregnancy test will reliably report a positive?

Hint: the six weeks includes time before conception.

At least 4

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I won't be surprised if we see a case where the husband claims he raped the wife in order to get an abortion. If we had a non-viable fetus that was going to potentially harm my wife I could see having a rape on my record as a better alternative.

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The first time man split the atom was when the atom tried to hold Jens Voigt's wheel, but cracked.

That is wrong. 4 weeks in they may not of even had sex, let alone conceived.

The six weeks pregnancy starts at the end of the of the last period. So then the women needs to ovulate, which is ~2 weeks after the end. Then a home pregnancy test only starts show positive ~10 days after conception.

So you are looking at more like less than 2 weeks to maybe 3. Not “at least 4”.

I like to bash my conservative MAGA friends with the following:

There are 3 things not mentioned in the US Constitution:

- Abortion
- Presidential Immunity from Civil and Criminal Prosecution
- Christianity

If you are ok with a textual reading of the document for the first point, don't get upset when the rest of us take a textual reading of the last 2 points.

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"...the street finds its own uses for things"

Does the constitution anul declaration of Independence ? Also 14th amendment argues right to life ith out do process of law

The Declaration of Independence isn't really law.

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Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)

?. Pls articulate how it argues.

Better than giving free pregnancy test, it has been floated that the government should monitoring all women's pregnancies and investigate those that don't come to full term. Trump said he was on board with the idea.
https://www.huffpost.com/...23ffe4b0849b2edd2cf3

What the hell are you talking about, I read what your wrote to say, 4 weeks after getting pregnant they might not even have had sex.. Can you explain how that is possible?

I know 27yrs ago, 1 week after having sex my wife's pregnancy test came back positive, actually that happened 27, 24, and 21 yrs ago. So I'll still with 4 weeks.

I don't now florida law, but I doubt it says you have 6 weeks from ovulation to get an abortion.

But at least you agree with me on the test will show positive less than 2 weeks after you get pregnant so Although you said I was wrong, you then turn around and say yes you would have about 4 weeks to know you are pregnant. Now to have this early warning you need to be taking a pregnancy test about week after each time you had sex. But if you live in Florida that is what you are now required to do if you think you might want an abortion if pregnant.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Is this in the Florida law??? How will they determine when the women had her last period?

I believe age of the fetus is determined through ultrasound approximation, but again, I did not read the florida law.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Don’t forget door number 2! If you actually need an abortion to save your life you can get one once you reach the point of actively dying.

Are there other healthcare interventions that require doctors to wait for you to go into septic shock to implement?

Crazy that the issue that made abortion legal in Ireland - is where we decided to go with women’s healthcare.

That was my point, I for one don't want to get into the debate of how many weeks till you can choose an abortion.

But the law is (as many of Maga bills) so poorly that it has a ton of other implications that most people don't really want to be impacted. Which is also a sign of bad bill.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

So you only had sex one time?

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clm
Nashville, TN
https://twitter.com/ironclm | http://ironclm.typepad.com

Maybe you weren't doing it right DaveHamm.

I know it has been a while for you, but that is how it is done. For example, a full term birth is 39-41 weeks defined as week since the last period as that is an easy date to know.

At 6 weeks (which is really 4 weeks or less since conception) you can't detect the fetus using ultrasound. Pregnancy tests are not accurate until at least 3 weeks into a pregnancy.

It is possible because pregnancy is measured form first day of the woman’s last period. It is not measured from when you conceive.

So four weeks after the first day of your last period, you have sex and conceive. That would result in the sex that caused the pregnancy happened 4 weeks into the “6 weeks pregnant”.

This thread explains it:
https://x.com/...XKV1ghhjJ-gpfjpVyTqg

Pregnancy is measured that way for medical reasons.

Well if you want the details, for the first kid, we started unprotected sex after she ovulated, and a week later she tested positive, its possible we got pregnant on one of the later tries, but it was about 10 days after we started unprotected sex she was pregnant. As 2 engineers this was all thought out and planned, and yeah pretty much all three kids took 1 try. Your right its possible that it was later, rounds, but they would just go to show the test doesn't even need a week to show a positive. (also why my kids are all born in about a 2.5 week window. The first 2 have B-days 5 days apart, but the 2nd kid who was earlier, they broke my wifes water, (wife was not happy) kid was born a few hours later.

She wanted to be pregnant in the winter, and ready to rollerblade by spring, so we planned for a late Jan early Feb, birthdays.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

You are using terms Doctors use for defining pregnancy. But there are many situations where the patient does not have consistent periods and they dont know a date, so they use the size of the fetus to determine it.

Couldn't follow link don't do twitter.

I don't know Florida law and how they will determine when the 6 week process starts. Again, the 6 weeks is not the issue, that makes this a bad bill, there are many other issues with it for me.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

There are ways to have sex and not get pregnant. And if you all really want to know the details, my wife was on the pill and I still wore a condom.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Yes, that is the law. Almost like it is horrible law!


How will they determine? They can look at development, if it looks like the embryo was developed enough to have been conceived of more than 2 weeks ago, then the person is 6 weeks pregnant.

Of course a pregnancy conceived ~ 2 weeks ago may not be visible on an ultrasound. So they won’t perform and abortion, even with a positive test, because it could be ectopic, so that makes it even harder to get an abortion before 6 weeks.

I am just messing with you. Just saw a chance at a poorly timed joke and took it.

I am sure as two engineers you guys had it figured out.

I was using the term the Florida law uses.



Then the definition of gestational age:

https://americanpregnancy.org/...t/fetal-development/




What you think the law is using is “fetal age”, but it clearly uses gestational age.

Okay, as I said numerous times, I don't know Florida law. Sounds like its even badly written when determining age.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.