Wait until you hit 60...............
I still have a physical job and am sore every day. Add the training I am doing now and I wonder how the hell I did what I did 20 years ago

I'm right there with you. Even if I do an easy session I feel tight the next day. I will admit I need to drink more water. I should probably also add a stretching session too.

I wonder how much it is just becoming more sensitive to it? I feel like I'm chronically sore, especially if I do anything slightly different, but then again, when I think back I can remember often being sore from exercise when I was younger too.

I am wondering the same thing.

I had some pretty good results in my late 40s/early 50s was recovering well from high volume+intensity.

This was followed by some bad years.

I am currently doing much lower volume.
But still don't seem to be recovering well.

Inside every old person is a young person asking "What the hell happened?"

My guess is that it’s the impact on the body from running. It causes so much of this and dramatically decreases are speed as we get older.

You look at Swimming and biking in the fall off, is not nearly as radical as it is with running times

That's a signature waiting to happen LOL

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It happened to me as I passed 50, so I'm going with normal.....and it sucks.

Just hit 50, and this hasn't happened to me. It's probable my capacity for higher-intensity training has decreased, but it does not manifest itself as muscle soreness, or any muscular issue.

In my 63 year old experience, as my body declines, I keep trying harder to maintain younger numbers. That’s what keeps me sore all the time. If I cut back and acted my age, I could reduce the soreness. Or keep pushing, and suffer the consequences 😁

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I heard this line in a song not long ago, and I think it resonates

I've been through the wars
But that creaking you hear in my bones,
It's not pain; it's applause

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It is most likely just getting older. Right around 50 is when mad calf disease begins to rear its ugly head, and no doubt from the lack of elasticity throughout our aging bodies. And contributing to this issue is our mind set too. At 50 you are still living in your 30/40's, and you think everything should just work the same. This is the first rude wake up call, and there will be many more over the advancing AG's you got coming your way.

I'm still living in my head in my late 50's, and having to readjust constantly each year now(late 60's) as to what I can and cannot do. Best if you just accept the new paradigm as quickly as possible, and then make good plans for what is possible, not what was. And try to incorporate more recovery stuff too, stretching, massage, light weights to balance out imbalances, stuff like that..And of course sleep, #1 factor going forward, gotta get good sleep or everything just falls apart no matter what. The days of pulling all nighters and then getting up and hammering the hangover out of you are long gone. You pay for each and every extra drink, or hour of sleep you miss going forward...

Or you can go to a longevity doc and get your 30 year old recovery back, but just doesnt seem right to me until your real quality of life is so bad, that it is time to hang up the competition and just train for life...

Approaching 50? Hmmm....everyone is different, particularly as it pertains to age related issues, but I was still doing some pretty intense run-sessions (I suppose I still am) at 49-51. Looking back at my training log from 2019 (age 51) I was doing 15x60s Hill Repeats (max effort) every Saturday. Some soreness from such a session was normal. But, my philosophy is "never do something today that prevents you from following the plan tomorrow/the next day". So, I "never" dig a hole I can't recover from.


How often do you run?

I'm 55. Run 6 days a week...mostly BarryP style with 1-2 harder workouts per week. I certainly get sore when I add something new the first couple of times. But, I still run hills, do 6x600@5k, 8x400@2k, 4x1mi @10k, Mona Fartleks, etc. For instance, in the last 6 days:

Tue: 2mi @ 5k, 2x400m @ 5k
Wed: 4.5mi easy
Thu: Mona Fartlek @5k, 2.6m @10k
Fri: 3.5mi easy
Sat: 5x600m @5k
Sun: 4x600m @5k

This is a taper week (for a 5k on T-day)...so, there's a little more speed than I would normally have. Typically, I do mile-repeats on Tuesday, and some type of speed session on Thursday. Everything else is zone1/easy. All that said, I do work up to these types of sessions progressively. If I didn't, they would certainly set me back.

ETA: I'm 12ish years younger than Monty. But, I agree with everything he says. I hardly drink anymore (not because I don't like a good bourbon). 3 max in a night, once a week---Typically before my off-day. I do take a complete OFF day, once a week. I try to prioritize sleep....but, I'm not great at it---I've never slept more than 6 hrs / night going back to when I was a toddler.

Also, I put extra emphasis on in-workout fueling/hydration to minimize the recovery costs of dehydrating/glycogen depletion. That's probably been the biggest game changer in the last year or so, from Dr. Alex posts. Staying hydrated and fueled, has made a big difference in how hard I can go, and how often. There's a dramatic difference when I f*ck it up.

I think that one may have hit me. I'm a very infrequent drinker to begin with, but a few months ago I had one beer, and felt awful the next day. Thought it was unrelated. But then last week I had another single pint of average beer, and the next morning as I sat up I felt a slight "spin" as if I'd gone to a college kegger. And felt bad all day again.

I fear I'm now the lightest of lightweights.

Does this happen regardless of running surface? I'm 48 and do 80+% of my running on trails and I notice significant increases in muscle soreness if I've been running on the road more than normal. Also, I try to pair harder run days with swimming afterwards (either immediately after if possible, or later the same day) and that really helps with avoiding muscle soreness. My take is that you can still train hard as you age but you absolutely have to train smart, there is not the same margin for error as when you're younger.

both things are true - it's normal, and you need to pay more attention to recovery, foam rolling, yoga etc etc.
Diet is not likely to be a factor unless you're eating SAD (the Standard American Diet, Mickey D's for breakfast and hamburger for dinner).

It's a full-time job staying fit after 50..

I've all but given up on alcohol for the same reason.

I did a trail race earlier this year and was having a rough time of it. When I got to an aid station they said the traditional “you’re looking great!” line. My response was: “I may not look my age but right now I’m feeling Every Single Year”.

Running was so much easier ten years ago...

As long as your base was big - you don't need extra :)

I’m curious how tall are you and how much do you weigh?

Wondering if weight is part of all this

I’m curious how tall are you and how much do you weigh?

Wondering if weight is part of all this

I'm in the same boat. Yes, it's def harder to insta-recover when we're older. But as well, lets be real - at 50, its not that bad compared to your prime unless you were an elite or collegiate-level runner in your prime. If you weren't from a competitive run background, chances are high you can run faster at 50 than you did in your non-competitive 20s-30s.

But yes, it's easier to get injured, for sure. And doing triathlon does us no favors on this as well - you'd think running LESS would help you stay less run-injured, but it's actually the opposite - running less just lets your run-specific tendons and muscles not retain the resilience they need to not get injured when they suddenly go hard.

The tips I've found the hard way that have let me keep running reasonably close to my heyday -
- Never stop run training. Meaning no big breaks of like 2 months off - preferably max 2 weeks off running at any point, but get right back into it. At our age, if you dont' use it, not only will you just lose it - you risk the real chance of losing it permanently.
- But don't run TOO much. You have to stay under the mileage that will lead you to start breaking yourself, and often it's not as high as you think. In particular, the rate of mileage increase is hugely important.
- At our age, don't do stupid stuff with running. You know, the stuff you did when you were 20, like deciding to run a half marathon on a whim even though you've only been training for a 5k and have done few to no long runs. This includes hero workouts.
- Training plans are your friend. Because they have built-in ramps in volume that prevent you from doing stupid stuff like doubling your running one week just because you feel great that week. With sustained training builds, I've been able to run speeds I felt were literally impossible at the start of the plan. If you're getting beat up on your runs more often than not, if you're not on a plan, you should be unless you want to feel worse and worse the way you're doing it.
- Accept that you WILL suffer minor injuries in running, despite taking high precautions, and be ready for them with substitutes. Once you learn to swap in things like pool running, arctrainer, or whatever works for you, you'll feel less bad about run setbacks. Note that swim-bike alone isn't enough to help accelerate a true run comeback - it'll go faster and likely be mentally better if you are doing things that will actually help the run muscles in addition so Bike-swim.

I'm 5' 11" , currently 161 lbs.

In 2019, I was 151 lbs.
In 2020, after surgery I was 142 lbs. <-----Working on getting back to this.

My training volume and quality are pretty good and I stay consistent but recovery has been getting slower as I get older. Do a lot of foam roll, massage, sleep deep & well and stuff. You get to the point where you can’t push too hard anymore. It’s always second day hurts the most for me, not the day after so I know exactly what I need to do recover faster. Don’t get too caught up on your routine and habit. It’s better to rest some days if you need to.

Yes, I concur. I often find that the first day after a quality session, I actually feel really good. That's the tricky part. You just have to know that day two is going to be less good, and go easy even though you feel good.

"Wake up with tight and sore calf's and achilles etc"

If you are running in plated shoes often, it could be from that.

In my n=1 I def disagree with this.

I ran in lots of soft, cushy maxi shoes for several years. Then in the past 1.5 yrs I've switched over to all Alphafly/VF. The Alphafly is better than the maxi shoes for both impact reduction as well as the ankle pain I get when I run a lot from my ankle arthritis.

Its true that there's an adaptation period if you only sporadically use the AF/VF, and yes, you can def get injured if you only bust it out on race day but are coming from normal shoes. However ever since I've fully transitioned to training/racing in AF, zero problems.

FWIW as well, lots of marathoners now swear by training in AFs as well as racing in them, for its vaunted 'leg saving' effect, which I can confirm is real. So the exact opposite of worsening of sore calfs/achilles as long as you're using them regularly.

I started to notice what you describe at 48 years old

I agree with this....but, its not quite consistent with the items below..and I don't quite agree with them.


I agree rate-of-increase matters. I don't know that "not running too much" is as true. At least not in any material way for someone "approaching 50." I've run a LOT in the last 5 years, in excess of 100 mpw for months on end. But, I believe in lots of slow, easy running being the key to making that work.


I definitely do not agree with this. Injuries should not be a part of anyone's plan or expectations. I agree with being prepared with alternatives, and multiple modalities. But, no one should expect that injury is just part of the deal. Anyone getting injured, should look at the causes, and fix them so they don't happen. As above, I'm a VERY firm believer in the lots of slow, high frequency, easy running.

I was an injury prone runner in my 20s and 30s....I ran too hard, too often. In my late 40s I learned the BarryP way...and I've been almost entirely injury free since adopting that approach, 8 years ago. I've had two, total. One wasn't even a run injury...I pulled a groin treading water waiting to get out of the water on a course familiarization swim. Granted I ran the race the next day, with enough advil to stop a horse. So, that was just stupidity.

Note that when I refer to 'injuries' I'm including little niggles and jiggles (and more), so I'm not saying you WILL have a season-ending running injury over 50. But you WILL have small strains and soreness as you push the volume and intensity, so I'm calling those injuries that may limit your training for 1 or more workouts, or even require a few days off. Some folks don't call those real injuries, but I'm including them. If you're pushing your run boundaries, which you can absolutely still do at age 50, you're going to get niggles/injuries, the key is keeping them minimal. I still do have the opinion though, that even the best-laid plans and prep can go south, and Ive found that you'd best prepare for a running injury rather than be caught out if you're still racing hard.

I'm with you on the lots of slow, easy running. At age 50+, the more that you can tolerate without injury or risk, the better you will be for overall running health. At 50+, you MIGHT be able to get away with a minimalist running approach of least miles possible, but its wayyy riskier to do that compared to a 20-30 yr old. And speedwork at age 50 shouldn't disappear either, but I'd definitely insist it be backed by the requisite low-intensity volume.

Aging plays a role, but man … being super well hydrated (along w lots of electrolytes), and lots of protein, does wonders for me

I certainly agree on the hydration + electrolytes. Anytime I finish a run depleted, I'm toast the next day. Dr. Alex has ruined my ability to suffer from poorly hydrated and fueled runs.

I eat normal protein at ~1.5 g / kg.

Do I dare ask about stretching here?

I still/again maintain a flexibility routine before my runs, and a mid-day practice when I get a chance

I also strength-train at least twice a week (a push day & a pull day) because the body craves squats, y'know?

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56 year old experience here. 5'11" ish (I've def shrunk from the 6'0.5"!) about 136-140lbs. I mostly cycle and dog walk. Somewhere around 45 I had to start cutting back on volume a bit. Finally when I couldnt quite reach peak numbers (even for the best few weeks each year) - I started strength training.
strength training was a whole new level of soreness compared to riding hard. As a middle school xc coach I ran about 10 weeks a year and it hurt more and more every year.
Now I lift 1x/wk all year and 2-3x from Nov-March. I run about 15 miles/wk for the same time period. I try very hard to get half of the run on trails with the dog. In a bout of true crazy - I'm gearing up for a turkey trot 5k with only 4 weeks or so of running. I run mostly 830 and slower miles but I made a bet to NOT cut my hair if I could run sub 20. the 2 track workouts I did in prep said to me: some type of speed work is the only way to run faster / be very careful with too much too soon. (it also said I'm likely still 20-30 secs short of keeping my hair - bummer!)
My 56 year old experience says -
do different types of activities to preserve a lil resilience (lift all year round / might even have to do 2 trail runs/wk all year/ pickleball - NEVER!)
be patient to wait to do harder work until a longer pattern of easy has been ingrained. I def was NOT ready for speed running so soon, though i'm close now
be patient that the glory of your best approx of your fastest self will only last a MUCH shorter window (a few weeks max for me). this means giving up really hard work for a while until I can build back up slowly after a peak and the subsequent decline.

for me the same basic training ideas ring true - big volume / a lil recovery / above thresh work (lactic acid tolerance)/ several weeks to adapt = peak. I just have to build to that big volume very methodically so it doesnt kill me.
mentally i need the exercise - so i've learned to kind of enjoy lots of slow jogs/trainer rides/lighter lifts to fill the exercise craving and committing to some stretching, mobility (the hips do not like moving in any plane other than straight ahead) every night. What ever keeps the fire going for doing easy workouts (the only way I'd ever be able to build to harder stuff) is worth it in my mind - traveling for great rides/ great indoor set up etc..

"do different types of activities to preserve a lil resilience"

May your God bless you for NOT using "resiliency"

"pickleball - NEVER!!!"

I've noticed that many large abandoned spaces in our area (formerly Kmart, Sears, Office Depot) are being converted to indoor pickleball facilities; because of the high ceilings I guess?

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"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

I disagree on this as well. I’ve tried several different shoes and I run about 90-100 miles a months. I always rotate shoes and my legs feel more fresh with good plated shoes especially VF3 lately. On the other hand, I developed plantar fasciitis from Asics Metaspeed a year ago and it took 8-9 months to heal. Anyway, there are pros and cons but definitely legs are less tired. I’m skinny and lost weight so basically no cushions on my feet either.

More then likely you have neglected doing strength training especially applying load to tendons through high load low rep exercises.

Tendons lose stiffness as we age and the only way to maintain stiffness in a tendon is to load it through plyometrics and strength training. The Achilles and calf complex bare a lot of load in running so once the capacity starts to diminish in tendon stiffness everything up the chain will work harder.
Same applies at the hamstring, glute and knee (patella tendon)

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Depends on your running age….the pounding over the years can really have an impact. So if you started early and have run allot of miles it can easily start to catch up with you in your late 40s. If so I have found focusing on mobility can really help. Meaning, using weight training to stress the limits of your joints….but don’t over do it! I also stretch my lower back allot at the end of my swim workouts….the spine at the bottom really gets jammed together from years of running.

One big mistake I made when entering my 50s was not adjusting my training load from my 30s/40s which caused injuries and didn’t allow me to be consistent with my training…which leads to more injuries and up/down performance. So here my advice is more rest during the week and focus on overall year to year build verses trying to hit weekly mileage goals. I have even toyed with a two week plan verses a one week plan spreading the workouts over a longer period.

Food and sleep become even more important as you age. I focus on good sleep, less vodka and more balanced diet.

Good luck on your journey…the main thing is to get moving everyday.

My personal experience is the opposite. People who started running around high school and never stopped do just fine in their 50's. Our bodies are both highly highly adapted to the stresses and we have a keen ability to "listen" to our bodies.

But being a "late onset" runner in your 50's is much, much harder from an injury prevention standpoint.

Can I please request that you not take the same measures to get there? ❤️


This might be more individual than you think. I'm only 44, but due to tearing my right ankle apart in 2018 in a snowboarding crash, my running mechanics (which were never great) are pretty messy. The ankle never healed right, and I have severely limited dorsiflexion as a result, which throws off the entire right side of my body when running. I've never been able to return to my pre-injury mileage, even running slow and easy and incorporating lots of walking breaks, and varying surfaces and shoes. Sometimes accumulated damage means things can't be fixed enough to prevent further injuries, but fortunately I am lucky enough to be able to slog through quite long races (I did two 100 mile or greater races 10 weeks apart this fall) on only about 35-40mpw, with a peak of around 50mpw. Definitely not ideal and I know I'd finish faster and more comfortably if I could train more, but I'd rather get lower, consistent mileage (6 days/week) than try to push higher mileage and have to take time off to let things heal.


I think strength training 4 days/week is a big contributor to my ability to finish long races on comparatively minimal mileage. As for stretching, I do think I have benefited from getting back in net and stretching both on and off the ice (10-15mins of yoga a couple of times per week plus pre-game on-ice), but some of that is confounded by goaltending's unique, destructive stresses on hips and knees. If I could persuade myself to keep the mobility work and give up stopping pucks I know I'd be in better condition for it, but dammit I'm having too much fun!

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Yes, ma'am. Once was enough.

After 40 years of running, I fully appreciate the individual nature of "what works". The intent of my expression is simply that more slow, is generally better than less fast. If you are able to do more that's better than faster. The trick is what anyone is able to do.

im near same height and weight and I feel anorexic looking.... of course body composition matters. To the OP maybe do look at the diet/sleep/stress. I see many bragging they are on the SAD (McD's etc) and still can perform, but eventually will hit them like a sack of bricks

Some really great points raised so far!

So I had a couple of remedial massage sessions and wow what a change! Legs felt instantly better the next day!! So I guess this means a few things,

-I'm getting older and whilst stretching was for old farts I'm now an old fart and need to stretch..
-Since I'm an old fart I need to incorporate strength and conditioning as it's a matter of not if but when if I continue to neglect
-Since I'm an old fart I need to focus on nutrition and in particular hydration-the last few months have been killers at work so living on 6 cups+ a day so probably dehydrated also
-Incorporate remedial massage
-Bought some new sneakers, hot tip NB 1080V13's are the ducks nuts!

https://dumbrunner.com/...ng-or-just-being-old

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

That is awesome!!!!

Daniel ("Danny") Glover is also well-known for "I'm getting too old for this shit!!!"

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin