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Nov 27, 22 8:13

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Prices include shipping.

PremierBike Disc - $755 - Link

~1290g
25mm external/unknown internal (Probably 18mm) UPDATED: 26.22mm external width
normally $855
sale end unknown
USA Based

Aeron X Disc - $814 - Link

~1100g
25.6mm external/18mm internal
normally $1221
sale ends Dec 2nd
have to pay USA customs fees on entry to the country?

LightBicycle UFO-C21 - $859 - Link

~1150g
28mm external/21mm internal
normally $996
sale ends Dec 1st
have to pay USA customs fees on entry to the country?

Yeoleo D5 Disc - $939 - Link

~1250g
25mm external/18.5mm internal
normally $1354?
sale ends unknown
have to pay USA customs fees on entry to the country?

Elitewheels Velo TT - $670 - Link

~1250g
25mm external/18.2mm internal
normally $unknown
sale ends Nov 30th
have to pay USA customs fees on entry to the country?

I added the 3 far east brands, but my main considerations are the Aeron X Disc and PremierBike Disc right now. Originally was interested in the LightBicycle UFO Disc but I've read a few comments on this forum that some people decided to return them, or just flat out cancel their order when seeing the pictures before they delivered them. The 21mm internal width was a concern, possibly making 25mm tires much wider, but it has the 28mm external to make up for it too. Read that the Elitewheels have shit hubs on here. Haven't really seen anything good or bad about the Yeoleo on here. The Aeron X is in the lead in my head right now because of the 25.6mm external width, as I predict this to be the fastest rim with 25mm tires. It also has the weight and looks on it's side.

They are all full carbon I believe, so they should all make the fabled whoosh whoosh sound, yes? 🙂

Thoughts? What would you get?

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Nov 27, 22 8:57

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I’d go for either Premier or Aerocoach

Both companies owned/run by great guys who are contributors to the forum so I’d rather support them than the others

Matt

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Nov 27, 22 9:00

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Tell the non-US sellers to declare the value under $800 so that no duty is owed.

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ronbizkit

Nov 27, 22 9:18

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I’ve been very happy with my premier wheels.

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Nov 27, 22 9:43

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jimatbeyond wrote:

Tell the non-US sellers to declare the value under $800 so that no duty is owed.

Why I am I not surprised you would recommend committing customs fraud

Matt

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Nov 27, 22 9:54

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Chemist wrote:

I’d go for either Premier or Aerocoach

Both companies owned/run by great guys who are contributors to the forum so I’d rather support them than the others

Aerocoach is just out of budget unless they bring back their ex demo/team equipment soon.

No love for Aeron x from anyone?

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m@tty

Nov 27, 22 10:33

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I use a Ron5 and pretty happy with it!
As I would have to pay customs and tax on delivery to the UK I contacted them and they invoiced me for it with the VAT deducted.

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Nov 27, 22 11:54

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m@tty wrote:

I use a Ron5 and pretty happy with it!
As I would have to pay customs and tax on delivery to the UK I contacted them and they invoiced me for it with the VAT deducted.

Smart idea, I appreciate it.

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jorgegr

Nov 27, 22 12:14

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HED Jet RCD 1280g is currently: $960 with their current 20% off.

https://hedcycling.com/products/jet-rc-performance-series/?sku=SKU-36B5D26E

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Nov 27, 22 12:18

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jorgegr wrote:

HED Jet RCD 1280g is currently: $960 with their current 20% off.

https://hedcycling.com/products/jet-rc-performance-series/?sku=SKU-36B5D26E

I would have included HED but I want a full structurally carbon disc, plus I don't like the look of the silver aluminum brake track.

Also seems like some of the other options, (Aeron, PremierBike) are testing faster than HED.

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lastlap

Nov 27, 22 12:19

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Prime 343 Carbon Rear Road Disc Wheel | Chain Reaction (chainreactioncycles.com)

$612
1.23KG's
Whoop whoop sound
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Nov 27, 22 12:26

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Sorry, but my suppliers declare a low value on all of my shipments because there are many ways of valuing items.

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Nov 27, 22 12:29

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lastlap wrote:

Prime 343 Carbon Rear Road Disc Wheel | Chain Reaction (chainreactioncycles.com)

$612
1.23KG's
Whoop whoop sound
/thread....

Rim brake version is $754.99. I don't really like the Prime brand. Prime and Superteam are a no-go for me. Elitewheels are on the line.

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lastlap

Nov 27, 22 12:32

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treyxt wrote:

lastlap wrote:

Prime 343 Carbon Rear Road Disc Wheel | Chain Reaction (chainreactioncycles.com)

$612
1.23KG's
Whoop whoop sound
/thread....

Rim brake version is $754.99. I don't really like the Prime brand. Prime and Superteam are a no-go for me. Elitewheels are on the line.

Why don't you like the Prime? I love mine and thats coming from someone who has had Zipps previously. Id choose the Prime over a Zipp even if they were both free. Plus no US custom fees...

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jorgegr

Nov 27, 22 12:42

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I have the RCD Black rim brake has a black aluminum rim. For me competing in the Pacific Northwest I wanted wheels with great wet braking performance.

I would be curious to see the stats that compare performance.

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thin_concrete

Nov 27, 22 13:27

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Flo’s disc is at $1,150 before their current $200 off Black Friday special. Might be worth a look. I ran Flo 45s on my P3 and was very happy with them. Sold the bike but kept the wheels.

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Nov 27, 22 15:03

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The Aeron X has a grooved brake track. The Premierbike disc has a scuffed surface, not grooved though like hed/aeron. The hed jet black version is just a bit out of my price range.

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Nov 27, 22 15:13

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jimatbeyond wrote:

Sorry, but my suppliers declare a low value on all of my shipments because there are many ways of valuing items.

The fact you are trying to justify committing fraud also does not surprise me

Matt

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Nov 27, 22 15:49

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I will do it every day of the week and not even think about it.

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Nov 28, 22 0:22

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Each response makes you look worse, yet each response is also less surprising. Funny how that works.

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habbywall

Nov 28, 22 4:35

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BigBoyND wrote:

Each response makes you look worse, yet each response is also less surprising. Funny how that works.

Interesting attempt at being the moral high ground given your recent recommendation of fraud on other topics.

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Nov 28, 22 5:19

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habbywall wrote:

BigBoyND wrote:

Each response makes you look worse, yet each response is also less surprising. Funny how that works.

Interesting attempt at being the moral high ground given your recent recommendation of fraud on other topics.

Where did I recommend fraud?

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Ohio_Roadie

Nov 28, 22 5:43

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Just got this quote from LightBicycle.

“The rear Trilight-c21 disc with Chosen hub is USD645/each, with 15% off coverage, the price is USD548.25
Sum total include MTS-Sea shiping: USD621.32.”

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Nov 28, 22 6:03

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That is their old disc design, UFO is the new one.

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Nov 28, 22 8:01

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I don't see how it looks worse, just smart.

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Rfitz24

Nov 28, 22 8:51

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Does anyone have any experience with the new Hunt Disc wheel?

It is listed for $999. It looks like it is pre-order only right now so depending on your timeline to purchase might not be a viable option.

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Nov 28, 22 10:34

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True, I guess the difference is just 25mm external/21mm internal on the UFO vs the 25mm external/17.4mm internal on the older one.

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lastlap

Nov 28, 22 10:40

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treyxt wrote:

True, I guess the difference is just 25mm external/21mm internal on the UFO vs the 25mm external/17.4mm internal on the older one.

Are you going to explain why you don't like the prime wheel?

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rowleycd

Nov 28, 22 10:45

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I really like the Yoeleo disc wheel. I bought one for my BMC TM01 and have rode 2 seasons on it. It is super easy to set up tubeless as well if that is your thing. Mine had a Velcro valve cover, but the velcro didn't stick well. So I just lightly sanded the glue spot and put it back on with super glue and have had no issues since.

I came from a tubular Zipp 900, and the big selling point for me was the wider rim, since the newer BMC rim brake models (2017ish +) were designed around wider rims.

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Nov 28, 22 13:57

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lastlap wrote:

treyxt wrote:

True, I guess the difference is just 25mm external/21mm internal on the UFO vs the 25mm external/17.4mm internal on the older one.

Are you going to explain why you don't like the prime wheel?

Perhaps I misjudged, I thought prime was equivalent of superteam wheels to be honest.

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Nov 28, 22 14:19

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Rfitz24 wrote:

Looks new? Also Disc brake only it seems, I'll need rim. Timing isn't really an issue unless there is a deal that will end.

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Nov 28, 22 14:23

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rowleycd wrote:

Was curious if anyone would chime in on Yeoleo. It looks like a nice wheel, but the price is a bit higher than the others. Also doesn't look like there's any grooves in the brake track there either.

Leaning more and more towards Aeron X with the lightest weight, 25.6mm external vs the 25mm of the others, and grooved brake tracks...

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zedzded

Nov 28, 22 14:37

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treyxt wrote:

lastlap wrote:

treyxt wrote:

True, I guess the difference is just 25mm external/21mm internal on the UFO vs the 25mm external/17.4mm internal on the older one.

Are you going to explain why you don't like the prime wheel?

Perhaps I misjudged, I thought prime was equivalent of superteam wheels to be honest.

What are Superteam wheels? Prime seem to be selling OK, every time I've gone to buy wheels they've sold out! From what I've read, they are chinese wheels, built in the UK and sold by Wiggle/CR. Did I get that right? Kind of similar to Caden Wheels in Australia.

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_Nickel_

Nov 28, 22 14:59

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The Aeron X is not structural carbon, it's a steel spoked carbon rim with a carbon cover. Mine is also quite a bit heavier than advertised (as in 150+g heavier). It's a disc brake model, have not ridden it yet due to injury.

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Nov 28, 22 15:01

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If you need any information on our wheels - just let me know.

They were tested about 6 weeks ago at A2. We beat both Enve and HED.

They are available in both disc brake and rim brake and can be run tubed or tubeless.

Ours is fastest with either 25 or 28 mm tires.

Dan Kennison

facebook: @triPremierBike
http://www.PremierBike.com
http://www.PositionOneSports.com

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benleg

Nov 28, 22 15:21

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Is it me or there is very little incentive to pay extra to get a disc from a premium brand (weight, quality of hub and width are basically the only feature that matter)... or i'm missing something?

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Nov 28, 22 15:26

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_Nickel_ wrote:

Ah, I didn't know this.

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Nov 28, 22 15:35

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dkennison wrote:

Is the disc wheel is structural carbon or a spoked wheel with a carbon faring? and at 25mm at the break track how is it fastest at 28mm tires?

Thanks!

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Nov 28, 22 15:38

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it is a solid core disc wheel.

About 26.22 at the brake track.

25mm or 28mm tires are within the margin of error.

Dan Kennison

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Nov 28, 22 15:48

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dkennison wrote:

it is a solid core disc wheel.

About 26.22 at the brake track.

25mm or 28mm tires are within the margin of error.

Ah okay, the website says 25mm wide!

That solves it, going PremeirBike.

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Nov 28, 22 15:51

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jimatbeyond wrote:

I don't see how it looks worse, just smart.

I mean, given…
- It’s pretty easy to figure out who you are
- And apparently you sell over $1.2 million in bike parts a year on eBay
- and under the False Claims Act a whistleblower may be eligible for rewards when reporting customs fraud

If it doesn’t make you look worse; at the very least it makes you like kinda dumb to admit this stuff on a public forum where anyone with an internet connection can read it

Matt

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habbywall

Nov 28, 22 16:13

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Chemist wrote:

jimatbeyond wrote:

I don't see how it looks worse, just smart.

Just curious, if the wheel sells for more than 800, but the cost to the seller is less than 800 what should they put on the customs form? For instance, if the package gets lost they will only be out the less than 800 for shipping another one, but to the buyer it is more than 800.

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MrTri123

Nov 28, 22 16:50

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dkennison wrote:

it is a solid core disc wheel.

About 26.22 at the brake track.

25mm or 28mm tires are within the margin of error.

Fantastic!

I just bought one of your Disc wheels

I didn’t know it was structural

I have a HED disc and NO Whomp Whomp sound

Does your disc have that sound?

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Nov 28, 22 17:01

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Yes. 😁

Dan Kennison

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Ohio_Roadie

Nov 28, 22 17:58

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Is there an option for a track hub? 🙃

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Nov 28, 22 18:09

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I don’t have a single speed track hub disc in stock but I’m happy to make one for you. Just check out as usual and put track hub in the notes section. You can still use the discount code from Black Friday.

It will take about 3 - 4 weeks to ship to you.

Dan Kennison

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rhys

Nov 28, 22 19:21

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do you ship to canada and if you know, what are duties?

also, disc brake version available. I only see one price point for disc wheel.

thanks!

@rhyspencer

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Nov 28, 22 19:25

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Yes - we ship to Canada every day.

I use Bikeflights (ups) for Canada. They will provide a doir to door service. We generally get a shipping and duty quote after the order is placed- then if the customer does not like the total we just cancel the order and credit the full amount.

Yes - same price for disc brake.

Dan Kennison

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http://www.PositionOneSports.com

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Nov 28, 22 23:36

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habbywall wrote:

Chemist wrote:

jimatbeyond wrote:

I don't see how it looks worse, just smart.

The law is pretty clear on which price is to be used, and it's the purchase price to the customer ordering it.

So are you going to tell me where I encouraged fraud, btw, or will you delete that accusation?

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Nov 29, 22 0:01

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benleg wrote:

Is it me or there is very little incentive to pay extra to get a disc from a premium brand (weight, quality of hub and width are basically the only feature that matter)... or i'm missing something?

Depends on what incentivizes you. If it's purely cost, China is your best friend. If you are incentivized by things like shopping local, environmental/ labor practices, or minimizing how much of your money goes to certain types of government, then HED, Ron, and Citec might start to look like a good value for a few hundred more.

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jollyroger88

Nov 29, 22 3:44

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Renn Multisport (Frank Renhelt). Their website has been down for a while, but they still sell their 555 disc wheel (~ $800)

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Nov 29, 22 4:59

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Renn is another good one. His site's been "coming soon" for years. Wonder what the new wheel is that is mentioned on the website. I asked him via email but never got a response.

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benleg

Nov 29, 22 8:33

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BigBoyND wrote:

benleg wrote:

Is it me or there is very little incentive to pay extra to get a disc from a premium brand (weight, quality of hub and width are basically the only feature that matter)... or i'm missing something?

Ya, pretty sure that the ESG value of any 'Assembled in a western country' label is very pretty negligible.

Question here is if paying an extra $1-2000 for a brand give you anything other than a nice logo (watts, ride quality, stability, etc)...

For normal wheels, someone could make an argument about R&D, hand laced, free range, and GMO free... But Disc all look the same to me.

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Nov 29, 22 9:29

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Functionally they'll be pretty much indistinguishable.

I wouldn't say the ESG value is negligible for some of these. At least not to me. HED and I think Citec produce their own alu rims, lay Japanese carbon themselves around Taiwanese/Swiss hubs, etc. Of the $1200 that you pay, likely more than $1000 of it stays in their countries (US and Germany). The rest goes to places I don't mind. No reason to let perfect be the enemy of good.

The street price premium for these wheels and Ron vs the reputable Chinese stuff is closer to $200, not $1000-2000. I wouldn't know how to justify $2000-3000 wheels when there are really great options for $1000-1500.

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Nov 29, 22 10:13

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_Nickel_ wrote:

WHAT!?

On the website they state: “ Full Carbon, tubeless disc wheel with ceramic bearings.”

I feel they are misleading us then?

I own the AeronX but wouldn’t know what’s inside. I had assumed it was just carbon

Regards, Richard
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Nov 29, 22 10:29

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thetrickster wrote:

_Nickel_ wrote:

I messaged them on facebook and they confirmed it is indeed a spoked wheel with a carbon faring.

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IamSpartacus

Nov 29, 22 15:42

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The question is…. Does it whoomp whoomp?!

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Nov 30, 22 0:42

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treyxt wrote:

I messaged them on facebook and they confirmed it is indeed a spoked wheel with a carbon faring.

Same here - got the same answer:

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Hello, full carbon means that wheel based on carbon rim instead of aluminium like RON5. Yes, there are centering spokes inside

I'm not sure what to think, if I should be disappointed or not - I had assumed they were a bit more than a spoked wheel with covers...

Regards, Richard
3D Bits and Pieces - https://www.printables.com/@thetrickster_793480

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jollyroger88

Nov 30, 22 2:53

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I would not bother about the spokes under the cover: Vision Tech sells a covered spoked wheel at a much higher price
METRON DISC WHEEL | VISION (visiontechusa.com)

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burnthesheep

Nov 30, 22 5:08

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thetrickster wrote:

I'm not sure what to think, if I should be disappointed or not - I had assumed they were a bit more than a spoked wheel with covers...

I really don't understand folks with this ideation in their heads. These are nowhere close to the same thing as taping a disc cover to an existing wheel.

Buy only based on your budget, and whatever real data you can find about your options. Otherwise, it's irrelevant and something that I feel like people treat as more of an elitist thing than a factual science and data driven thing. Which is dumb. "Ohhh, that's just a disc cover." It just reeks of ignorance. Almost as much as telling folks they're too slow to worry about buying a certain thing they want.

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Nov 30, 22 5:17

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burnthesheep wrote:

Buy only based on your budget, and whatever real data you can find about your options.

That's what I did ( I researched a lot...) when I was looking previously before buying the disc, when it says 'full carbon' in the description I had (incorrectly it seems) assumed the disk was a completely carbon disk wheel - why won't I ?

I had never thought previously a carbon disc wheel would have steel spokes inside. Not that it matters much I suppose, as it was the Aeron or the Vision disc above when I was looking at. So they both are of the same type - I never knew we had different types of 'full carbon' disc wheels

Regards, Richard
3D Bits and Pieces - https://www.printables.com/@thetrickster_793480

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refthimos

Nov 30, 22 9:23

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I train on the Aeron X and have a Roval 321 that I will throw on for a race effort, though whether the Roval is actually faster in any meaningful way... who knows. With that, go ahead and press the side of your Aeron X and you will feel a good amount of "give" - that's the carbon cover. Do the same with a Roval or other solid disc and you won't be able to push in/flex the carbon.

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burnthesheep

Nov 30, 22 9:30

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refthimos wrote:

With that, go ahead and press the side of your Aeron X and you will feel a good amount of "give" - that's the carbon cover. Do the same with a Roval or other solid disc and you won't be able to push in/flex the carbon.

Just so folks understand your post.....as some will mis-interpret that as "give = cheap" or "give = bad"..........

that's because for a spoked wheel based disc, the skin doesn't have to be structural. The spokes are. For a full carbon disc, the skin is what keeps your ass from skidding onto the pavement. So yeah, since it is structural, it has to be stiff.

Just so folks understand, that's all.

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Dec 1, 22 0:45

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Found this, back when I was looking at buying:

AlexB78 wrote:

Aeron X is not spokes covered wheel. It is structural carbon wheel. And they do have data and comparison to couple other brands including Zipp https://ronwheels.com/content/11-aerodynamic

Seems like I wasn't the only one misinformed!

Returning to the original question from treyxt - it would be interesting to know which of these 'inexpensive' discs are actually 'full structural carbon' or 'full fairing carbon' - as this does make the choice more interesting I would think.

To give Vision credit on their descriptions, on their Metron and TFW wheels, they are more honest they Ron. With "Full UD carbon fairings construction" for the Metron and "Full carbon construction" for the TFW.

Now the next question is - is there any tangible difference in the two types?

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MrTri123

Dec 1, 22 4:11

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Premier is structural disc

I am looking forward to the Womp womp sound

😎

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Rfitz24

Dec 1, 22 7:11

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Can anyone weigh in on the Hunt Disc wheel construction. I found on the website “ The disc wheel is made of 2 external side plates and internal I-beam reinforcements”, I would guess no whoop whoop sound?

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Dec 1, 22 12:51

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MrTri123 wrote:

Premier is structural disc

I am looking forward to the Womp womp sound

😎

As am I!

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aravilare

Dec 1, 22 17:19

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Chemist wrote:

jimatbeyond wrote:

I don't see how it looks worse, just smart.

What I'd miss about what jimatbeyond has been doing? I only remember all his intentionally obtuse responses to posts.

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khanlon

Dec 1, 22 17:23

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Just ordered the Elite wheels disc. Sounds like a couple months to get here. Will report back how it works out.

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IamSpartacus

Dec 1, 22 18:02

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Does it whoomp whoomp noise ? I was going to buy an aeron x, also thinking it was structural carbon.

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Dec 1, 22 21:51

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IamSpartacus wrote:

Does it whoomp whoomp noise ? I was going to buy an aeron x, also thinking it was structural carbon.

No raced / run it yet. So no idea! I too would love to know! I might even setup up the bike at the weekend just to check LOL.

Been learning lots about discs last couple of days, about types etc.

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Dec 2, 22 1:39

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aravilare wrote:

Chemist wrote:

jimatbeyond wrote:

I don't see how it looks worse, just smart.

What I'd miss about what jimatbeyond has been doing? I only remember all his intentionally obtuse responses to posts.

He proudly commits tax fraud, claims it's a bigly smart move, and encourages others to do it.

jimatbeyond wrote:

Tell the non-US sellers to declare the value under $800 so that no duty is owed.

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Triathletetoth

Dec 2, 22 11:56

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I had a ron rear disc from years back. It was good. clincher tire, sold it.

I just purchased the aeron x rim so I can run tubeless in it. I choose it over the other brands because I knew what I was getting vs other brands (not sure of them).

Overall, we could test all of these disc wheels with the same front wheel and the different would be unmeasurable.

So I went with lowest risk gamble (confidence of what I get).

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Dec 3, 22 9:03

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IamSpartacus wrote:

Does it whoomp whoomp noise ? I was going to buy an aeron x, also thinking it was structural carbon.

Took mine out for a very quick spin tonight. No whoomp

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SBRcanuck

Dec 3, 22 13:54

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Triathletetoth wrote:

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I just purchased the aeron x rim so I can run tubeless in it. I choose it over the other brands because I knew what I was getting vs other brands (not sure of them).

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So I went with lowest risk gamble (confidence of what I get).

Just out of interest, you wouldn't have been confident of wheels from HED??

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Triathletetoth

Dec 3, 22 15:10

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that brand was not in the op's post to discuss, it was about the lower priced brands (not lower quality). I would ride hed, zipp, etc. I have had them all and after using high end wheels over $3000 a set of realised the set for $800- 1200 is fine ever for top performance.

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Apr 18, 23 10:42

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On the premierbike website it says 26.22mm wide at the rim brake track, and the owner confirmed this for me, but mine measured 25mm exactly. I’ve only realized this after mounting my 25mm corsa speeds and noticing they were bulging out a little wider than the rim. A small thing, but kind of annoying.

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Apr 19, 23 6:29

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I’ll measure our newest production when I get back into town.

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Ing.

Apr 19, 23 12:06

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Hi Dan,

Possibly a dumb question but are there differences in geometry between the discs for rim brake use and disc brake use? Or is it simply a matter of assembling with a different hub?

The reason I ask is I've been away from tri while disc brakes have taken over, and I'm looking to upgrade my rim brake tri bike and would love to know if there's a disc out there where I could "convert" over to disc brakes if I took that plunge in future...

Thanks

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Apr 19, 23 12:30

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Ing. wrote:

Doesn't totally answer your question but I asked Dan about the differences recently and this is what he said: The disc disc does not have a rim brake track. The disc disc is structurally a bit different to take the loads at the center. The hub quality is the same. Same quality carbon. Same width and valve hole cover.

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Ing.

Apr 19, 23 12:59

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Thanks for the reply - this is functionally what I was interested in.

I know that for spoked wheels you can often lace in a new hub and render the brake track moot (but not always - e.g. radially spoked w carbon fairings, where the hole locations need to move). I just wondered if there may be a solid disc out there that would mean I didn't sink a ton of money into a knowingly dated rig. Know of any others?

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Apr 19, 23 14:35

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Sorry no - they are totally different and can’t be Interchanged.

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