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Come on down and join the fun--I'm gonna' get me 20k this year!

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Starting the year off right.. with a stomach bug
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I have hit the enroll button three or four times in the last 24 hours but I am not appearing on the list. Any advice?

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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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There should have been an allotted amount of time set aside before starting 2022 in order to air grievances:)
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Somehow I'm gold at the moment (though barely). Starting the year off right, I guess!
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [TJ56] [ In reply to ]
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Feel free to air them now!

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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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Since there is little love on the forum for this challenge (based upon number of posts) a private Strava club should be created where members may share comments and kudos on workouts. It would also be enlightening to see just how the points are being accumulated with the extra details that Strava provides.
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [TJ56] [ In reply to ]
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Sounds good, maybe more people would like it!

I’m just an old man who doesn’t do Strava so will stick to the Big K and my slow twitch log. Feel free to do both as well!

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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [TJ56] [ In reply to ]
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Love that idea!
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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Feel free to air them now!

I do most of my biking inside in EGR mode (not a zwifter) with a flywheel speed of 18-19 mph. When outside, my rides are 20+, so I'm losing out on 5% of my biking aerobic points!!. Whaaaaaa



This is where someone else chimes in with a "HTFU buttercup" or "ride 5% longer"
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [TJ56] [ In reply to ]
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TJ56 wrote:
Since there is little love on the forum for this challenge (based upon number of posts) a private Strava club should be created where members may share comments and kudos on workouts. It would also be enlightening to see just how the points are being accumulated with the extra details that Strava provides.

Ya, I don't understand why the 100/100 gets 100s of posts every year and about 3 times as many entries as does the Big Kahuna (BK). I would ass-u-me that most STers train year-round so you'd think the BK would actually be more popular than the 100/100 but apparently not. :)


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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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I think part of it is the duration: a full year vs 3ish months.

If ST had a winter Kahuna instead of the 100/100, it might be much more popular.
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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I need to go join. I've medalled every year you've had this!

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mgreer wrote:
rcmioga wrote:
Feel free to air them now!


I do most of my biking inside in EGR mode (not a zwifter) with a flywheel speed of 18-19 mph. When outside, my rides are 20+, so I'm losing out on 5% of my biking aerobic points!!. Whaaaaaa



This is where someone else chimes in with a "HTFU buttercup" or "ride 5% longer"

Don't worry - I'm picking up the 5% you are losing. My outdoor rides are all ~18-19 mph through rolling hills and my Zwift is always Tick Tock so magically 20 mph is attainable. 😂
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [mgreer] [ In reply to ]
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mgreer wrote:
I think part of it is the duration: a full year vs 3ish months.
Not to worry. It's another way to track training, and sort of fun to see where I end up as far as BK points. The people who medal at any level are really putting in some training. It's not easy just to make it to 10,000 points (about 200 points average per week, the "wooden medal" level?), but that's a realistic goal for me. Here we go again!

"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [Billabong] [ In reply to ]
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Billabong wrote:
I have hit the enroll button three or four times in the last 24 hours but I am not appearing on the list. Any advice?

Is there an error message or something? It's been working for everybody else, and while I can see a lot of your activity in the logs, I don't see your browser actually asking for the enrollment. Is javascript turned off, or are you using a mobile phone browser that's really old?

Cheers,

-Eric
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EricTheBiking wrote:
Billabong wrote:
I have hit the enroll button three or four times in the last 24 hours but I am not appearing on the list. Any advice?


Is there an error message or something? It's been working for everybody else, and while I can see a lot of your activity in the logs, I don't see your browser actually asking for the enrollment. Is javascript turned off, or are you using a mobile phone browser that's really old?

Cheers,

-Eric

I got in by going through Chrome. Odd that I have the most recent Firefox running.

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I got in by going through Chrome. Odd that I have the most recent Firefox running.

Ha! Sure enough! Gotcha! Thank you, that's a great find, and I'll get that little bug stomped this weekend.

Sorry for the trouble.

-Eric
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [mgreer] [ In reply to ]
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I think part of it is the duration: a full year vs 3ish months. If ST had a winter Kahuna instead of the 100/100, it might be much more popular.

Hmmm, you may well have a good point there. I have always thought most STers were training 400 or more BK points/wk, 50-52 wks/yr, but maybe not. A moderate weekly training program of 15,000 yd swim, 150 mi bike, and 30 mi run nets you 420 pts/wk. IMO that is not huge training per se but perhaps a lot of people ramp up for a long race, then cut way back afterwards. I've always preferred steady training throughout the year but diff strokes and all that. :)


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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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A moderate weekly training program of 15,000 yd swim, 150 mi bike, and 30 mi run nets you 420 pts/wk. IMO that is not huge training per se but perhaps a lot of people ramp up for a long race, then cut way back afterwards. I've always preferred steady training throughout the year but diff strokes and all that. :)

I'm really struggling to figure out how anyone does more than a few weeks of that, much less how that's a moderate load. I'm averaging about 9 hours a week with more or less 9,000 yards swim, 80 miles bike, and 20-25 miles run, and I'm dead.

And it's not like I'm new to sport. I have about 17 years of structured training for cycling (9-10,000 mile years) and running (40-70 mpw) in me, and am in my late 30s.

I'm kind of blown away at the prospect of handling that much training load. And, you know, life.
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The short answer for me last year was "no life". Take the commute and most of the social life away, and that time was largely filled with training/recovery (sure as hell didn't want to fill it with work!). Also no kids.
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [EricTheBiking] [ In reply to ]
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EricTheBiking wrote:
Billabong wrote:
I got in by going through Chrome. Odd that I have the most recent Firefox running.

Ha! Sure enough! Gotcha! Thank you, that's a great find, and I'll get that little bug stomped this weekend.
Sorry for the trouble.
-Eric

Eric - Since you appear to be the programmer behind the scenes, one thing has kinda sorta bugged me over the past year is that the Big Kahuna day count is usually 1 day ahead, e.g. right now it says "Day 8 of 365" whereas it is clearly Day 7 (7 Jan) at least here in North America. Do you think you could fix this??? Also, this same error appears to plague the 100/100 link also, if I'm counting correctly. :)
Thanks,
Eric

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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Eric, how often do you race and what distances?

If training is your hobby and you’re not racing…sure, moderate volume year round is fine. Your definition of moderate seems a bit out there though at 16-19ish hours a week (5-6 hours swim, 7.5 -8.5 hours bike, 4-5 hours run, plus pre and post wardrobe changing, etc…). I think most people are fine with that for a build to a big race but not for normal weekly training. For people that work, that doesn’t leave much free time for family, friends, household chores or other hobbies.
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cielo wrote:
ericmulk wrote:
A moderate weekly training program of 15,000 yd swim, 150 mi bike, and 30 mi run nets you 420 pts/wk. IMO that is not huge training per se but perhaps a lot of people ramp up for a long race, then cut way back afterwards. I've always preferred steady training throughout the year but diff strokes and all that. :)


I'm really struggling to figure out how anyone does more than a few weeks of that, much less how that's a moderate load. I'm averaging about 9 hours a week with more or less 9,000 yards swim, 80 miles bike, and 20-25 miles run, and I'm dead.

And it's not like I'm new to sport. I have about 17 years of structured training for cycling (9-10,000 mile years) and running (40-70 mpw) in me, and am in my late 30s.

I'm kind of blown away at the prospect of handling that much training load. And, you know, life.
I was thinking, "Thats a moderate program?" too when I read eric's post. But I think it's pretty neat that at least some people (see the top of the BK leaderboard every year) can fit this much training in on a regular basis.

"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
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Eric, how often do you race and what distances?

If training is your hobby and you’re not racing…sure, moderate volume year round is fine. Your definition of moderate seems a bit out there though at 16-19ish hours a week (5-6 hours swim, 7.5 -8.5 hours bike, 4-5 hours run, plus pre and post wardrobe changing, etc…). I think most people are fine with that for a build to a big race but not for normal weekly training. For people that work, that doesn’t leave much free time for family, friends, household chores or other hobbies.

Mainly Oly distance with the occasional half iron. I've found that doing this type of program enabled me to go 7-8 min or so faster in an Oly race than if I did the 9-10 hrs of training. Certainly I would taper before each race (around 6 races/yr) and sharply reduce training for the 7 days before the race. However, I am single with no dependents and triathlon is generally second only to work in my priority list, excepting for family emergencies.


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[quote ericmulkEric - Since you appear to be the programmer behind the scenes, one thing has kinda sorta bugged me over the past year is that the Big Kahuna day count is usually 1 day ahead, e.g. right now it says "Day 8 of 365" whereas it is clearly Day 7 (7 Jan) at least here in North America. Do you think you could fix this??? Also, this same error appears to plague the 100/100 link also, if I'm counting correctly. :)[/quote]
You are. Good eye. I thought I had put code in there to correctly respect the user's time zone for the challenge days calculation, and I checked it and it was Very Much Most Definitely Not Working At All. So for you, about half the day results in it being off by one.

I think I have it fixed now. Let's watch as we get into the evening if it stays correct :)

-Eric
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [Billabong] [ In reply to ]
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Hey sir, and really, hey everyone,

Challenge enrollments and a few other things ought to be working in Firefox now.

It was less of a Firefox bug and more of a "how on earth did this work in Chrome" bug. :)

-Eric
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [JoelO] [ In reply to ]
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JoelO wrote:
Eric, how often do you race and what distances?

If training is your hobby and you’re not racing…sure, moderate volume year round is fine. Your definition of moderate seems a bit out there though at 16-19ish hours a week (5-6 hours swim, 7.5 -8.5 hours bike, 4-5 hours run, plus pre and post wardrobe changing, etc…). I think most people are fine with that for a build to a big race but not for normal weekly training. For people that work, that doesn’t leave much free time for family, friends, household chores or other hobbies.

IME you need to average about 20hrs per week training to make BK status. I made it in 2020 and as you noted I had several things going for me: I wasn't working (retired), we were in lock down most of the year due to COVID and so there were few family distractions, and of course there was very little racing going on. And, most importantly, I didn't get injured or burned out from the "BIG" training.

Last year, 2021, I didn't score as well as 2020 because I raced a lot (and a return to family outings)! My racing performance was probably my best ever which I attribute to the high volume I put in during 2020 so it was very much worth the time and effort (and in full disclosure I also was the young guy in a new "old" age group this year).

IMO, the BK challenge is slanted toward athletes that would rather train than race and who can train a LOT without getting injured, burned out, and/or distracted by what the rest of society would consider normal living;) Given those parameters I don't see a lot of growth in its participation although I will be the first to recommend users join for the training camaraderie.
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [EricTheBiking] [ In reply to ]
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For whatever reason the Strava sync button isn't working for me. Hasn't worked the last two days. On mobile phone. I'll try laptop later.

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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [timr] [ In reply to ]
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Same here but only today is the Strava link not uploading. Tried on mobile, iPad and Mac and attempted to upload 2 weeks and 2 months with no success.
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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rcmioga wrote:
Feel free to air them now!

I missed bronze for 2021 by a couple hundred points as a three week trip to Yellowstone, glacier national, and grand Tetons put me behind, and I decided to spend time with family rather than cram a bunch of points over Christmas.

How’s that for a good pathetic whine?
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [scooter23] [ In reply to ]
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I'm in the same boat. Been trying to sync up for my 100/100 runs to update today's run and I get nothing. Won't work on mobile or pc. Definitely seems like something is wrong with the Strava sync.
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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Can you explain the rules/point system to me? Sorry I don’t see it anywhere


Thanks
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [Sbernardi] [ In reply to ]
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20,000 points means earning the coveted Big Kahuna title, 18,000 points is Big Kahuna Gold, 15,000 points is Silver, and 12,000 is Bronze


The part you're prob needing to square the circle is 1 mile biking = 1 point, 1 mile running = 4 points, 100 yds swim = 1 point.
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [TheRhino] [ In reply to ]
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So all u need to do is swim to win?

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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [timr] [ In reply to ]
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timr wrote:
For whatever reason the Strava sync button isn't working for me. Hasn't worked the last two days. On mobile phone. I'll try laptop later.

Can't speak to yesterday but I broke it today. Just fixed it. Sorry for the trouble!!

-Eric
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [Sbernardi] [ In reply to ]
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You need to accumulate the different point levels to earn that medal. Not sure I'd use the phrase "win" in any capacity here.
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [TheRhino] [ In reply to ]
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For most people 1hr of running is what 7-7.5mi avg or less . that’s 30points. A 3k swim gets you the same. That’s a 2:00min per 100.

The biggest point total would be swimming.

Most people aren’t biking 20mph.

The distribution should be changed
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<pink> Be a good triathlete and don't swim. Problem solved. </pink>

The formula can be debated ad nauseam and everyone will believe it should align to their strengths/splits/etc.. Most people seem to be satisfied with it (way less whining over here than in the 100/100).

2:00/100 swim is pretty close for me (see comment above re triathletes and swimming). Honestly, I don't lose any sleep over the formula. It's "close enough" and it's a fun/social way of tracking roughly how my training capacity aligns to volumes the maniacs are putting down.

If someone wants to replace all their training with swimming for internet points, that's fine with me.
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [Sbernardi] [ In reply to ]
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Here’s a link to an article Slowman wrote last year.

https://www.slowtwitch.com/...bic_Points_7856.html
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For most people 1hr of running is what 7-7.5mi avg or less . that’s 30points. A 3k swim gets you the same. That’s a 2:00min per 100.

The biggest point total would be swimming.

Most people aren’t biking 20mph.

The distribution should be changed
My two cents.

A 10k run is a hard workout for me. Easily "worth" 25 points.

A 25-mile ride is a good workout, although normally not as tough on me as a 10k run. But I don't have a problem leaving that at 25 points.

I think "swimmers" (or people who get in lots of swimming) might have an advantage over someone like me when it comes to BK points. The logistics of getting to the pool (when they're open for lap swims) is a factor for me. Also, I don't get the same satisfaction churning back and forth in the pool that I get from cycling and running outdoors, so I'd rather be cycling or running anyway. Cycling 100 miles or running 25 miles in a week is pretty easy for me. Getting in 10,000 yards of swimming in a week would be pretty exceptional for me, but I don't have a problem rewarding the people who can pull this off.

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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [EricTheBiking] [ In reply to ]
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[quote ericmulkEric - Since you appear to be the programmer behind the scenes, one thing has kinda sorta bugged me over the past year is that the Big Kahuna day count is usually 1 day ahead, e.g. right now it says "Day 8 of 365" whereas it is clearly Day 7 (7 Jan) at least here in North America. Do you think you could fix this??? Also, this same error appears to plague the 100/100 link also, if I'm counting correctly. :)


You are. Good eye. I thought I had put code in there to correctly respect the user's time zone for the challenge days calculation, and I checked it and it was Very Much Most Definitely Not Working At All. So for you, about half the day results in it being off by one.

I think I have it fixed now. Let's watch as we get into the evening if it stays correct :)

-Eric[/quote]
Thanks Eric. I kept thinking someone else would notice and fix these two small errors but apparently I was the only one who noticed these small bugs. :)


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For most people 1hr of running is what 7-7.5mi avg or less . that’s 30points. A 3k swim gets you the same. That’s a 2:00min per 100.

The biggest point total would be swimming.

Most people aren’t biking 20mph.

The distribution should be changed

I have done the bike a lot version and a swim a lot version year . Before you comment too much on the swim being that easy, I suggest you try a 400 hrs year of swimming. It is really really tough. A lot of people won't make it and will get shoulder injuries doing a ton of free. If you are on the 7-12 hrs per week swimming plan every week of the year you will need to do a lot of kick and 4 strokes at which point logging an average of 2 min per 100m ends up being pretty tough. It is way easier to log a 800 hrs bike year than a 400 hrs swim year. I am not diminishing biking a bit over 2 hrs per day vs a bit over 1 hrs swimming per day but you can get on the bike over and over and over.

But yes once you have the swim capability and form to survive a lot of swim volume it is a fast way to get points but you gotta get up and do it over and over and over again. 1 hrs does not seem like much of a swim. Agreed. Do it 7 times per week and that's a 20km week. Literally on ST log there are only 5 athletes per week that hit that. If you do that four weeks in a row there are maybe two people on ST that get to that. Do it 12 months in a year and you get a 1000km year and that is almost no one around here (just annikanpm and Erikmulk). Spend a year like that in the pool and see how hard that is .

I do agree that this challenge is focused on people who just like to train and for whom racing is literally a side show. I am in that camp at this phase of my life. My performance goals are with my tech startup. By the time I get to training its just a big exercise entertainment lifestyle diversion where I unplug and recharge
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Sbernardi wrote:
So all u need to do is swim to win?

To simplify the answer to your question, just get in the friggin pool every day, 2 hrs per day!!! YOU GOT THIS WIN !!!
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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First, thank you for putting on this challenge! Congratulations to all past participants!

May I make two requests?

Include the points distribution breakdown on the main BK page. I can’t find it.

Have a grade adjusted pace/points for biking/running.

🤙
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [kona220] [ In reply to ]
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By the points distribution comment do you mean between swim/bike/run/other?

As for how points are allocated, that's above my pay grade. Two guys to take that up with are snowman or devanishpaul...

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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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Leave it as is, for historical purposes. If you climb up a hill, go down it take make the distance.
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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That doesn’t make sense.
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [kona220] [ In reply to ]
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Check out the link to Dan’s article in the thread above….he talks about his rationale for the point system….

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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks I don’t see the link but I’m not that invested in it. Just offering a suggestion.
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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rcmioga wrote:
By the points distribution comment do you mean between swim/bike/run/other?

As for how points are allocated, that's above my pay grade. Two guys to take that up with are snowman or devanishpaul...

Slowman set the points system. I debated with him that I thought the points for Nordic skiing were too high, but I was at the time a relatively expert skate skier so I could accue points way faster than most humans (at 42 I raced at the elite/pro XC ski nationals, although I was waaay off the back of the Olympians, but won the local winter tri at 44 in a decent field. Slowman said that 3 points per mile for Nordic skiing made sense because on average its just a bit easier than running if you include classic skiing, back country etc etc). Once I could no longer skate ski, I saw what he meant. Similarly in swimming, I do 2/3 of my swimming as fly/back/breast/kick and 1/3 as free. If I did all free I would get waaaaay more points, but I am training for masters swimming nationals in the IM and fly, so the points are whatever I get. I still feel the points are a bit high for Nordic skiing. I would like to see points for indoor rowing which I think is a legit indoor activity, but there are none, so often I just enter rowing time as "weight training" because that is zero points.

I think by and large the swim, bike and run points system averages out. For those asking about elevation on the bike you also get part of it back on downhills. I get that a lot of the potential energy stored as you climb does not turn into speed since a bunch of it converts to heat as you push a wall of wind downhill, but by and large over the year, it all shakes out. I do a ton of hilly running and get zero credit for it. I think if there is an argument for an elevation bonus it would be in running as you get almost none of it back and just get beaten up worse on the downhills! Everyone of my treadmill runs is an uphill run because I am running on either a flat half the time or hills from 2-10 percent the rest of the time. Zero downhill there!!!!
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [kona220] [ In reply to ]
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Here you go kona, it’s just up a bit on page 2…

https://www.slowtwitch.com/...bic_Points_7856.html

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devashish_paul wrote:
rcmioga wrote:
By the points distribution comment do you mean between swim/bike/run/other?

As for how points are allocated, that's above my pay grade. Two guys to take that up with are snowman or devanishpaul...

Slowman set the points system. I debated with him that I thought the points for Nordic skiing were too high, but I was at the time a relatively expert skate skier so I could accue points way faster than most humans (at 42 I raced at the elite/pro XC ski nationals, although I was waaay off the back of the Olympians, but won the local winter tri at 44 in a decent field. Slowman said that 3 points per mile for Nordic skiing made sense because on average its just a bit easier than running if you include classic skiing, back country etc etc). Once I could no longer skate ski, I saw what he meant. Similarly in swimming, I do 2/3 of my swimming as fly/back/breast/kick and 1/3 as free. If I did all free I would get waaaaay more points, but I am training for masters swimming nationals in the IM and fly, so the points are whatever I get. I still feel the points are a bit high for Nordic skiing. I would like to see points for indoor rowing which I think is a legit indoor activity, but there are none, so often I just enter rowing time as "weight training" because that is zero points.

I think by and large the swim, bike and run points system averages out. For those asking about elevation on the bike you also get part of it back on downhills. I get that a lot of the potential energy stored as you climb does not turn into speed since a bunch of it converts to heat as you push a wall of wind downhill, but by and large over the year, it all shakes out. I do a ton of hilly running and get zero credit for it. I think if there is an argument for an elevation bonus it would be in running as you get almost none of it back and just get beaten up worse on the downhills! Everyone of my treadmill runs is an uphill run because I am running on either a flat half the time or hills from 2-10 percent the rest of the time. Zero downhill there!!!!

Eh? I don't see Nordic ski on points system? Cause I could have had more points in my total last year.. first 2 weeks did ski work
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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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Had anybody ever researched the race results for the people getting Gold vs Silver vs Bronze vs no trophy for the Big Kahuna?

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timr wrote:
Had anybody ever researched the race results for the people getting Gold vs Silver vs Bronze vs no trophy for the Big Kahuna?

talked to last year's winner... fast person :)
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no don't think so! HOWEVER, I am confident that on average those who train more are generally faster than those who don't...

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Re: Big Kahuna 12 is up! [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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Strava has a club for our local Triathlon Club. There are some people that train a lot of hours but don't have great results. I mean they finish, but I don't see big hours meaning great results.

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rcmioga wrote:
no don't think so! HOWEVER, I am confident that on average those who train more are generally faster than those who don't...

There's a difference in training to train, and training for racing at the front.

More doesn't necessarily mean better, especially for the shorter races.
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Yes, I get that too much training can lead to slower races and I also get that high volume lower quality training is often not as good as higher intensity/less volume.

However, I think it is also true, on average, that racing speed is correlated with training volume. For example, if compare pros to mop age groupers you will find that pros train more and are faster on average. If I compare how fast I race if I don’t train for a while vs. my normal training, I find I’m faster with the more training.

Causality is interesting as well. Obviously, if you train you get fitter, so easy to see that causal linkage. However, I’ve found when I get faster I also want to train more. Not as strong but a causal linkage there as well. A bit of a virtuous circle up to the point where overtraining kicks in…

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timr wrote:
Had anybody ever researched the race results for the people getting Gold vs Silver vs Bronze vs no trophy for the Big Kahuna?

Well, you could consider the "Big Kahuna" to be a 365 day virtual stage race.


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devashish_paul wrote:
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So all u need to do is swim to win?


To simplify the answer to your question, just get in the friggin pool every day, 2 hrs per day!!! YOU GOT THIS WIN !!!

U.S. Masters Swimming has a similar "contest" to see who can swim the most in the calendar year. I've posted about this before but for those who did not see my previous posts, the guy who has "won" the USMS event for the last 7 yrs in a row averages 3000 miles of just swimming per year. That translates to about 5,280,000 yds/yr or just over 100,000 yds per week, 52 weeks per year, or about 14,500 yd/day, 365 days/yr, for 7 straight years. In terms of points, that is 52,800 pts/yr which about 50% more than anyone has SBR'd over the past 11 yrs, at least AFAIK. Holy sore shoulders Batman!!!!!!

Dev - Does Masters Swimming Canada have an analogous event???


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