I received mine today (closed back) but haven't set them up yet. They'll be going on an Alpha X cockpit. My setup is for time trial (not tri) and my bars are close together and in mantis position; with the armrests being very close together when racing I need to put one hand on top of the other at the extensions which means the arm from the upper hand has very little support from the cups so having an elbow support should be extremely helpful. I'm excited to try them out but it won't be before Friday when I do a recovery ride (and I'll do it on my TT bike).

I don't think many people out there have theirs yet, but I'm lucky enough to have already raced on them. Note, I am sponsored by TriRig, so not a perfectly impartial juror.

It's probably important to note first off that a new pair of cups, even ones like these, won't magically fix a fit issue. If there is something wrong with your position resulting in a odd or uncomfortable elbow/shoulder angle, swapping cups won't change anything there. In theory your fit could be fine but maybe you just need a little more cushion. I think the TriRig type of padding is the best of what I've used, but there are aftermarket options out there like CeeGees that you could probably toss on your current pad setup. It sounds like this won't magically solve your problem though.

That said, these are the most comfortable cups I've ever used. Especially if you can get the tilt to match your relative hand height, you can really settle into them. The closed-back model is especially helpful when running a lot of tilt, since the pad material isn't even remotely slippery anyway so you're not going to be sliding back with flat cups. Even with tilt, you're not going to be sliding, but you can really fall back into them, as you'd expect. I find that having my position more locked in has also led to increased comfort for me. I can still slide forward to fidget around while riding but being side to side limited for a longer length of the arm, I feel like I can actually relax more as I'm not thinking about whether or not my arms are in my ideal position.

And yes, these don't come stock on the Alpha One as of yet.

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Got mine setup on my Ventum. Winter in Northeast so I can only comment on the feel on the trainer. I definitely feel much more “locked in”. Better support. My prediction is that I’ll love them once on the road in the spring.

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Thanks for your reply, Benjamin,
I really want to upgrade my cockpit area on my p2, eventually want the alpha one, omega x, and closed scoops
Im running 18deg tilt but going to my fitter in 2 weeks to lower tilt a bit maybe

I might try the ceegee as a short term fix

Great race in LaQuinta and I wish you and your wife a great '20 season

I got mine Saturday (closed backs). First impression: they are huge and they add a lot of surface area. But I was expecting that based on the posted photo's. I'll ride on them this week on the trainer and try them outside this coming weekend. My gut reaction is that these will be in the classifieds in a few weeks.

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to those using them already...

do the width of these versus older models interfere with a BTA bottle, if you're using one?

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From pics, they appear to be same width, maybe even slightly narrower than ergo cups. Definitely more narrow than first gen cups.

How does it change Tririg’s fit calculator for Alpha One??? This is more a question for Nick than you, but if you know, feel free to answer!!

I haven't actually measured it, but I'm pretty sure there is zero width change from the Ergos to these. Like you would expect, they do have a shallower/lower inside wall though, so its perfectly possible to use a bottle cage still. With them on the alpha one, I just had to pedestal my cage with a few washers to raise it over the edge of the inside of the scoops, but its essentially the exact same setup. Now if you wanted your elbows to be touching and have a bottle cage, that's not going to happen here, but I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen on any setup...

When I do a short course race or a TT, I'll probably take the bottle cage off and push the cups as close as possible just for the heck of it to see how it feels. Probably won't ever be worth sacrificing a bottle between my arms for long course racing though.

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I went from 51SS cups to Scoops and still run my standard BTA on my speed concept 👍

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They definitely add a lot of surface area, but since it’s pretty much all length and not really any change to width then it shouldn’t add to drag at all. But the main goal of them is to increase comfort and time in aero, which is going to be the biggest gain for anything.

Also just got mine with just a couple of trainer rides so far. Took me some time to actually figure out exactly where I wanted them, but looking forward to riding outside with them when it isn’t freezing/raining.

And since I know I am also biased in this thread, I might as well say that they add 50+ watts to your FTP while also making you look instantly cooler/sexier. (Pink?)

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Very cool, except that they limit bta bottle options if you run narrow arms. May not be for me.

these look interesting... obviously the closed back ones will be great for high-tilt setups but does anyone have advice re more traditional setups - not flat but only moderately inclined arms?
- are the closed ones nice for holding your elbow or is it better to avoid pressure on the boney protrusion if you don't need support to hold you up?
- at what level of tilt would you choose closed over open?

So I know I talked about how it's nice to have the closed back with tilt in earlier posts, but I don't think it's actually all that necessary. It's not like there is a slipping problem with the pad surface so that isn't the concern. For me its more just a very solid indicator that I know my arms are in the correct position (once you find that correct position with the pads of course). Like someone else mentioned also, Frodo, Kienle, and plenty of others are using these large surface area type pads with completely flat hands. And thinking about it, it does kind of make sense that this might be the best usage for them. It would seem like when you're on a tilt, most of the pressure is going to be on that perpendicular-ish angle of contact at the elbow anyways. With flat arms that weight will disperse more if it has something to disperse onto.

As far as closed vs open back with no or little tilt, it seems like open may be the way to go. I could see how the back wall could get a bit annoying, but don't really think of it as a vertical wall. Its a very casual curve from the top of the back of the cup to the base, so its not like you have to have a 90 degree elbow angle to be comfortable on them.

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Benjamin here is with Benjamin on this one. With closed cups that it may feel better to use but won't fix your fit. I found a few tilt wedges for Pro Missile bars and tried to go as mantis as I could but found I struggled more to maintain consistent power on the back end of a race. I put a velcro strap across the back of the pad so I could lock my front down by tensing up on the front end. I had tried a few different pads but found the Pro Missile were the best for comfort probably because I was using it as more of a fulcrum.

https://www.slowtwitch.com/...sie_Dimond_7171.html

Alas... Everyone was getting Speedbars and I wanted a cheaper version so I had a custom set of bars made. I knew what angle worked for me, I wanted longer pads and a slightly longer bar. I don't have a cupped back but having the length of the pad I do, you can find the full balanced point to place the correct balance of weight along a longer pad when going mantis rather than having to tense up the front end so much.

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ration%3F)_P7079038/

That being said the back in the cup may help with what you have but it's the balance and length of pad was the difference for me.

Kudos to the Tririg crew covering length and a cup! I did send an offer of trial email when you were sending out teasers. I've used your brakes on all my tri bikes since I took up the sport. I'm curious to a teaser I saw about a new Omega brake? I'm planning the build on a new rim brake Dimond they would look amazing featured on ;)

Nick @ TriRig,

Will you be updating or providing an update to the Alpha One fit calculator?

I'm sure Nick will chime in here eventually, but I'm fairly certain these aren't capable of adding any additional reach. The most rearward holes are essentially identical in arm position with the pads to the Ergo cups. If you did want to you could mount them really far back on a bar which I guess could be useful if a bike is too long for someone, but that's rarely the problem with most bikes out there.

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Ben is spot on. The fit calculator doesn't really change except that you get another rearward option, so those cells in the bottom for reach could have one additional row with -20mm of reach compared to the the current lowest row. Otherwise, the fit chart is basically unchanged.

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So 4 options now are (1) pads -40mm; (2) pads-20mm; (3) pads at center; and (4) pads +20mm??

Also, does the length vary between open and closed? So if you put your elbow at the bottom of the open, would that be the equivalent of being on the curved part of the closed? In other words, are you sort of forced to place your arms a bit more forward on the closed to get elbows past the curved backing??

Yes

If you put your elbow at the bottom of the open, you could probably use the same holes on the closed and have it wrap your elbow.

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I did a first ride on the trainer yesterday and found compared to the ergo cups I need to bring them closer to the saddle. I very much like the closed ends and elbow support which for my position will make a world of difference in terms of stability.

One thing I was wondering is if there is a way to add a tiny bit of tilt vs the extensions... because since the cups are longer, the tip gets closer to the extensions where your hands are. But your hands are significantly higher than the cups (because of the change in slope extensions have) and so this creates a minor gap between the tip of the cup, and my arm in that area.

I noticed that exact same thing with the tilt as well, so I just used one of the spacers included with the scoops with the front bolt of the cups. It doesn't add a ton of tilt, but it's noticeable and definitely helpful. I considered using one of the fatter spacers but if I was going to do that much I think I'd rather use something with a wedge shape and a little more surface area. Even with my high school level CAD skills, I could probably fashion some tiny wedges to add more tilt and 3d print them at a local library.

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Exactly what I was thinking to do as well. It only needs a very minor angle so I’m probably just gonna make something in the lab at work out of carbon fiber.

Could this issue also be solved with a different type of extension? In other words, do you think the issue might depend on the type/angle of the extension you use? Mine arrive today, but I won't be setting up for a couple weeks, but can't wait to try!

I mean, in theory the lower the hands the more "inline" with the final hand position the cups will be at the natural angle, but a lot of us want high hands, so not really. I don't think the extension type matters aside from the final rise at the bar end. It's kind of a problem that you don't think about when the cups are small, even if the angle isn't in line with the hands, because you don't notice the gradient of the cups as much with only a few inches of arm touching anyways.

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i got my closed back scoops in today and did a short 1 hour ride. these were my first impressions:

1) out of the box these seemed pretty bulky/thick - not overly heavy but big (over-engineered)?
2) i could not replicate the same width with the scoops as i had with the ergo cups - more adjustment here is actually a negative
3) i had to choose the wider bolt holes in order to be able to use a xlab bottle BTA
4) if i chose the narrower width, the scoops would hit the Zipp Vukka 110 extensions where they angle up
5) the 3m velcro was peeling up in between some of the bolt holes (this should be resolved with more use i hope)
6) the bolt holes are not countersunk to make the bolts flush - although not visible with the velcro pad, quality here was sub-par
7) i would like to have wedges to angle the scoops a bit higher to be in-line with my forearm - i'm probably making contact with 1/2 the scoop length
8) washers are a band aid - i will buy the wedges if TriRig offers them
9) these are super comfy - i can definitely feel the weight being distributed off my shoulders and across my forearm. huge plus.
10) great forearm support - the scoop is deep enough to get the support all around the forearm and lock your position in

overall - comfortable and keeps you in a locked in position. they do their job well. i thought they were a bit bulky, i could not get the ideal fit (width) and some might have issues with angled/prying mantis position.

I mounted the open scoops with about 10 degrees of tilt using Evo Bracket Kit from Profile Design. Also using the numerous elongated mounting holes I was able slant the scoops wide to narrow to parallel the extensions. I've had a couple of indoor rides and they are very comfortable.

Can you post a few pictures of your setup? That bracket kit slants both the pads and extensions, correct?

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The bracket kit allow for +-10 degrees up/down tilt and the scoops can be slanted using the multiple mounting points/holes. Aero extension brackets are straight but depending on aero extension brand /style can be rotated to narrow as well.

Here are some pictures:

that's another interesting point. i would think the greater majority of people angle their forearms inwards to their extensions - not straight forward. i wasn't able to angle them in using the elongated mounting holes due to the scoops hitting the extensions. perhaps a non-drilled version of these would've worked best here so people can choose their angle/width.

the PD Evo Bracket kit tilts BOTH scoops and extensions. i need something to tilt only the scoops so that the forearm is more aligned with the higher angled extensions and so the forearm makes more contact with the scoop. also, angling only the scoops might help avoid the scoops hitting the extensions.

something like this: https://www.revolverwheels.co.uk/...ree-arm-rest-wedges/

realbdeal wrote:

I noticed that exact same thing with the tilt as well, so I just used one of the spacers included with the scoops with the front bolt of the cups. It doesn't add a ton of tilt, but it's noticeable and definitely helpful. I considered using one of the fatter spacers but if I was going to do that much I think I'd rather use something with a wedge shape and a little more surface area. Even with my high school level CAD skills, I could probably fashion some tiny wedges to add more tilt and 3d print them at a local library.

I used mine for the Challenge Daytona, the grip and area from were far superior to the zipp pads I had. I was locked in with the higher sides, which was nice when I yard sale my draft box. I am going to try this small spacer idea as I didn't use much of the front of the pad. I also moved the scoops back a slot when compared to the zipps. I run my zipp bars at a the 6 degrees of tilt and with the small tilt from the cups I think i would get full contact.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/F45d9rkE3QAUtZvt7

This forum sucks for picture uploads hope this album works. Could we get a trainer road type forum?

What people are asking is to have additional tilt between the scoops and the extensions, not between the extensions/scoops compo vs the base bar. Most of us with the problem have the combo already set up at an angle vs the base bar but want additional incline of the scoops themselves vs the extensions.

Had a chance to ride the TT bike outside for the first time since installing and tweaking the scoops and I absolutely love them now.They come with some black spacers in two thicknesses, not sure what they are for but I took the thinner ones and installed one under the scoop at the most forward bolt and that gave me exactly the angle I was looking for. I've also angled them slightly (the tip pointing slightly inward) and it feels really, really good now. Compared to my ergo cups I had moved them back by 2 rows of holes (I'm using the closed back scoops) but that may have been a touch too far; I'll move them forwards by one row and test it again. But definitely very happy with the upgrade, for my position it'll add a lot more comfort but also stability.

so this is what the scoops look like with the plastic washers supplied. does anyone have a cleaner or a bit more permanent solution? i'm not sure on the dimensions of the revolver wedges and would prefer nothing overhanging the extension clamps.

washers? im really kinda surprised that is the tilt solution from TR.

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So I have just installed my Scoops on my P3. Have not taken it out on the road just yet so you will have to wait for that feedback.
First off, the washers are not, as far as I can gather, a tilt solution from tririg. They state quite clearly that they are in the kit to raise the armrests if needed to clear any aerobar hardware.
In terms of other general impressions:
1. They seem super strong, pretty heavy but granted they are pretty massive.
2. Build quality for mine (arrived a few days ago) are excellent. Usual great tri rig packaging.
3. Install is super easy, as expected as they are going on a tri rig alpha x
4. Width: I was using the ergo cups before this and have needed to go out one space wider as it seemed to be too narrow to be comfortable.
5. They come with a wide variety of bolts etc for installation on various set ups.

The main issue I see at the moment is that I am not currently using as much of the real estate on these as I expected. I have my bars tilted to about 15 degrees and with the extensions my forearms are angled up and hence only make contact with about the first half to 2/3 of the scoops. As others have stated, a spacer below the front mount would do the trick but I do worry about how this changes any loading etc....will give it a few rides to see....

Yeah as the other poster stated, this is not the tilt solution. They are in there to pedestal a bottle cage between your arms to raise it above the scoops.

I went ahead and ordered the 10, 15, 20 degree tilt kit from Aerocoach that someone had linked in this thread earlier. I'll post some pictures when they get in and I get a set installed. I've needed something like this anyways since I've always run a high extension rise and have never had the armpad tilt to match. It just wasn't noticeable enough before the scoops.

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So even as a TriRig-sponsored athlete, you have to go to another manufacturer for a solution???? Wow.

Yes they are wider and thicker. I can't get my normal water bottle holder on any more. I can adjust a bit wider and it will fit, but my arms will be wider than i was with the standard tririg cups. These suckers are big. I only have one ride on them and indoors, but they' re super comfy.

Nope! I have a solution, I wanted to try a different one. And point me to one manufacturer that makes more than just cups/extensions (revolver, wattshop) that includes separate tilt for pads with their bars. Would it be convenient if something came in the box? Sure, but not everyone needs them and I'm sure people don't want to pay anything extra for something they may or may not need, or could do for free.
Also, do people in this thread seem upset? Nope, everyone is thrilled with their scoops even if they require a little tweaking. I don't remember the last time I bought something bike related and just threw it on without any tinkering.

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I expect nothing less from a sponsored athlete. I’m not upset as I haven’t put mine on yet. But it appears they only will work with a tilt solution so hopefully a TriRig developed one for the masses. Their first gen-users experience this sort of trial and error for pretty much evey product.

I'm curious what you want from me here. To mindlessly shill products? To not give honest feedback? I'm here sharing my experiences with others, just like I did before being sponsored. It just happens to be easy because I'm only going to accept sponsorship from companies I genuinely believe in.

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I expect nothing. I hope for legit feedback. I appreciate the comments. Forgive me if I take any comment from a sponsored athlete with a grain of salt. I am very fair of my praise and criticism of TriRig. I don’t have either yet as I haven’t used the product yet but will report back , good or bad, after I do.

What was the solution TriRig offered you?

Honestly, the gripe—if any (again I haven’t tried this yet)—is with TriRig and not you. I expect them to rest their products for use before selling. If not, I would expect them to listen to their sponsored athlete and offer a solution that the early users seem to have without having to go to another manufacturer.

you're right...i had to drill out the TriRig X basebar multiple times to better fit the brake housing and to route eTap wires through the ports. i don't know why TriRig, who's only focus is triathlon, doesn't "real world" test their products long enough to make them future proof. there are a bunch of small issues with these that I think could be easily resolved if someone were to use them before going to market.

We're all tinkering not necessarily because a product doesn't work but because it's probably impossible to truly make something one size fits all. The alpha X does not need drilling for brake routing. Perhaps you didn't feel comfortable with a tight bend or wanted some other solution, but it absolutely does not need drilling.

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you are right, i didn't have to. but i wanted a clean solution.

just like for eTap. i was stuck with 4 port holes in the base bar that didn't fit eTap. it's the small little things that go a long way.

People have been burned by pro triathletes (read: Jordan Rapp) being very dishonest about what he posted about companies he was sponsored by, vs his real experiences, until both parties openly started throwing mud at each other and going after each other in court and it became obvious Rapp had been lying about his sponsor's products. Hence people may be a bit skeptical and that's because they've been burned before.

I believe I was the first one here to point out the 'issue' with the tilt of the scoops, and in my opinion this is something that probably nobody thought of beforehand and caught everyone off guard. If you were to ride with S-bends you may not see it at all; maybe it gets more obvious with J-bends. Either way, we're talking about an issue where the solution doesn't need much more than a washer that can be included in the future. For us early adopters, we'll just need to find it ourselves. I'd suggest rather than some of us complaining about the problem we help each other with the solution instead. Those washers that are included but are intended for the hydration system work fine but I don't want to use metal ones. I'll order something out of Teflon from McMaster.

Yikes, lots of arrows flying around in this thread! Thanks Ben for chiming in!

For the sake of clarity, Scoops are "arm cups." That's what's described, and that's what's sold. They are not "arm cups + a dedicated arm cup tilt mechanism meant to work independently of the aerobar or extensions, regardless of what aerobar you are on" as some folks in the thread seem to think.

I didn't describe Scoops that way, ever. And in fact, I don't know of any arm cup on the planet that is described or sold that way. But it's an interesting idea, and certainly worth thinking about!

My present thoughts are as follows. The trouble with "just stick a wedge under it" is that now you have countersunk bolts that remain parallel to the horizon, while the cups tilt up. So essentially the outer edge of the bolt will dig into the pads (or your arms). Maybe that's not an issue at 5 degrees. Maybe it is a big issue at 15 degrees. I don't know - I haven't developed or tested solutions for "arm cup tilt mechanism meant to work independently of the aerobar or extensions" as mentioned. Some folks like Ben are just trying it out on their own. It's not how Scoops were developed, described, marketed, or sold, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. Just not how we conceived them. We conceived their ideal use as going on our bars, which already have up to 17.5 degrees of tilt, which applies to both the pads and extensions. True for Alpha X and Alpha One.

I'm not sure where all the confusion (and maybe anger?) is coming from that we don't already offer the "arm cup tilt mechanism meant to work independently of the aerobar or extensions" - or why people think we have advertised such a solution. But if there's something we wrote that I should be addressing, I would be happy to know about it so I can address it. That's not meant sarcastically - I make plenty of mistakes of that variety and others.

Finally, the spacers. Those are indeed to add clearance, if needed, for the cups themselves, and/or a BTA cage. Not meant as a tilt mechanism.

Ok, I hope that's *somewhat* informative. If not, let me know what else I can answer!

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Thanks for chiming in.

I never understood the point of some of the new pads with forearm support to begin with without the option of tilting them independently of the bars/extensions. I'm guessing the point is to get similar forearm support as some of the expensive integrated options but that will clearly never work unless the pads can be tilted to your arm angle. As long as there's some rise in the extensions the pads clearly needs to be at a greater angle than the bars/extensions to get the support the pads are intended to provide.

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There are still plenty of people that run flat arms though, including some of the best in the sport:



As soon as you add built in tilt that ruins it for those people. But like many of us have noted here, it took all of 5 minutes of fiddling to add the right amount of tilt in.

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I said without the option of tilting the pads and while some run flat arms many also run with some angle to their arms. I also don't even think Tririg offer an extension without some amount of tilt so effectively you mean they're selling a pad that only works perfectly with extensions they don't manufacture themselves?

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I'd disagree strongly with that. I think our Scoops + Gamma One is a perfect match, when the Scoops and Gamma One are tilted together (as they do on our bars). You don't need to tilt the pads independently to make good use of them; the rise of the extensions compared to the cups is a very good relationship, offering very good contact with the pad and offering a very comfortable hand position. Gamma One has 75mm of rise.

Now, looking at other extensions. If you have a LOT of rise compared to your arm cup angle, then you may not have 100% contact with the entirety of the pad. Someone above mentioned about 2/3 contact. It became vogue recently to produce extensions with 100mm+ of rise. This was primarily to provide tilt to folks whose bars did NOT tilt. However, our bars DO tilt. So massive-rise extensions aren't needed to have a nice tilt, plus hands in a good position, plus lots of contact on the Scoops.

However, if you want to tilt your extension mounts by 17 degrees, AND still use extensions with 100mm+ rise, AND you want 100% contact on your forearms with the scoops, then you are in the very narrow category that Ben finds himself in. He is using prototype extensions that we don't sell at the moment, with 115mm of rise. He is tinkering with a solution to increase his contact with the Scoops, but even without that, he has given us the feedback that it's the most comfortable he has ever been. So I consider that a big win.

As mentioned above, the idea of independent pad tilt is an interesting idea, but right now, we don't think it's needed for most folks.

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I think long pads are a good idea for many reasons but if you create a pad with, I'm guessing, the objective of supporting as much of the arm as possible, including part way up the forearm, the pad clearly needs to be at the same angle as the arm in order to do that. You don't need to have a massive rise in the extensions for it to be an issue if you can't tilt the pads more than the bars. Just look at what all the integrated options look like if you don't understand that point. I don't think it's a useless product at all but I think it's an oversight if people buy the pads to get maximum support.

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I appreciate the feedback, and I can understand the theoretical situation you’re describing. We are always open to thinking about the future of product; that's what TriRig is all about!

However, on the practical side, we continue to sell these faster than we can make them, and we have gotten very positive feedback from the folks who actually have them. So for now, that suggests to me that the product is being well received in practice. We don't get the sense that there is any major "oversight" as you're suggesting. But we're always listening, thinking, tinkering, and moving towards the future.

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Had anyone tried these on a felt IA system?

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Not sure how theoretical the situation is when in this thread alone you have several people, including one of your own sponsored athletes, having to make their own solutions to get contact with more than 1/2 to 2/3 of the pad. I'm happy you're doing well with the product and I'm sure the they can be comfortable either way. I've just been curious how these type of pads are meant to work 100% without an independent pad tilt option.

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Probably important to note that if you want long arm cups that work on pretty much any bar, the ONLY option right now is the Scoops. Culprit is coming out with their long pads as well, but as for now, they're just in pre-order. Maybe in a year we'll all look back and say, "Gee remember when long cups didn't have independent pad tilt?", but for now I think most people who can't drop $2500 on a custom setup can appreciate the fact that there is an option out there, available for purchase, right now.

And sure while I'm sponsored by the company in question, I like to think I'd extend this mindset to any company that brings a cost effective solution to market first.

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I use the Gamma 24 extensions which have 67mm of rise, but definitely still need a bit if extra pad rise vs the extensions.

I agree, and I've said this on other forums as well. If a bar like the one TriRig produces only tilts to 15-16 degrees and you run a J bend bar you're going to have a forearm angle of 20+ degrees. So if your elbow is in the cup you are immediately losing contact with the armrest beyond the first 5-6cm. So now the only thing the scoops are doing, are scooping air.

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Hi crew, it is great that you are open enough to come on here and get direct feedback from some consumers (and probably the more vocal ones at that). I am somewhat of a tri-rig fan boi and as mentioned before, have yet to get outdoors with my scoops just yet, but to date agree with what has been mentioned. I run the Alpha X with gamma extensions and with them tilted I am only making contact with the first 1/2 to 2/3 of the scoop. I do feel like if there was a natural 5 degree tilt built into the scoops it would make them even better. I also realise the design issues that this then imposes. I am reluctant to put a washer etc under the front of the scoops as I don't want to change any load bearing points etc, but might be something to think about moving forwards?

I dont get it. Why not trim more of the front of the extensions so you're gripping it lower (slide extensions forward to maintain reach) and then tilt the pads together with the extensions? Why are people trying to create a bigger gap between the extensions and their forearms?

yes - although i do have the tririg alpha x kit with zipp vuka evo 110 extensions



exactly - all i'm asking for is a 5 degree tilt on the scoops alone to get me to reach my extensions while using more than 1/3 of the scoop length.

tririg - the "countersunk" bolt holes on the scoops aren't very "sunk" - nothing like the ergo cups that are actually flush. and if the washers were meant for the BTA, they don't do much. the height clearance isn't the issue, it's the width. these scoops are massive, so if you want a BTA setup, you'll need a pretty wide arm pad to arm pad setup. i'm currently using the washer for the lack of "tilt" until someone chimes in with an alternative solution - possibly revolver's wedges.

Casper-I envy how narrow you can get! I was using the scoops on their second most widest point which just fits my BTA set ups but that feels super narrow for me. Hence have now gone to the widest setting. I am tall and broad shouldered and need these to be comfortable for 4-6 hour rides, so happy to sacrifice being super narrow for some comfort!

You’re effectively suggesting to reduce tilt, by bringing the position of the hands lower. The whole point is to bring the ends higher so I can partially hide my face behind my hands for better aerodynamics.

No. I'm suggesting keeping the tilt by increasing it at the extensions instead of the pads.

If you're trying to look like Antony Costes then you already know that you'll need one of the many wedges available from TT shops in the UK. Those who ride reasonable tilt can just adjust the extension tilt of their bars.

If i am bringing my hands lower, that’s effectively reducing the tilt of my forearm. My hands are closer to the ground, my forearms are more horizontal, vs a higher position. You’re suggesting to alter the fit to make the scoops work; I want to make the scoops work for my existing fit.

I don't think you should be providing them or anything, but not all wedges work that way. Some are threaded so that all bolts remain perpendicular to the cups. These are the ones people should be buying if they need extreme tilt. Anything within the tilt range of the aerobars: just tilt the extensions up and grab them lower.

https://www.syncergonomics.com/shop/arm-cup-wedges

https://www.revolverwheels.co.uk/...ree-arm-rest-wedges/

No, you just misunderstood me, so I'll rephrase. I'm suggesting to maintain the same forearm angle by tilting the extensions up together with the cups instead of tilting just the cups and using high rise bars.

I see three scenarios if someone is trying to reach tilt X:
1. Your aerobar has tilt adjustment and X is within the adjustment range. So you can use that tilt adjust and grab the extension lower.
2. Your aerobar has tilt adjustment and X is beyond the adjustment range. You need wedges.
3. Your aerobar has no tilt adjustment so you need wedges.

I'm assuming people are in category 1 and they haven't maxed out the tilt adjust (most people). If you're in category 2 or 3, then you should already have known that a long cup won't contact your forearm if you don't use wedges.

You just need to elevate the bottle higher so that it's above the scoops. 5mm bolts are available in a very wide assortment of longer lengths, then you need a spacer of some sort, there are lots of options that you could find at any decent hardware store, aluminum or plastic spacers with the appropriate size hole, or you could use some aluminum tubing cut to length with a hacksaw. Should be a pretty easy DIY solution.

Mr. Lenzke,

I didn't see a for sure compatibility with the speed concept, so just wanted to check before I order them, did you need anything extra for them to work with the SC? Or do they fit pretty well.
Thank you

Interested

No issues at all. Im waiting for my aero coach angled spacers to arrive so I can add a bit more comfort

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Perfect, I'm planning on that same setup

I'd be in category 2, since I'm already at max tilt with the Alpha X front end. So that means adding 'something' to align the scoops with the extensions. For a majority of people this is an unexpected problem, Tri-Rig says it isn't a problem and you might say it's an obvious thing everyone should have known beforehand. Either way, it appears to be the source of some debate and something requiring solutions.

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Wow, looks awesome!!!

thanks for posting pictures.

your setup is where many people will have issues getting their hands high enough while keeping their forearms rested on the actual scoops. the higher the angle of the extensions, the less contact with the forearm. this is what i'm experiencing using the Vuka 110. hence the discussion for a wedge to tilt the scoops only to reach the extensions.

Rocket_racing wrote:

Very cool, except that they limit bta bottle options if you run narrow arms. May not be for me.

Here are pics of my setup on alpha x bars. I am thinking if i really like how it feels like this i will just cut the scoops to fit my bta. I am not afraid of cutting and drilling haha. Also for those just looking at pics, notice how i might die because I took to 20 mm spacers and cut them on a angle to match my high hand position perfectly. I really does feel nice so far.
Here is a link to pics, this forum is soo hard to add pictures!!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/sNzEhfhHKMrdaEfJ6

Now that's a very slick build, but it illustrates a limitation of Alpha X, and suggests you'd be better served by Alpha One. What I mean is, you want your stack so low, and your tilt so high, and you were forced to undermount your extensions, then use a very high-rise extension to get the shifters as high as you needed. Alpha One would likely serve you better, letting you keep everything up top, still achieve the same position but with less frontal area.

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My angle if i measured it correctly is 28 degrees, and the max tilt the alpha one has is 17, and then i would do wedges too? what is the best setup? I had 20 degree wedges that were not enough.

I got mine and I can't seem to get comfortable on them. I will go back to the regular TriRig ones. If anyone wants to purchase my brand new TriRig Scoops PM me. Ridden only once indoor.

- Bilal

I've found you may need to tweak the position a bit vs the standard cups - angle them so the tips point inwards a bit, and maybe move them more forward or backwards. I really like mine now they're set up well especially when I ride outside. Indoors is a lot more difficult but that's mostly due to my position. Point being - I'd suggest to try it outside and see how it feels, it may feel more obvious how to set them up so they're more comfortable than cups.

To get my Scoops dialed in I added the Aerocoach 15 degree wedges. I am using the Tririg Apha X bars, but the tilt kit on these alone was not enough for my position. I am running a High Hands position and the combination of the tririg Tilt, pad risers and the backstop of the Scoops feels about perfect.

can you post a pic of the aerocoach wedges mounted? with a 15 degree wedge, can you feel the bolt stick out under the foam pad (i'm guessing it's not very flush with the scoop bolt holes).

Do these work for flat hands positions at all? It seems like everyone says they need some sort of tilt to get the full experience out of them

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By “flat hands” do you mean no tilt?? I think would be be great with no tilt. In that position you probably have more pressure on arms and these would spread those pressure points out.

The issues people are raising come from too much tilt.

Yes I mean no tilt. I'm running 3T aduro on my P2 and am looking to increase comfort, but there are no real options for tilt with these bars to go with something like the drag2zero poles. I'm just running standard ski bends with the standard cups with ceegees pads, and that's about the best I can do right now

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That's not really correct - it's due to the arm not running parallel to the extensions whenever the cup is closer to the extension compared to how far the hand is from a virtual extension that had no bend in it. The scoops run parallel to the extensions but in reality the forearm doesn't (in most cases), rather it's slightly angled. This is not at all noticeable with standard cups but becomes visible with scoops.

I think the same problem may occur with a horizontal setup without tilt if you use extensions with a high stack. Anything with a J-bend should have the same problem whereas anS-bend might not.

You are right re: angle. Point taken. But I still think from a pressure point perspective these will work well with no tilt.

I have a brand new set of these if anyone is interested. $135 shipped.

Open or closed back? Thanks

Super happy with my set-up. Open back scoops with Drag2zero new extensions.

I want a Cube Aerium badly, and might end up copying your setup entirely.

You won´t regret it!

Looks awesome! Few questions:

1. Stock Cube Aerium risers and tilt mechanism?
2. D2Z Hi Rise extensions?
3. Specs on the angled spacer / riser?

1) yes
2) yes
3) Aerocoach 10 degree angled spacer

Really works like a charm for far less money than a Speedbar or similar and still freedom of adjustability. I now wonder if the closed back scoops would perhaps even been better but for the moment I’m very happy with the set-up

https://imgur.com/a/BWisK9Y

Tried to use this site, but too much trouble.

How did you get the PD bottle to attach to Tririg aerobar?

Drilled a couple of holes into the top of the Aeria bottle and screwed into them via the BTA mount.

I think that’s the PD Aeria Ultimate bars.

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Love how the bottle looks from the front, but not as much from the side. My recollection is I found it a little splashy too. But, overall it’s nice and looks great on your set up.

No, 3 orange lines= TriRig.

Would someone mind measuring the length and width of the open backed scoop pads when they lay flat? The scoops are too long to clear my extensions and the ergo doesn't have enough wrap for my tastes, so I'm having something custom made and need to find pads that are long enough and i can trim to fit. Tririg pads seem to be well regarded

The open backed scoop pad is flat on the table 115mm wide and 208mm long. 5mm thick.

Thanks!

I already installed 6 scoops (open back) 2 in Ceepo Katana, 2 in Cervelo P5 Disc, 1 in Felt IA (Female Pro Podium in Ironman Vitoria), 1 in Orbea Ordu (Male Pro Podium in Ironman Vitoria) and found new ways of positioning in TT Bikes; riders still prefering high hands, but using medium rise bars.

Not everybody likes them, but almost.

Got my closed backs on today, seem nice but need to get a good ride in on them.

Have you had any issues with the pads moving as the bolt holes are not countersunk? Also the mounting was very difficult as the openings don't seem to line up well with other manufacturer patterns (PD and Specialized not quite lined up, AlphaX was fine). Mounted them on new Shiv Disc, and the bolts do not sit properly in the holes, so even at 6Nm the pads still pivot/slide when I apply force to them. Haven't ridden outside yet, and they are not totally loose, but I can see where a big bump may cause them to pivot/spin somewhat.

Not sure if I should be using more than 6Nm, but as the bolt head is pretty much digging into the Carbon at the edge of the hole/slot, I didn't want to use more torque as it doesn't seem the load is evenly distributed like it would be if the bolt was sitting properly in the hole.

I had the same issue with my open backs. They don't line up very well with the PD Aeria Ultimate bar holes. I was able to get them in and pretty snug, but the bolts are side by side and not diagonal as I would like them.

I did use them for a 3.5 hour trainer ride yesterday and was super comfortable up front. I want to like them and keep them but I need to have my LBS take a look at them first.

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Strava

How much did you torque them down, more than 6Nm?

They are super comfortable, but I am also a bit worried. Looking at alternatives like Wattshop Anemoi two piece cups, but nothing has quite that length.

I was just riding on the trainer so I didn't use my torque wrench - just tightened them enough to the point where the scoops were secure.

I'm actually headed to the wind tunnel on Feb 25th so I will test these against the stock pads. I am going to take my bike into the shop before I ride them outside and see if they can figure out the best way to secure them.

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Strava

I'm pretty sure side by side bolts are okay even on long cups. I just helped mount some ergo cups to my friends QR PR Six with some allow PD bars and there are only 4 mounting holes on each side, all in a horizontal line so of course we had to use two of those. I wouldn't have worried about it even with the scoops though.

As far as the sliding goes for OP, I would consider trying just a little bit of carbon grip paste between the cups and your mounts. It won't seal it or anything, and may provide just enough grip to stop the sliding without having to torque any harder.

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my install of the scoops was on the alpha x bar and the holes align perfectly.

but you are correct, the countersunk bolts provided do not sit well with the drilled holes in the scoops - not flush at all. i already see some carbon being chipped/scratched on the scoops from the bolt digging into the bolt hole. i haven't done any rides outside (only indoors on the trainer), but I don't feel 100% confident the bolts won't become loose over time.

I might be able to get them lined up better with two vertical (Specialized) or two side-by-side (PD), and maybe that limits the shifting as they will be secured better. BUT that dramatically limits my fit options and I am not sure I can get them in the right position if I am limited to effectively 2 options, with the two verticals being right next to each other in the middle of the cup.

Carbon paste sounds at best like a bit of a hack. If I go that route, perhaps it is just better to gently file out the holes to allow the bolts to sit properly. As some mentioned there is carbon already being stripped by the bolts, how "structural" is the top piece of carbon versus the foam core and bottom piece of carbon?

Perhaps I missed it, will you be offering the scoops with the Alpha One?

I'm planning on ordering the Alpha One/Scoops/Omega/Delta (replicating the front-end of the Speedmax CF build you featured), but I need the -20 that the scoops offer, so the stock ergo cups are not of much use for me. It would be great if these were bundled so I dont have to get the ergo cups too.

Would dremel-ing out the existing holes to make them larger to fit another bar more closely, and to let the bolt heads sit down into the cups be an acceptable option for the Scoops? I have a Shiv Tri Disc and the spacing between the bolts is to small for everything but the adjacent vertical holes on the scoops. Because of this the bolts don't sit down into the countersunk spaces (I think). Filing or dremel-ing out a mm or so would probably give the required clearance, I just want to make sure this isn't going to affect the structural integrity. Hopeful as I found the below note on the original Ergo cups:

• Original Ergo Cups - CLEARANCE - our remaining inventory of Ergo Cups will sell at 1/2 price. If the spacing is not identical to your current bar, you can dremel out a small slot for the bolt, some users have done this

Would you mind sharing a photo of this? I'm trying to conceptualize this and failing.... but I love the idea!

No plans for a bundle at present. Scoops will remain a separate purchase item for the foreseeable future.

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You definitely DO NOT want to dremel any of our current cups. That was a note for our old style cups that had circular holes with no slots. It no longer apples to anything we sell. Sorry for the confusion, we just took that note down.

Also, Scoops DO have countersunk bolt surfaces. Just, they are a little shallow, and the countersunk area gets rounded a bit when the carbon is sanded. The countersunk bolts supplied with them are the best option.

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What would be torque suggestion for these? Due to the fact that they don’t line up properly with either the PD or Shiv bolt holes, the bolts do not sit properly in the countersunk holes, so I am not sure how high they can be safely torqued as they dig into the top/edge of the hole, and the carbon somewhat flakes away. At 6Nm they are not tight enough to prevent sideways motion of the cups under reasonable to high twisting pressure. Can they safely be torqued higher than 6Nm? If not I don’t think they are safe for use on the road for me as an abrupt bump that results in my forearms twisting could cause them to slip etc...

The only way they fit properly is to use the stacked verticals, on in front of the other, (Shiv) or adjacent horizontal (PD) holes which have smaller space in between the holes than a mismatched horizontal/vertical pair. Unfortunately that drastically reduces the fit options as for the Shiv I have to use 1 of the two stacked vertical holes in the middle of the cups.

I find it ironic that the same person that told me their brake would work on the rear of my P5 and when it didn't suggested that I drill a hole in the downtube of a brand new frame to make it work, is now saying not to modify his products.

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i modified the shit out of my alpha x bar and scoops ;)

i'm finally done with my setup - for a while.

spending $100+ on wedges is just dumb so i sourced some wedges meant for skateboarding from sk8kings and this works perfectly. you can select how many degrees wedge you need and they come as a pair for $6! i bought the 5 degree wedges, trimmed them up and now my scoops align my forearms perfectly with my vukka 110 extensions. i have no wrist bend at all, this is the most comfort i've been on the bike and such a natural position.

http://www.sk8kings.com/...amp;Category_Code=WR

Can you post a pic of them installed?

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i guess the attachments didn't come through earlier...here they are

Hello, any feed back after few months of use?
Of those who bought them, would you recommend them?
Thanks

Do you guys have full dimensions of the open backed scoops? How wide are they; how tall are the sides?

I was only able to see the bolt hole spacing and the total length on your website.

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Approx 100mm wide. Total height approx 44mm.

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I was reading on their site that the scoops wouldn't work with the Speed Concept because of the M4 bolts. They claim the scoops only works with M5 and M6 bolts that are supplied. How did you get them to work? I will pull the trigger and pick some up if I know they will work.

I'm not sure if the M4 threads could be tapped out to M5 threading, probably not but someone with better machinist skills could chime in. You could certainly use an M5 helicoil insert with the appropriate tools, but that's getting kind of elaborate. Kind of a kludge, but you could drill out the M4 to M5 and just pass slightly longer bolts through with a nut underneath the armpad bar. I'd definitely loctite the nuts. And of course if you ever wanted to go back to the original SC pads you'd have to order a new armpad bar from Trek. But a bigger concern is that the armpad bar is fairly narrow front to back. The scoops would put a lot of leverage on that small bar, it's pretty robust but I don't know if the scoops are designed to handle the leverage that would occur with such a small contact area.

i'm runing scoops on my SC and love them - i just got longer M4 bolts. i do have some concerns about the potential leverage of the long scoops on the single point of clamping along their length but i think as long as you are relatively relaxed in the cups you are just putting in the same load as with any other cups. just make sure you have the bolts in the center of pressure (which is most likely towards the rear)

there are a few connections in the SC bar setup that seem potentially weak to me, this is not the worst of them

So, most of this is correct. YES, the M4 threads can indeed be expanded to M5 with the right tools, even done with hand tools by an amateur. Other Speed Concept owners have just used the M4 bolts, with a broader washer between the bolts and Scoops. That should work just fine. I doubt the leverage is a concern, but we have not tested this, so I can't comment definitively. As mentioned above, other SC owners are using the Scoops without issue.

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Haven’t seen a post on this yet, but apologies if it’s a repeat...

I asked the guys at CeeGees about 6 months ago if they were going to make pads for the Tririg Scoops, and luckily their answer was a yes. I’ve gotten to test a pair on the closed scoops through the spring, and here are my thoughts:

- Bottom line for TLDR: Really comfortable pads and they’re finally for sale at CeeGees (I am not compensated or sponsored; just my review for anyone with Tririg Scoops.)
- Not nearly as thick as traditional CeeGees due to all the required curves. I don’t notice any lack of padding, maybe because my weight is distributed over such a large area.
- The thinner padding is a huge positive IMO as they don’t affect the fit. They’re 7.5mm vs the stock 5mm...sure, I get that’s a 2.5mm difference, but I’d venture it’s less when compressed under weight.
- Like other CeeGees models, they just don’t get permanently compressed or get hot spots even on a long ride. Padding feels the same all day. To be fair, I never rode the originals on more than about a 3-hr ride on smooth roads, and they were fine, but I could feel where the holes were underneath. The CeeGees are just a bit more substantial.
- They feel much cooler, and when they’re wet, I don’t feel like I’m stuck to them, but they always keep my arms in place. That stickiness on the stock pads was my main complaint, especially with my training season hairy arms. Not an issue with CeeGees. Since it’s gotten really warm, I like to dump ice water on them so all that surface area is cold on my arms.
- I think they’re cut just slightly larger than the stock pads. That’s a positive as my only other complaint about those was that I’d sometimes catch an edge of the scoops on my arm when going down to aero or after reaching for a drink. The CeeGees don’t hang over the edges, though, so we’re not talking about much additional size.

Like I wrote above, really positive experience with these, so I’d highly recommend. I’m a fan of the Tririg bars—both Alpha X and Alpha One—and the combo of Scoops and CeeGees just made them perfect.

Right now, CeeGees has only had access to my closed back scoops, and that’s all they have available, but if you have the open back version, look up Gordon at CeeGees, and I bet he can make it happen.

I received the open scoops three days ago.
As I was expecting they look a little bit bulky but in fact the total width of the setup (cervelo p3 with 3T bar) has the same width than before.
They are extremely comfortable so far and ai am quite sure that I could stay more in aero position.
Only question mark would be how to deal with sweat since there is no fabric on the pad.
Si far happy with the purchase.

What year is your Speed Concept? i just received mine and read the "fine print" that they may not work with speed concepts due to M4 bolts vs. M5 or M6 that come with the scoops.

What did you do for hardware to attach the scoops? Or did you retap the existing holes to make them larger?

I wasnt confident with any bolt/pad combo. Nothing really felt stable. Im back on 51 SS arm cups

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You should probably start your own thread if you're going to push your product. It's more professional and will get you more exposure.

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Thanks, we are working on it!

This looks like it would impair a clear line of sight at the road. I'm not so sure I'm into this solid arm rests for safety reasons...Seems like a hazard at first glance.

I'm their newsletter tririg have announced ore orders for the new open back and closed back SL smaller size lighter scoops starting delivery In Dec. Price is 275 open 285 closed and current model is now discounted.

I'm still running my original cups from 2019 but will consider the upgrade as seems many ppl can settle into the bigger scoops longer.

So time to ressurect the thread. Anyone seen the SL yet? BTW for anyone who previously had issues on customer service tririg have massively upped their game delivery is super fast u can do one on one chats with cust service online, its probably the best service experience I've had in the market.

@realbdeal hopefully can share re the scoops

I actually haven't gotten my hands on a set of the new SL open or closed back yet so I can't comment too much at the moment. I suspect there won't be much of a reason to move to those from the current ones unless you're looking to really scrape the bottom of the marginal gain bucket. They are slightly narrower and lighter. The current versions will continue to be sold as well. The bigger change is the Scoops Ultimate will be going only to the 'SL' line (also don't have those yet). Those come with a few changes to them but seems to be all good quality of life things which will also make them more accessible to more riders.

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