He's going to start coaching?

I was hoping he picked Canyon, for the laughs it would give us here on ST

Specialized Lionel Sanders edition products coming soon just like Peter Sagan lol

lol

Was thinking the same thing; however, the thought of Lionel, who sucks at bike handling, trying to refill the new fuelselage on the fly is hilarious!

Come on now. Specialized didn’t design it to be refilled on the fly so obviously no one would try to do that since it wasn’t designed that way.

Quit triathlon and try cycling.

He'd crash too much though.

He quiting and becoming a pro golfer,
Tiger will be his "ADVISOR" because he doesn't need a coach!

Fidelity advisor ?

Regardless of whatever this is, does it really deserve an announcement and an announcement to the announcement?

Regardless of whatever this is, does it really deserve an announcement and an announcement to the announcement? How many people would schedule such a thing to announce a new coach, a new bike sponsor, hell anything?

It's Lionel turtles all the way down. If you're caught in the loop, swim sideways to shore to escape. (Yes, this is getting ridiculous.)

Every triathlete that wants to make money should take a lesson in marketing from sanders, And every company looking for an athlete should look at Sanders

I know I am not looking forward to an announcement from any other triathlete


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Patrick Lange hasn't had 10% the traction since Kona.

Patrick Lange hasn't had 10% the traction since Kona.

On Slowtwitch, no doubt.
In Canada, I bet.
In USA, possibly.
In the rest of the world, which makes up >95% of human population, probably not.

I can only guess, but I'd be surprised if most Europeans (or the ones who care about Ironman, at least) are walking around after Kona saying "but hey that guy who used to have a moustache and runs funny but doesnt know how to eat sure was fast on part of the bike course".

I'm actually a bit of a fan, but some perspective might be in order. We're a tiny little community here.

I live in eastern Europe. People who like triathlon here, are fond of Sanders, just like USA and Canada. The only difference IMO is Kienle. He is very popular among the field

Should be interesting. Could go a few different ways. I think the teaser video wants us to believe it's a new bike sponsor, but I think it's got nothing to do with that. Maybe more info on his 2019 race schedule or just an update on his coaching/advisors setup moving forward.

It's Lionel turtles all the way down. If you're caught in the loop, swim sideways to shore to escape. (Yes, this is getting ridiculous.)

Regardless of whatever this is, does it really deserve an announcement and an announcement to the announcement? How many people would schedule such a thing to announce a new coach, a new bike sponsor, hell anything?

Not aero enough to be a top TT rider, not light enough to climb, can't sprint, would spend the entire time at the back dodging elbows and kissing pavement. He is exactly where he should be unless they reintroduce 100km+ TT stages in grand tours.

Yes.

Regardless of whatever this is, does it really deserve an announcement and an announcement to the announcement? How many people would schedule such a thing to announce a new coach, a new bike sponsor, hell anything?

I agree that announcements of announcements are stupid and make you look like a self pompous ass. Not to mention that is typically un-Lionel, in the sense that he's usually been straightforward with thoughts, uncensored and not premeditated. It does feel like a large sponsor is taking over, and it doesn't make either Lionel or the sponsor look good.

I don't think that generating a bit of interest/ hype is a bad thing.
If people don't like him then they won't be interested in the first place and won't even see the announcement.
If somebody is a fan then they may look forward to it.

I don't think that generating a bit of interest/ hype is a bad thing.
If people don't like him then they won't be interested in the first place and won't even see the announcement.
If somebody is a fan then they may look forward to it.

That's the weird thing - people who don't like him still follow him and then bitch about it.

Living in Western Europe, completely agree with what Evgen said. Even though he makes unprofessional mistakes over and over again, he is by far the most entertaining thing in the field.

He is making changes. Haven’t you seen the announcement of the announcement! (:

My best guesses:

1. Moving to Bend
2. Partnership with Triathlon Taren
3. Partnership with Talbot Cox
4. New training partner Durianrider
5. Moving from Freshii to Little Debbie’s
6. Trying a new Gatorade prototype
7. Training camp in Mallorca
8. Decided he needs to do more indoor training
9. Transitioning to Olympic swimming
10. Shaving the stache to go full hipster

I agree that announcements of announcements are stupid and make you look like a self pompous ass. Not to mention that is typically un-Lionel, in the sense that he's usually been straightforward with thoughts, uncensored and not premeditated. It does feel like a large sponsor is taking over, and it doesn't make either Lionel or the sponsor look good.

Guys, it's so obvious!

Lionel drops Freshii and picks up Pizza Hut. Will have pizza served on the pro "fluids" table at all major events.

The most annoying thing is when someone responds to your post as a general comment to the original post because they don't now how threading works.

11.16
Maybe he just needs to take a dump.

The poem was actually quite good. Thanks for sharing :^)

-Eric

It's not the user's fault, it's slowtwitch's fault. The usability of this message board is completely broken. It should either enforce a flat view for everybody, or a threaded view for everybody.

I can get a threaded view?

He would be the perfect breakaway partner with Thomas De Gendt!

hes started eating meat again?

It's not the user's fault, it's slowtwitch's fault. The usability of this message board is completely broken. It should either enforce a flat view for everybody, or a threaded view for everybody.

IT IS CANYON!

https://www.lsanderstri.com/blog/11-16

IT IS CANYON!

https://www.lsanderstri.com/blog/11-16

My coffee should still be warm 👍
☕️

What's the over/under on Lionel threads created today?

Oh and front-door brag: I called Canyon. Can't wait to see whats next!

Ryzon or Fusion kits...
Asics or New Balance...
... Team Erdinger or Team BE13?!

Everytime I see your footer one ST I laugh my head off. HAHAHA

"You're such a Trump ball washer! - Duffy"


Also Everyone I will spill the beans its Argon 18! SHHHHHHHH

When does he release his line of espresso and move to Girona?

No!
I really hope we are not losing another good athlete to the Canyon marketing machine.
Too bad

Everytime I see your footer one ST I laugh my head off. HAHAHA

"You're such a Trump ball washer! - Duffy"


Also Everyone I will spill the beans its Argon 18! SHHHHHHHH

I mean it's a great bike but it loses 2-4 watts to the Premier Tactical across a yaw spectrum. Hell it doesn't even beat an 8yo Scott Plasma 3 that's been modified.

I like how they look but there are faster bikes out there if the fit is right.

I mean it's a great bike but it loses 2-4 watts to the Premier Tactical across a yaw spectrum. Hell it doesn't even beat an 8yo Scott Plasma 3 that's been modified.

I like how they look but there are faster bikes out there if the fit is right.

Maybe Canyon, now distributed in the US, was looking for a high profile triathlete to get some marketing traction, Talansky not really being at the level yet.

I don't get all the talk about improving his bike and position...........shouldn't he just be focusing on getting better in the water??

he was already a sub-hour swimmer in kona, and he still took 6min or 7min off his kona swim time in 1 year, didn't he? what is your counsel to him? what should he have done differently?

Being on a Canyon also, he is now sure to be on par (golf is everywhere) with Lange and Frodeno for next year Kona (and the year after ?), whatever come out from Canyon wind tunnel...

(plus Canyon was probably ready to pay for such a "fan favorite", as Dan call him, rightly)

a scott plasma 5, in your opinion is it a faster choice ?

Regardless of whatever this is, does it really deserve an announcement and an announcement to the announcement? How many people would schedule such a thing to announce a new coach, a new bike sponsor, hell anything?

Awesome. Canyan Speedmax just looks awesome. So glad he’s not on that new Shiv.

I don't get all the talk about improving his bike and position...........shouldn't he just be focusing on getting better in the water??

Speaking of fit, he looks too stretched out in the intro clips.

no. Amateurs work on their limiters, champions work on their strengths.

You do realise there is a whole great big world outside of North America, don't you? As in, 95% of the population of the world does not reside in North America.

too stretched out for what exactly??

too stretched out for what exactly??

I'm in agreement with you, but it's not an either/or; it's best to optimize both. I actually think he can make those swim improvements and I say this because of what Sebi did this year. I don't think people realize, Sebi had the swim of his career that was going to put him in a great spot if it wasnt for the flat and issues with the flat. Like he gapped LS this year, and I don't think that's happened at the big island since those 2 have been attached at the hip with the swims the past few years. Listening to LS, I think he saw good improvements in the swim and he realizes what got him his improvements. I think he was a broken man post Kona this year and is going to prescribe a system that gets his swim there.

Don't you worry... he's got something custom coming direct from global HQ in Koblenz, and I've got tracking on it. We'll let Lionel reveal that at his leisure, tho.

Sanders in Tri is like Peter Sagan in Road racing.

Are you at all aware of the swim work he has already put in, and the commitment he has currently made, moving countries, re swimming?

Why do you think a new bike is incompatible with swimming faster?

Do people actually read posts on this forum or just see what they want to see?

Not even close.

Any wonder why so few of the pros ever bother to come on here.

Last year was actually the only year they have been even close in the swim. Kienle also had an even better swim in 2015 than this year so he's been way more solid in Kona overall. I'm sure Lionel can make good improvements but I think he might have more work ahead of him than Kienle did.

I never said that. He just seems to be so open about addressing everything he is trying to change, I was simply wondering why no mention of the swim.
Apparently that means I have a fetish for him, and don't believe he should be able to work on his biking at all.......sigh.....

This forum never ceases to amaze me.

"The Garneau is crap - he should be riding something different", he gets one of the fastest bikes, and easily the most successful bikes, and it's "well it's not the fastest, it's at least 0.77773256 watts slower than my polished turd on square wheels".

"His position's crap - he should get fitted by someone who knows what they're doing." He goes to IOG and it's "god his position could be better".

"He can't swim for sh*t." Goes to Kona, swims faster than he has previously and it becomes "he's still a sh*t swimmer and he should focus on that to the exclusion of everything else - who needs to seek improvements elsewhere - he's such an idiot"

"He's so stupid for going it alone". Ok, I'll engage with a series of coaches and advisers "God, you're stupid. You're doomed to fail as you'll never listen to them."

"Why are there so many Lionel Sanders threads - there are other triathletes you know". Oh, another Lionel Sanders thread, I know, i'll go on there and complain about it.

"It's great we've got an athlete who is engaging with the fans and sharing information about his daily life". "F**k you Talbot Cox, what you do is sh*t and I wish Lionel Sanders would focus more on improving than the stupid videos he does".

Any wonder why so few of the pros ever bother to come on here.

And before anyone comments, the irony of this is not lost on me. I am coming on the forum to complain about it.

My view.

Lionel is one of the best things to happen to the sport in a long time. He has more reach and appeal than anyone else. Even Jan. Canyon signing him was absolutely the right thing to do. He may not be the "best" but that's not what sells. Personality sells. Tiger Woods will still shift more stuff for his sponsors than pretty much the rest of the pro-golf field combined. Michael Jordan still sells more merch than most other basketball players. Lionel, in the triathlon world, is pretty much the only person who stands a chance of transcending the sport and attracting people from outside of the sport. For Canyon this is a no brainer.

For Lionel this is a no brainer. There is the obvious psychological benefit on being on the bike that the past 4 Kona winners have been on. If he's 2.36764 watts slower than the Scott Plasma, who gives a sh*t. That equates to about 0.1 mph in completely sterile conditions. The reality is that in the real world, he is now not giving anything up. Nowadays no one gains anything on the bike (in terms of aero - all the bikes are as good as the same), but there is stuff to be lost. He is not losing anything. That's a win. He can now focus on his swim without worrying about losing out on the bike.

And I'm pretty confident that his fit is a work in progress and is still better than almost anything 99.9% of people on here have got. Of course, I do forget that the forum is inhabited by a bunch of people who "Could be the best but for...".

This news is exciting (well, as exciting as news can get in the rather dull and sterile triathlon world) and has generated a lot of buzz. It wouldn't surprise me if Canyon have already made their investment back.

Not close at all

in my opinion, the reason more pros don't come on here is that some of them are intimidated. they don't understand their own sport. they can't explain how they ended up on the bike they ride; they know nothing about the position they ride; they are afraid to say they made their product choices because of the size of the check. and they have no intention of shoring up that weakness.

in my opinion, the reason more pros don't come on here is that some of them are intimidated. they don't understand their own sport. they can't explain how they ended up on the bike they ride; they know nothing about the position they ride; they are afraid to say they made their product choices because of the size of the check. and they have no intention of shoring up that weakness.

the reason the few pros who do come on here are here is that they do have that confidence. they can explain what they do, and why they do it. because of that, they do their sponsors great good, they are 5x more marketable than other pros, and they (rightly) get the deals.

now, i'll grant you, we've had some real asshole "experts" on here. i think cody beals and some others could've been treated better by a few of the "experts." i got tired of it too. so, we have a dozen fewer than we did 3mo ago.

but, jordan rapp (as one example) got very marketable very fast about a decade ago because he was willing to explain the reasons he did what he did. you're going to see more pros on here in the future. why? i spoke to 2 bike brands this morning. they just don't want pros who can't come on communities like this and transparently interact with their consumers.

two groups of people are entirely naive to the situations they're in: the asshole forum experts that don't have posting privileges here any longer; and the pros who don't know why they aren't getting the deals they aren't getting. or, why they just got dropped.

Soooooo I may have a real dumb question.
Lionel appears to be using the zip Evo 110 extensions. I'm sure like tons of other people on this forum I run the same extension but I notice he has them installed so that they curve out at the ends.I was under the impression they were supposed to curve in i e he has them installed on the wrong side.OR
I HAVE BEEN RUNNING THEM BACKWARDS FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
Or it doesn't matter which way and its user preference.
Does anyone really have the answer to this.

3. Impressed with him destroying a very well known KOM in Palm Springs. OTOH, how do you not have your Garmin right? It’s not a big thing, but the guy keeps making rookie mistakes. At some point you’re no longer a rookie. We love you LS, but sheesh...

Soooooo I may have a real dumb question.
Lionel appears to be using the zip Evo 110 extensions. I'm sure like tons of other people on this forum I run the same extension but I notice he has them installed so that they curve out at the ends.I was under the impression they were supposed to curve in i e he has them installed on the wrong side.OR
I HAVE BEEN RUNNING THEM BACKWARDS FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
Or it doesn't matter which way and its user preference.
Does anyone really have the answer to this.