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Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week
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ITU World Champs in Gold Coast Ready To Go


For the third time in ITU's history, the sport has come to Gold Coast Australia. While there are many more high-rise apartments on the iconic Gold Coast Beach then when Miles Stewart and Joanne Ritchie won in 1991, the place is still spectacular. Everything you think you would see in Australia. Hundreds of surfers and youth-life-saving athletes on the beach every afternoon when school lets out.

Using the same basic footprint that was employed in April for the Commonwealth Games, the town has left up many of the signs and mascots from their very successful 2018 Commonwealth Games.

Sitting just 500m from the race venue is the Commonwealth Games Pool Centre. Five different pools. 2 x 50m pools, 2x25m outdoor pools and an indoor teaching pool.

A lot of interesting questions to be answered in the next few days. While Mario Mola's World Championship title is expected, the question is whether a small group can get away and stay away from Mario and the chase group. With A very motivated Ali Brownlee in the elite field, things could be interesting. Henri Schoeman is healthy & motivated to get away with a 4-6 man group that does not include Mola. You could see a Vincent Luis, Jonny & Ali Brownlee, Henri Schoeman (plus 1 or 2 others like Tyler Mislawchuk) motivated breakaway. With a chase group of Mola, Birtwhistle, Murray, Alarza & company chasing them on the bike, we could see another epic run for the title this weekend. The weather is going to be near perfect and big crowds are expected.

Anytime Ali Brownlee is in a race, he is a game changer. The sport's greatest swim-biker is healthy and the real question is how much fatigue he has in his legs from the 70.3 World Champs.


In the women's race, Katie Zafares could win the world championship without ever winning a race in 2018. She has been uber consistent and her incredible swimming allows her to be in the thick of the battle right from the start. With Flora Duffy not racing, the real question is whether 4-5 women are able to get away and stay away on the bike. Expect Jessica Learmonth, Katie Zaferes, Kristen Kasper, Summer Cook and 1-2 others trying to stay ahead of the British women (Stimpson, Holland, Taylor-Brown and Stanford). This race is pretty much a USA vs GB battle with a Gentle, Klamer and Linderman trying to steal a podium from those two countries.


The women's under 23 might be the stellar race of the weekend. If you haven't seen or heard of France's Cassandra Beaugrand remember her name. She is the next rock star of the elite women's circuit. She could be fighting it out for a top 8 in the elite women's race, but instead is going after a world championship title for France. She has no real weakness and right now is running incredibly fast. Her French team-mate and 2018 World Cup Winner Sandra Dodet could be fighting it out for the victory. 2x World Junior Champion Taylor Knibb has shown incredible fitness this year as she moves into the under 23 category. The bike course may not be tough enough for Taylor. Knibb's American team-mate and past World Champion Tamara Gorman will give the USA a great 1-2 punch against the French superstars. Last year's junior medalist Fuka Sega from Japan will challenge for the overall win.

The men's under 23 world champs has young Seth Rider as a legit threat. For Seth to have a chance he needs a 3-4 man break away out of the swim. Seth is a stud swim-biker and along with France's Leo Bergere and New Zealand's Tayler Reid there is a very real chance to see a small front end break away. Just two weeks ago Canada's Charles Paquet was in a break way with the Norwegian boys in the Montreal WTS Race.


Junior racing is always a crap shoot. So many talented, overly amped up young athletes, often lead to unexpected victories. None the less, the Europeans are now a consistent legitimate threat for a majority of the top 10 spots. With so many European Junior Races, and the French Grand Prix Series for the European youth, expect their race experience to show through.

The age group racing (Sprint & Olympic) will be very competitive. The Aussies have a huge team, and along with the nearby Kiwis, expect the majority of the age group medals to be split up between Australia, USA, Great Britain and New Zealand. Some former ITU pros are now back racing in the age group categories (Michelle Dillon is one of those who are now in the 45 category and looking very fit).

The world's best para-triathletes are in town and each year the depth and level of racing improves. We are expecting some fantastic racing from these great athletes.

ITU congress has occurred and the 2021 World Champs (Bermuda) and 2022 World Champs (Abu Dhabi) have been decided. With Lausanne in 2019 and Edmonton 2020 the best triathletes in the world know where they will be racing for the next four years.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Barrie,
Looking forward to watching the races on triathlonlive.tv. Would be even greater if the junior worlds were broadcasted too!
Cheers!
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Diabolo] [ In reply to ]
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The generally have a finishing line camera & live-data updates over the mats for the non-televised races.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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This is literally going to be a very exciting weekend!

Ali’s goals are likely to domestique for Johnny and to maybe get some Olympic points, right? Even if a group gets away (more likely with him there) I have a hard time seeing him outrun everyone.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]
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People who have never been in an Ali pack (and that is most of us) don't appreciate how hard he bikes. You saw that at 70.3 World where he and Jan were the two major instigators on the 90k bike (and then still ran well). Ali will find a few bodies to hammer on the bike and hope to get away and stay away. Few men in the world, can run as well, with fatigued legs as Ali can. His best hopes for a race podium for he (or his brother) is to have a small break away group put 75 sec into the Mola chase group and see if they can hang on. The way Mario ran in Montreal no lead maybe big enough. None the less, Ali didn't come to Australia direct from South Africa to sit in a bike pack. He will push the pace.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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coachbarrie wrote:
People who have never been in an Ali pack (and that is most of us) don't appreciate how hard he bikes. You saw that at 70.3 World where he and Jan were the two major instigators on the 90k bike (and then still ran well). Ali will find a few bodies to hammer on the bike and hope to get away and stay away. Few men in the world, can run as well, with fatigued legs as Ali can. His best hopes for a race podium for he (or his brother) is to have a small break away group put 75 sec into the Mola chase group and see if they can hang on. The way Mario ran in Montreal no lead maybe big enough. None the less, Ali didn't come to Australia direct from South Africa to sit in a bike pack. He will push the pace.

I'd say the Norwegian guys are a good pick for a breakaway too (Blummenfelt and Iden - though Iden is probably to far back out of the water) - whats Your take on this? How is the bike course profile?

Will be watching live:)
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [lovegoat] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Barrie

Do you know if there was any venue decision on the new World Sprint champs debuting in 2021? My understanding was that the hosts for that would be announced this week.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]
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Agree, this looks to be a really great race for both the men and women. Your comment on Ali possibly going for Olympic points is spot on, as I think he wants that as an option if his long course path is too difficult (i.e., injuries). Seems he could work to blow up the bike, and help Johnny get in that group, trying to ensure the runners are left behind. I just don't see Blummenfelt missing that, and he is running really good just now so he is the likely winner if a group gets away, with JB second perhaps.



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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [CPT Chaos] [ In reply to ]
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I only wonder if Blum will make the front swim group. Is Varga racing?

Heard an interview with NZ coach Tim Brazier (sp?) - he thought Ali driving the bike would potentially be very helpful for Vincent Luis. Makes sense to me.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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If Vickie Holland can correct her navigational issues from Montreal (I won't fault her for the late start, since that was a speaker malfunction on the pontoon, so she may not have heard the horn), I can't see her not winning the series... That said the ladies dynamic will be interesting without Spirig there, nor Flora...

For the men, Mola basically just needs to finish in the top 20 to win the series, so that's boring, but the men's race should be interesting, with Brownlees x2, vincent luis, blummenfelt & schoeman all there... My guess is that the race win comes from a bike break group, Mario runs up and lands just out of the top 5, somewhere in the 6th-8th place range.

In terms of the U23 races, for the ladies, it'll be a duel between Beaugrand and Knibb... My gut says Beaugrand, because the bike course is too easy for Knibb to really stick it to her (Nicole Vander Kaay is an outsider with a shot as well, she's had some brilliant races this season on the WC circuit, and a killer MTR leg...). For the men, it's likely Leo Bergere's to lose, but there are others (like the mentioned Paquet, Reid and Rider who can push him for it). It's hard to bet against the French though, they seem to have a stranglehold on the U23 men's title of late...

I believe the ITU is streaming the Jr. U23 races as well, they have in the past.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]
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Same question on Blummenfelt...I can't recall his swimming being at the front, more in the Mola groups just behind (15-25sec). If Luis is fit, he is a threat for sure, but I have not seen him bring it all together in a Olympic distance.



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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]
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Varga is def racing there, I saw some ridiculous IG videos of him hopping around with the kangaroos... He had some injury issues, but he's had some solid results at the conti-cup/WC level since coming back, so there's no reason to think he doesn't tow a breakaway on the swim, and then get dropped either late in the bike or gobbled on the run...
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [CPT Chaos] [ In reply to ]
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Luis put it together at Rotterdam last year - I’d say maybe he’s a big race guy. Then again, Rio was somewhat of a letdown given where he was off the bike. Still, he’s my pick if they come in ahead of Mola.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]
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I think we're getting an old fashioned Brownlee masterclass (at least till we get to T2) Jonny out runs big bro and so does either Luis, Blum or Mola for 2nd, Ali 3rd.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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The cream usually rises to the top in the biggest races of the year. The "unknowns" for this race in my mind are:

1. Ali is not at 100% Ali fitness due to some mid-summer injuries and training for the 70.3 Worlds. Now some fatigue racing and travelling from South Africa. Does that have any impact on him being able to control the race the way he often does?

2. The big swim-bike boys, will try to get away and work very hard to stay away from Richard-Mario-Jake-Blum and others. If they can push that gap to 45-60 seconds, it may very well be the difference of keeping Mario off the podium. 63 seconds on Montreal was not enough, but all the horses are here and motivated in that front group. If Mario comes off the bike in a lead pack, the only 2 athletes I see challenging him are Jake and Vincent Luis.

So the elite men are really down to how hard can Ali drive the train up front (assuming he makes the lead pack) and how small can that group be (4-5-6 the perfect number). Now forcing Mario-Richard, Blum and others to do a massive amount of catch up work.


All the women are here shy of Nicola (who is really just getting her Olympic points to get her into Tokyo 2020) and Flora. I expect an epic battle between GB and USA. In the last few years GB has added a few more younger superstars and USA has lost Gwen-Sara (so things are definitely much closer to equal and likely a slight edge to GB on the overall number of women in the top 10 from either federation).
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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I was under the impression that Spirig was not racing the WC?

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]
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She is not. I may have given the wrong impression. She is not here. Nor is Flora. Two women who can change a race's outcome.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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I think Holland is going to win this comfortably, didn't see anyone but Duffy winning this at the start of the season.

I'm no good at maths or understanding ITU complex ranking system, Learnmoth and Taylor Brown are both 3rd/4th in the overalls.

What's it going to take to get a British 1,2,3 overall?
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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Under 23s start in a few hours.

U23 Women - seems to be Beaugrand from France will be near the front out of the water and Taylor Knibb will bike up to the her / front pack and make a break, probably solo - question is how much time can she put into a small pack, and will Beaugrand reproduce her amazing run from Germany. Sandra Dodet is also a good runner if she can get up to the bike pack chasing Knibb. My money is on Knibb riding them off her wheel for the win.

U23 Men - more wide open - many of the top 10 guys could take the win on their best day - but Leo Bergere probably a slight favourite - I'll put my money on Bence Bisczak to edge out Bergere. Taylor Reid of NZ for 3rd.

Who ya got?

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Scotttriguy] [ In reply to ]
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In also taking Knibb. I think if Coldwell was in the race then maybe Beaugrand would have a bigger lead out of the water and the bike catch later and could then contain a manageable gap to Knibb. As it is I’m guessing under 20-30s and Knibb closes by end of lap 2.
For the boys I’m going with Reid for coiffured reasons only!
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Dumples] [ In reply to ]
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Live feed is being shown on triathlon.org, may be limited coverage on bike, but atleast their is some video.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Knibb 25 seconds up at end of lap 1.

Game over.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Scotttriguy] [ In reply to ]
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Knibb won't stay away with that type of split over Beaugrand when they get to 10k run. eta: she needs 1+ min, which it looks like she's getting it now.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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Great post, and good info...

On a side note as a Canadian you forgot Erik Millimaki also winning juniors in 1991đź€

Cheers,
Maurice
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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B_Doughtie wrote:
Knibb won't stay away with that type of split over Beaugrand when they get to 10k run. eta: she needs 1+ min, which it looks like she's getting it now.

Tibb is up 80 seconds at 20k:)

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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She's been averaging right around 7:00 per lap, and just keeps gaining ground. Really impressive.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [HeartRN] [ In reply to ]
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Every time I watch Beaugrand, I think she's wearing a race belt with the way her sponsor logos sit on her suit.

Knibb crushed that bike, holy smokes. Good for her!

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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It really does look that way, doesn't it?!

Knibb might end up being a contender for Tokyo the way she's been racing. Her bike power is insane, and if she comes out in the front pack of the swim, she's practically unstoppable...unless she gets run down by a runner like Beaugrand..who has a 2:30 deficit to make up
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [HeartRN] [ In reply to ]
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Snowy likes how Knibb looks and Beaugrand is already shaking out the arms. Things looking up for the American.
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HeartRN wrote:

Knibb might end up being a contender for Tokyo the way she's been racing. Her bike power is insane, and if she comes out in the front pack of the swim, she's practically unstoppable...unless she gets run down by a runner like Beaugrand..who has a 2:30 deficit to make up


She closed a gap, dragging a pack, up to Nicola Spirig at the Lausanne World Cup, then attacked and only Spirig and 2 others could hang with her. Knibb would clean up at 70.3 in a couple of years, for years and years.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Scotttriguy] [ In reply to ]
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Think she'd have what it takes to challenge Daniela Ryf?
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [HeartRN] [ In reply to ]
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Too much of an age gap for them to likely compete head to head but for maybe an odd race of 2. Knibb's only 20, it's not as if she's going to go for a 70 anytime soon.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Scotttriguy] [ In reply to ]
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i'm looking forward to seeing US's Seth Rider have a crack at this.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Scotttriguy] [ In reply to ]
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Good thing women’s professional cycling is so inequitable or else Knibb might leave us to become a single sported like ole GJ did. As it is the $23k in prize money she earned in 2017 (idk if she accepted this due to NCAA rules, but she earned it) would already put her in the top quartile of women’s world tour riders. So grow up UCI. But in the meantime great race from Knibb!!!
Also: It should be illegal to have legs as long as Beaugrand. She has an unfair advantage in the flying mount in T1. So for the person on the other thread who wants the mountain bike pedals: take a tip from the Gold Coast and just get some longer femurs.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Dumples] [ In reply to ]
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happy to see the front group pushing the pace enough to start dropping the guys in the back, or atleast major yo-yoing.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Nice to see the front group at all. From the helicopter shots I can see Rider skipping turns. Sure would have been neat to see anything other than transition from that other race...
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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Why cannot English speaking commentator put in some effort and learn the different names of the athletes. Especially if they are commentating on an international stream.

Great races today.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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Gutsy to go from a long way out by Reid, but he seems to like to race aggressively. Probably with his size and the wind that was a good way to hurt the others. So I guess we have to expect Taylor Spivey and Tyler Mislawchuk will win the senior races as that first name seems to be hot right now.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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Two Taylor's rocking the ITU under 23 World Champs today.

First off Ms Knibb put in a bike for the ages. Taylor had one way to win that World Title today (go solo on the bike) and she had the courage to do so. Very impressive maturity from such a young athlete. Cassandra Beaugrand is a special runner, but she and the chase pack were too indecisive early on the bike and thats all that Taylor needed to win her third consecutive World Title (Jr in Mexico in 2016, Jr in Rotterdam in 2017) and Gold in her first year of under 23. I wouldn't count her out of the discussion for the 2020 Olympic Games. A very special kid.

The second Tayler was Reid. American Alex Willimovsky was the class swimmer in the field and you could see he was there to ensure that Seth Ryder had some company. The big dozen rode away from the gang and Kiwi Tayler Reid got his first World Title. Small as it maybe (under 4 million people in the entire country) New Zealand had the men's under 23 World Champ and a 4th place finish in the women's race (Nicole Van Der Kaay). Day one of elite racing goes to New Zealand.

The event was well run, big crowds, terrific venue and multiple Aussie Olympians wondering around the venue. I stopped by the pool between the women & men's races and who do I see on the pool deck coaching. None other then Aussie Olympian and legendary triathlete Craig Walton. Craig is back on deck with a new squad of athletes. American athletes will remember him as one of the half dozen best non-drafting triathletes for nearly a decade (along with his pal Greg Bennett).

Tomorrow are the juniors and elite women. More sun and great racing is expected.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [coachbarrie] [ In reply to ]
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I was very impressed with Knibb's run off that bike solo. Beaugrand only ran a minute into her and had the 4th fastest run. Seems to be improving significantly.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [USCoregonian] [ In reply to ]
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Putting in almost 3 mins into an chase group at the world championships.....that's amazing. I figured she would need more than 1+ min but to keep gashing the chase group. That was impressive as hell, and like you said to run that well.....chapeau.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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I'm just happy to see any kind of video feed from any of the non-elite championship level races. To see that kind of bike action for the U-23 feed which is essentially "free"....they can call it anyway they want, I'm not that picky about it.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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how were we watching the feed?

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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triathlon.org

They have a leaderboard and along with the leaderboard, a video feed. Sprint AG'ers essentially had still cameras along the run and the finish line. U-23 races had video from from the bike for the men's race atleast. Women's u-23 race you basically only saw them in the circle around the transition/finishing area. But men's race atleast had video feed from moto cams as well.

(that's not the same as the regular wts itu media feed page)

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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Halvard wrote:
Why cannot English speaking commentator put in some effort and learn the different names of the athletes. Especially if they are commentating on an international stream.

Agree.

Luis, Beaugrand, etc have been repeatedly mutilated.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [USCoregonian] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, that run was very impressive. She still has a few years of college running, right?

Got me wondering - would you prefer to have her swim/ bike or Beaugrand's swim/ run? I'd still have to say the swim/ run, as the odds are generally better for a pack bike. Still, her run keeps improving and she looks like a real weapon across all disciplines. How many have had 2 junior titles and a U-23?

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]
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Junior women all together after 1 lap of bike.

Elite women race at I believe 3am eastern time...yeah i may have to tape delay that one!!!

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Nvm, looks like solo breaking is causing some breakups in the packs. US women not so good spots, about 25s+ back from the first few groups.

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MI_Mumps wrote:
Yeah, that run was very impressive. She still has a few years of college running, right?

Got me wondering - would you prefer to have her swim/ bike or Beaugrand's swim/ run? I'd still have to say the swim/ run, as the odds are generally better for a pack bike. Still, her run keeps improving and she looks like a real weapon across all disciplines. How many have had 2 junior titles and a U-23?


Taylor Brown has gone quietly under the radar this year, only 24 had a lot of injuries over the last couple of years which has prob prevented her going over the radar.

Everyone is talking about Beagrand and Knibb but for GTS to be 3rd in the overall rankings going into the GF shouldn't be going unrecognised.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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Georgia Taylor Brown?

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Lost the stream (on every device), so had to rely on Twitter for updates. Looks like Paige Horner was the top finisher for the US in 17th.
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Georgia Taylor Brown?

Yes, edited been drinking all night!
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Audrey Ernst 24th, Gillian Cridge 29th. Des Ridenour ended up in 8th. 1st through 20th finished in a span of about 2 minutes.
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Yeah, GTB’s been very impressive! Breakthrough year for sure to casual observers like me.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [HeartRN] [ In reply to ]
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A bit of chop on the water and some wind may help the women's race have some front pack fireworks. My feed from the juniors races was very hit or miss, but the wind looked to be howling straight into their faces on the pontoon.

I'm staying up til atleast T1, first few laps of bike and if i fall asleep, I fall asleep. Sitting here in middle of outside bands of hurricane has me stir crazy.

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Holland and Zafferes both out the swim in the front pack, it's going to come down to the run.
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Fun to see Norwegian Lotte Miller in the front group.
She is a better cyclist than runner, but maybe today is the day she founds her running feet and will improve her best ever place 10th.
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Holland and Zafferes both out the swim in the front pack, it's going to come down to the run.

Glad to see that I am not the only one burning the midnight oil on this one...

If it does come down to the run Zafferes is in trouble.
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Will come down to the run, very dull the womens bike with no Spirig or Duffy to be brutal!

I think Holland has shown pretty much she has the strongest run the last couple of races (The young French girl aside) be surprised if she doesn't win.
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Will come down to the run, very dull the womens bike with no Spirig or Duffy to be brutal!

I think Holland has shown pretty much she has the strongest run the last couple of races (The young French girl aside) be surprised if she doesn't win.

We will see what happens. Zafferes was the fastest woman in the mixed relay on the run...but that was over a short distance.

Fingers crossed that Katie Z doesn't blow up.
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Wow, wasn't expecting this from Zaferes, she usually starts slow and moves up, I just wonder if she can keep this pace.
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Zaferes is fading, she went out to quick.
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Looks over for KZ
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [LifeTri] [ In reply to ]
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Holland showed heart there to come back after dropping back, well deserved World champ if she wins this!
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What a race!
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excellent race
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]
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Laura Lindemann of Germany did the same thing as Knibb.

She was 3rd @ Jr's in 13, Won Jr's in 14, 15. Won U-23 in 16. And was just 4th at the Grand Final today. I'd say they have similar trajectory. You can tell they both are very intelligent racers along with being strong.
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From social media posts looks like the Brownlees are both using aero bars for the race.
If that's the case it'll be the first time and gives away what their tactics are tomorrow. That and the fact Varga is racing.
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If that's the case it'll be the first time and gives away what their tactics are tomorrow. //

You mean the same exact tactics they use in every race? Have they ever sat in from T1 and just waited for the field to have a mass running race? All this signals is that they are now hip to the small % of being aero while pulling will make, and in a relatively benign bike course, that % could be important. Probably all the TT training Ali has been doing, he actually knows first hand how much faster it is, even while drafting...

Tactics will be as usual, hopefully they don't hurt the top swimmers too much so that they can contribute, but I'm sure they are ready to two man TT is necessary...
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Gutted I have no way of getting any money into my Skybet, ridiculous odds on Jonny at 6/1 who I make the favourite.

Luis at 11/1 is well worth a few quid also, bookies have this one wrong I reckon.


Mario Mola (ESP)
13/8
Alistair Brownlee (GBR)
4/1
Jonathan Brownlee (GBR)
6/1
Kristian Blummenfelt (NOR)
13/2
Jacob Birtwhistle (AUS)
7/1
Richard Murray (RSA)
8/1
Vincent Luis (FRA)
11/1
Casper Stornes (NOR)
16/1
Fernando Alarza (ESP)
16/1
Henri Schoeman (RSA)
16/1
Pierre La Corre (FRA)
22/1
Gustav Iden (NOR)
28/1
Andreas Schilling (DEN)
40/1
Marten Van Riel (BEL)
50/1
Tyler Mislawchuk (CAN)
50/1
Aaron Royle (NZL)
66/1
Joao Silva (POR)
66/1
Luke Willian (AUS)
66/1
Ryan Bailie (AUS)
66/1
Thomas Bishop (GBR)
66/1
Dorian Coninx (FRA)
80/1
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [monty] [ In reply to ]
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I'd wager that if they are 2 man TT'ing they'll bring more along with them. Which isn't a bad thing, but I'm not sure JB is on the level that AB wants/needs and thus if JB is able to "draft" I think more in the front group will too. Of course getting a 4-5 man break that actually wants to pull through will only help both of them, in addition to all in that said select group.

Watching the races so far, the course is tactical enough that I think something can happen, especially if the wind kicks up and stays windy, that could provide just enough strong resistance that it helps with flyers. 1am start for me means I'll probaly make most of the bike and then fall asleep right as T2 run starts. Just too late for me.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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She tried - I wonder how close Holland came to cracking? Crazy how she clawed back. She deserved the title.

Poor â€ol Chelsea Burns finishes top 15 and is like 6th on the totem pole. What a deep team.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets, lifetri] [ In reply to ]
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 OK, for the benefit of those of us who did not watch the race, can you give us the Cliff Note version??? I went to the ITU web site and i see that Ashleigh Gentle ended up winning, and she was not even in your prior commentary. My computer's video does not work all the time so i sometimes have a hard time watching these videos.


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OK, for the benefit of those of us who did not watch the race, can you give us the Cliff Note version??? I went to the ITU web site and i see that Ashleigh Gentle ended up winning, and she was not even in your prior commentary. My computer's video does not work all the time so i sometimes have a hard time watching these videos.

Holland was first out of T2 with a very bad transition for Katie. Very quickly Katie caught Vicky and Ashley tagged along. Katie and Zaf were doing most of the work for the first lap (2.5K), and at one point Katie surged and dropped Vicky, the gap was about 5s. Ashley stayed with Katie.

Vicky clawed her way back up, and right after that either; Katie faded, Vicky surged, or both, but Ashley and Vicky dropped Katie bad.

It came down to a sprint finish on the blue carpet, between Ashley and Vicky. You now know the result of that sprint.
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ericmulk wrote:
OK, for the benefit of those of us who did not watch the race, can you give us the Cliff Notes version??? I went to the ITU web site and i see that Ashleigh Gentle ended up winning, and she was not even in your prior commentary. My computer's video does not work all the time so i sometimes have a hard time watching these videos.


Holland was first out of T2 with a very bad transition for Katie. Very quickly Katie caught Vicky and Ashley tagged along. Katie and Zaf were doing most of the work for the first lap (2.5K), and at one point Katie surged and dropped Vicky, the gap was about 5s. Ashley stayed with Katie.

Vicky clawed her way back up, and right after that either; Katie faded, Vicky surged, or both, but Ashley and Vicky dropped Katie bad.

It came down to a sprint finish on the blue carpet, between Ashley and Vicky. You now know the result of that sprint.

OK, thanks very much Tulkas, your summary was just what i was looking for. Thanks!!!


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welp AB had a no so good 1st lap on the swim. Coming out 22s back in 32nd place. Choppy and a lot of high winds.

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Mola, AB and Eli Hemming all together 40s back out of swim....ouch. Front group is usual suspects minus AB. JB is in 1st group.

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welp AB had a no so good 1st lap on the swim. Coming out 22s back in 32nd place. Choppy and a lot of high winds.

When you say "coming out", do you mean they're running up onto the beach after 1st lap, then back into the water??? Was Vargas leading the field at end of 1st lap???


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yes 2 lap swim, exit water onto pontoon and dive back for 2nd lap.

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welp AB had a no so good 1st lap on the swim. Coming out 22s back in 32nd place. Choppy and a lot of high winds.

I think he got smashed at one of the buoys
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AB way down after the swim, low seeding didn’t help startingway to the other side of the top 20 but he lost more time on lap 2 as well.
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him and about 20 others....that was nasty.

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That first turn was carnage. 90 deg turn after only 250m, groups merging, AB on the inside due to his start grid position.
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I tuned in just after this, but the commentators seemed to suggest that AB (if not others) then went around the wrong side of the buoy, is that right? No penalties issued as yet.

It's turned into a bit of a snore fest on the bike, there was a good group of JB, Luis, Le Corre, Schoeman and van Riel with a 30s lead on the bike until Luis binned it on a hairpin turn and held them all up. The chase group of 20 is going to reel in the last survivor any second.
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He's getting 15s penalty. I'm shocked he's not DQ'd. ETA: if he "missed" a swim boy.

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yes 2 lap swim, exit water onto pontoon and dive back for 2nd lap.

Interesting, have never seen a race where they did that but rather usually just run and dive back into water. Thanks for the details!!!


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WTS level is almost always 2 lap swim with 2 pontoon dives per swim leg. Some still are 1 leg swims, but i think itu wants to make it 2 lap swim if they can. They started doing that a few years back, I think to make it more spectator friendly with the "dives" and smaller area to swim.

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4 or 5 seemed to go completely inside the buoy, another few kind of ducked under it (it was tipped to one side anyway due to the wind), commentators said no pens at the end of the swim but implied they were still reviewing.
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Yeah, they just announced on BBC, 15s penalty for AB and Russell White
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WTS level is almost always 2 lap swim with 2 pontoon dives per swim leg. Some still are 1 leg swims, but i think itu wants to make it 2 lap swim if they can. They started doing that a few years back, I think to make it more spectator friendly with the "dives" and smaller area to swim.

I can see that, 2 dives and better viewing for the spectators. Cool deal. :)


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I'm sure if AB finishes in the money, some federation is going to protest that penalty so their athlete gets the better purse. If I'm reading the rules correctly, not doing the prescribed course will result in an DQ. And yes several at a few WTS events have beend DQ'd for that. I dont think that "intent" matters or how much they cut, it matters of doing the prescribed course.

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He's getting 15s penalty. I'm shocked he's not DQ'd. ETA: if he "missed" a swim boy.

I think you saw it on coverage. He had nowhere to go with about 10 guys on his inside and more coming up behind.
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So now he's being DQ, which is the right call.

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Brownlee got a dq.

Cut the buoy. Well that’s what Greg Welch just told us over the pa system

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Commentators now saying â€DQ but can keep racing and appeal’
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Athletes can appeal any DQ offense by finishing except lap out rule. Unfortunately for team GB this will be a wasted transaction if AB insists they appeal it.

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JB looks to be out of it and if he misses the top 3, it'll be the 1st time he misses an podium in an wts year in 7 years.

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3 US guy's entered race:

-DNF T2 Eli Hemming
-Lapped Matt Mcelroy
- ~50th ish- Morgan Pearson

Tough day and year for the stars and stripes.

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Jb Is in first chase pack isn’t he? Wearing those Scott sunglasses..,
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yes, neon green shades

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now ITU is showing Eli 16th....good finish for him!

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I think we need to start seriously discussing Vincent Luis as a potential winner in Tokyo if he remains fit, healthy and focused.

2 comprehensive grand final wins in the last 2 seasons is impressive. The guy is always lead pack on the swim, can drive the bike (see Hamburg) and can whack a sub 30 at the end of all that. His move to Joel Filliol's group I think could be key moving forward.

I think AB needs to make a decision this winter on the way forward. The one foot in, one foot out isn't sustainable given he has very few Olympic qualifying points. I think if Tokyo is the goal he needs to go all in on ITU next year. By all means do the odd 70.3 but the priority would need to be ITU.
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Where did Ali come in the end? Just showing as DQ on the results.

Brilliant from Luis, always turns it on for the GF it seems but I think Mola always fades a bit towards the end of a season.

Jonny's form is going backwards, poor Blum must be looking forward to Superleague can't get a win at ITU.

Edit Just wish I'd got that bet on somehow on Luis 11/1 the bookies had it, they got that wrong!
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I agree I think he has to decide, but I also think he can't. I don't think he will be able to train for it properly for those speeds these guys are going now. And not that they are any faster then when he was cracking it with Gomez, but I just don't think his body will allow it. In the run up to double gold medals, I think he simply went all in and is now paying for that. It also wouldn't shock me if he was a lot bored with itu and over the whole "racing over 4 continents" thing that he's always been very vocal about too much traveling being involved in itu these days.

But I think the one thing ITU gives him that LC doesnt- good competition every race line up.

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I first thought Luis might be a winner when he lead out of the swim with Varga - then he really looked like the winner about 1k into the run when he was at the back of the front pack and looked super relaxed as he put on his head band and adjusted his sun glasses - but I didn't think he'd win so easily.

Blummenfelt just won't quit. He'd do very well at 70.3.

Ditto Van Riel after pushing the whole bike - then losing his lead in last 1k of the bike due to mechanical - and then out sprinting a pack for 9th in the finish chute.


On another note, I find the production values lacking - specifically when they choose to cut from one camera to another, could be a lot better. There were a number of times when something crucial / dramatic was maybe about to happen when they'd cut to another camera shot of something innocuous.

It's like the producer/director doesn't always understand or recognize compelling viewing. The most obvious example was when the a pack of 4 guys fighting for 9th (Van Riel, Mislwachuk, Alarza, Grajales) are sprinting all out for the finish and they cut to shot of the guys who've already finished standing around.

They do this almost every race - there will be a 2 or 3 person sprint for 8th (or whatever) and they will cut to shot of Mola (or who ever has already finished) slapping hands with spectators, or drinking water, or some other useless shot.

It would also me more helpful if they left the graphic that shows the name and time behind the leader at the end of each lap on screen for longer. A lot of the time, they drop the graphic before the top 10 go through the check point. Annoying.

While I'm bitching and whining - Do they hire new motorbike drivers in each city they race and that's why they do so poorly at not providing draft on the bike?

I cannot see how the lead moto was not giving drafts at times to the lead cyclists. There was another shot during the run of Mola throwing his hands in the air with a "WTF?" message because the moto bike driver cut him off when they did a 360 turn.

I recognize they are moving away from using cameras on motorbikes, but they could do a much better job when they do and stop undermining the integrity - not of triathlon as much as the event and broadcast producers.

Done my whine.

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I agree I think he has to decide, but I also think he can't. I don't think he will be able to train for it properly for those speeds these guys are going now. And not that they are any faster then when he was cracking it with Gomez, but I just don't think his body will allow it. In the run up to double gold medals, I think he simply went all in and is now paying for that. It also wouldn't shock me if he was a lot bored with itu and over the whole "racing over 4 continents" thing that he's always been very vocal about too much traveling being involved in itu these days.

But I think the one thing ITU gives him that LC doesnt- good competition every race line up.

He had an awful race, awful swim (surely he knew he'd swam the wrong side of the buoy and wasn't getting away with that)

Didn't really do much on the bike, think attempted to break once which was well covered then went backwards on the run and disappeared.

I don't think anyone was expecting the Ali of old but Gomez could prety much float up and down from 70.3 to ITU without effecting his form.

Ali is still not fully fit at any distance (neither is Jonny really) I wonder if it's time for them to try something dramatically new.
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Jackets wrote:
B_Doughtie wrote:
I agree I think he has to decide, but I also think he can't. I don't think he will be able to train for it properly for those speeds these guys are going now. And not that they are any faster then when he was cracking it with Gomez, but I just don't think his body will allow it. In the run up to double gold medals, I think he simply went all in and is now paying for that. It also wouldn't shock me if he was a lot bored with itu and over the whole "racing over 4 continents" thing that he's always been very vocal about too much traveling being involved in itu these days.

But I think the one thing ITU gives him that LC doesnt- good competition every race line up.


He had an awful race, awful swim (surely he knew he'd swam the wrong side of the buoy and wasn't getting away with that)

Didn't really do much on the bike, think attempted to break once which was well covered then went backwards on the run and disappeared.

I don't think anyone was expecting the Ali of old but Gomez could prety much float up and down from 70.3 to ITU without effecting his form.

Ali is still not fully fit at any distance (neither is Jonny really) I wonder if it's time for them to try something dramatically new.

You mean possibly leave Leeds?
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Adman wrote:
Jackets wrote:
B_Doughtie wrote:
I agree I think he has to decide, but I also think he can't. I don't think he will be able to train for it properly for those speeds these guys are going now. And not that they are any faster then when he was cracking it with Gomez, but I just don't think his body will allow it. In the run up to double gold medals, I think he simply went all in and is now paying for that. It also wouldn't shock me if he was a lot bored with itu and over the whole "racing over 4 continents" thing that he's always been very vocal about too much traveling being involved in itu these days.

But I think the one thing ITU gives him that LC doesnt- good competition every race line up.


He had an awful race, awful swim (surely he knew he'd swam the wrong side of the buoy and wasn't getting away with that)

Didn't really do much on the bike, think attempted to break once which was well covered then went backwards on the run and disappeared.

I don't think anyone was expecting the Ali of old but Gomez could prety much float up and down from 70.3 to ITU without effecting his form.

Ali is still not fully fit at any distance (neither is Jonny really) I wonder if it's time for them to try something dramatically new.

You mean possibly leave Leeds?

Maybe, its Jonny's form most concerning, we know Ali isn't fully fit but Jonny didn't even make the Top 10 overall in the series rankings this year.

Apart from the odd niggle appears to have had prety much an injury free year, you just see what Joel Filliol has done with Luis and wonder what he'd do with someone like Jonny?
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I agree on Luis. He was my pick before the race, but I though Ali would help keep a group away and Luis would be the best runner. Did not expect to see him drop Mola like that! He has that front pack swim and all around strength...hard to argue with him as a favorite.

Aaron Bales
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]
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From Ali Brownlee's Twitter...

'Really disappointed with today. I thought I had a decent race in me. First ever DQ in any sporting event. Was on the wrong side of the buoy and I’ve seen it on video. But was disorientated after being hit and held under the water in the roughest swim I’ve ever done.'

Still expect someone of his calibre not to go off course, maybe lack of race time showing.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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As the kids would say, that first buoy was rough AF. Crazy to watch.

Snowsill had some wild stories during the women’s race about being straigh up punched in the face during races. I think Shoemaker got a concussion during a swim a few years back.

Aaron Bales
Lansing Triathlon Team
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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Edit Just wish I'd got that bet on somehow on Luis 11/1 the bookies had it, they got that wrong!


Ya, you might of broke even with all that money you would have lost on Johnny!!!
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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Jackets wrote:
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I agree I think he has to decide, but I also think he can't. I don't think he will be able to train for it properly for those speeds these guys are going now. And not that they are any faster then when he was cracking it with Gomez, but I just don't think his body will allow it. In the run up to double gold medals, I think he simply went all in and is now paying for that. It also wouldn't shock me if he was a lot bored with itu and over the whole "racing over 4 continents" thing that he's always been

He had an awful race, awful swim (surely he knew he'd swam the wrong side of the buoy and wasn't getting away with that)

Didn't really do much on the bike, think attempted to break once which was well covered then went backwards on the run and disappeared.

Appeared he was aware but thought f... it, expected to get away with it, in the past Ali has made his own rules and ITU hadn't the guts to call him out. This time they did. Got a bit of his own medicine in the water this time around, I have seen him pretty purposefully pushing other athletes heads under.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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I thought that AB looked on the back foot the entire race. Didn't even look that strong on the bike. JB has been not quite there all year. Both of them 2 years ago were the best 2 ITU athletes in the world. Now they are lucky to make the top 10. Lets see what happens over the winter and next year.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [newManUK] [ In reply to ]
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2 years ago they where the best ITU athletes? How come they where not winning? Mola has won more races in each of the past three years that JB has won in the past three combined. He peaked at 2012 with a world title and has been steadily declining ever since. 2012 was a long time ago. Since then, at the very minimum, both Javie Gomez and Mario Mola have been vastly superior but also others. If you meant 6 years ago, then I might agree if you drop Javier Gomez in the mix.

AB has been declining as well, but at least he can every now and then show signs of his past self at moments that count, including an olympic win.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [ecce-homo] [ In reply to ]
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2 years ago they where the best ITU athletes? How come they where not winning? Mola has won more races in each of the past three years that JB has won in the past three combined. He peaked at 2012 with a world title and has been steadily declining ever since. 2012 was a long time ago. Since then, at the very minimum, both Javie Gomez and Mario Mola have been vastly superior but also others. If you meant 6 years ago, then I might agree if you drop Javier Gomez in the mix.

AB has been declining as well, but at least he can every now and then show signs of his past self at moments that count, including an olympic win.

I don't really understand why you are arguing? Do you remember that 2 years ago there was a very important race that all the ITU athletes peaked for and wanted to win? I will repeat that because every ITU athlete peaked for this race and everyone spent years focusing on trying to win it. They were a clear 1st and 2nd in this race.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [ecce-homo] [ In reply to ]
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ecce-homo wrote:
2 years ago they where the best ITU athletes? How come they where not winning? Mola has won more races in each of the past three years that JB has won in the past three combined. He peaked at 2012 with a world title and has been steadily declining ever since. 2012 was a long time ago. Since then, at the very minimum, both Javie Gomez and Mario Mola have been vastly superior but also others. If you meant 6 years ago, then I might agree if you drop Javier Gomez in the mix.

AB has been declining as well, but at least he can every now and then show signs of his past self at moments that count, including an olympic win.

Obviously you missed the Rio Olympics!
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [newManUK] [ In reply to ]
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I do remember, I also remember that AB focused on that particular event whilst JB did not. Others did as well, such as Vincent Louis and JG, the latter being out from injury. But JB travelled the world to try become WTS champion and he did not achieve it. He did not focus his season exclusively in the olympics. JB has not been one of the top 2 ITU athletes in the past years by any stretch of the imagination.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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I did not, but I didn't miss other races either.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [ecce-homo] [ In reply to ]
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ecce-homo wrote:
I do remember, I also remember that AB focused on that particular event whilst JB did not. Others did as well, such as Vincent Louis and JG, the latter being out from injury. But JB travelled the world to try become WTS champion and he did not achieve it. He did not focus his season exclusively in the olympics. JB has not been one of the top 2 ITU athletes in the past years by any stretch of the imagination.

With all due respect you are on a different planet.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [ecce-homo] [ In reply to ]
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ecce-homo wrote:
I do remember, I also remember that AB focused on that particular event whilst JB did not. Others did as well, such as Vincent Louis and JG, the latter being out from injury. But JB travelled the world to try become WTS champion and he did not achieve it. He did not focus his season exclusively in the olympics. JB has not been one of the top 2 ITU athletes in the past years by any stretch of the imagination.

You can't be serious?
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [newManUK] [ In reply to ]
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My planet definitely not UK.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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Obviosly not, JB is much better than JG or MM as the results of the last years clearly show.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [ecce-homo] [ In reply to ]
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Jonny beat Mola by over a minute at Rio that's not bad for someone who wasn't really focused on the Olympics (The silver medal he got was a nice added bonus as well)

Mola was also well under way to being spanked by Jonny in the GF that year also before things went dramatically wrong at the end (he hasn't recovered his form since)

Mola has undoubtedly been the best Oly distance triathlete of the the last two years but before that you wasn't even expecting him to podium if both Brownlee's and Gomez showed up to race fully fit.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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"Jonny beat Mola by over a minute at Rio that's not bad for someone who wasn't really focused on the Olympics (The silver medal he got was a nice added bonus as well)"

JB raced the olympics much better than others, including MM, in a race that suited him perfectly. Hats off to him in regards to that feat. But that doesn't make him a top 2 necesarily. Would you rank Henry Schoemann as the world #3 at the time? In my book JB was #4 at the time, behind JG and MM.

"Mola was also well under way to being spanked by Jonny in the GF that year also before things went dramatically wrong at the end (he hasn't recovered his form since) "

No he wasn't. It looked that way, but the reality is that a senior triathlete was not able to pace himself correctly and suffered the brutal laws of nature. Had he not had a brother racing alongside him he would have DNFd. It wasn't like it was a random accident, he raced dumb and payed for it.

"Mola has undoubtedly been the best Oly distance triathlete of the the last two years but before that you wasn't even expecting him to podium if both Brownlee's and Gomez showed up to race fully fit. "

That was many moons ago. Both the performance of JB, AB and JG has declined and MM's has raised. I wasn't debating and all time greatest ranking, but the comment about 2 years ago. Anyhow, MM has beaten JB, AB and JG many times at their peak, specially at sprint distance, were he is arguably one of the best of the last decade if not the best. Here you have a good example with the three of them, two playing home turf, enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBgzMgob5Gw
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]
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My big pet peeve on the TriLive feed is that thew official ITU commentators don't know the official rules... Emma Frodeno's comment about the 15seconds being added on if they don't serve a penalty is absolutely wrong, and I can't think of when that was ever the case except with USAT rules... If you fail to serve a penalty, it's a DQ, but for the last decade, the athlete has the right to continue the race (except as mentioned when they are lapped out or pulled for a first runner/last biker scenario, since that's an elimination rather than a DQ) and then appeal at the finish. It takes away from the coverage when they talk out of their arse about rules, since many people watching don't actually know better, and then are shocked with the results (usually for WTS events, there's an official in the TV coverage booth, typically they are there to observe, but I'm sure if the commentators weren't sure and asked, they could get a clarification). It looked like AB just paced Richard Varga for the run knowing that he was DQ'd. Also not sure why they ever announced it was a 15sec penalty. They may have heard the radio call for the infraction, without realizing that it was an auto DQ, and not waited for the second call from the Head Ref to the penalty box to post that it was a DQ.

That being said I am surprised only the two got DQ'd, I saw some solid photos from that first buoy carnage that showed clearly 4 guys on the inside of the buoy (and you could ID most of their numbers from their swimcaps in the photo, they might have all gotten lapped out anyways, but still). To be fair to AB, he tried to make it, he went under the buoy, but went around the inside of the anchor line rather than the outside... I'm not surprised that people got disorientated in that washing machine though, guys were getting nailed, getting stood up, etc. I've not seen that type of carnage in a race since the new contact rules came in last year, with the exception of the ladies race in Superleague Jersey). He clearly payed for having no WTS ranking coming in and getting stuck on that inside end of the pontoon with the riff raff... I don't think either Brownlee was in tip top shape, and while their results read as being a bit washed-up, I assume that if Ali commits to Tokyo, and the two start training together regularly again for ITU, they will be podium threats at any given race.

I also agree with the comments about Vincent Luis, he's a solid medal threat for Tokyo if he can stay healthy. He's always been in the ballpark, and he's shown that he can be a big race performer... I was very impressed by his swim, he led it for 70% of the race, with Varga only leading for small bits and leading out of the water by a body length... Add to the fact that he briefly went down (and tangled up JB as well) on the bike makes it even more impressive.

In terms of Van Riel, I'm not sure if anyone saw his IG post after the race, his dropped chain there with 3km to go was apparently from the elastic band from his shoes in T1 getting bunged up in his rear derailleur causing the chain drop, which is why it took him a solid 30sec to get the chain back on so that he could ride... The development of someone like Van Riel could be critical for guys like Luis and Blummenfelt having a podium shot at Tokyo, those guys, a healthy Schoeman and healthy and fit Brownlees could put a lot of pressure on the Murrays, Molas and Birtwhistles closing a break off the swim (that said, if Mola's swim keeps coming along the way it was at the GF, he might still be able to get on terms)...
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [ecce-homo] [ In reply to ]
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ecce-homo wrote:
"Jonny beat Mola by over a minute at Rio that's not bad for someone who wasn't really focused on the Olympics (The silver medal he got was a nice added bonus as well)"

JB raced the olympics much better than others, including MM, in a race that suited him perfectly. Hats off to him in regards to that feat. But that doesn't make him a top 2 necesarily. Would you rank Henry Schoemann as the world #3 at the time? In my book JB was #4 at the time, behind JG and MM.

"Mola was also well under way to being spanked by Jonny in the GF that year also before things went dramatically wrong at the end (he hasn't recovered his form since) "

No he wasn't. It looked that way, but the reality is that a senior triathlete was not able to pace himself correctly and suffered the brutal laws of nature. Had he not had a brother racing alongside him he would have DNFd. It wasn't like it was a random accident, he raced dumb and payed for it.

"Mola has undoubtedly been the best Oly distance triathlete of the the last two years but before that you wasn't even expecting him to podium if both Brownlee's and Gomez showed up to race fully fit. "

That was many moons ago. Both the performance of JB, AB and JG has declined and MM's has raised. I wasn't debating and all time greatest ranking, but the comment about 2 years ago. Anyhow, MM has beaten JB, AB and JG many times at their peak, specially at sprint distance, were he is arguably one of the best of the last decade if not the best. Here you have a good example with the three of them, two playing home turf, enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBgzMgob5Gw

This is silly, you argued the point that the Brownlee's were not the best 2 years ago even though no one was even close to them at the race that matters (1 minute plus Jonny had over Mola is prety conclusive evidence! Before you even get on to Ali)

No one was arguing that Mola hasn't been the best since.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Trauma] [ In reply to ]
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 I've not seen that type of carnage in a race since the new contact rules came in last year, with the exception of the ladies race in Superleague Jersey).

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Brings back memories of ITU Tizzy, where it's a 3 lap swim within 750m so that means the 1st turn boy is within likely 65s of the start..IE- no seperation and just mass carnage every year.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World WhaChamps Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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So applying the same smart reasoning Henri Schoeman was the third best thriathlete two years ago. Right? Javier Gomez was probably the worst, as he didn't even get to the start line.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World WhaChamps Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [ecce-homo] [ In reply to ]
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ecce-homo wrote:
So applying the same smart reasoning Henri Schoeman was the third best thriathlete two years ago. Right? Javier Gomez was probably the worst, as he didn't even get to the start line.

Schoeman finished that year strong, 3rd in the Olympics and winner of the Grand Final (You can argue all you want about the circumstances of him winning that GF of course) you'll get no arguments from me if you want to call him the 3rd best Triathlete of that year though! (He beat Mola twice when it count that year!)
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Tiszy has been a bit more civilized (or rather less uncivilized) the last year or two, but you're right, that was very much like old school tiszy (this year there was carnage like that on the men's bike in tiszy, before they cancelled it with barriers flying at the riders in the epic storm... I remember sitting at the dinner table during the multisport worlds in Denmark, and one of the ITU folks showing us the videos of what was going on the same day over there...)... at least now with the semis and finals formats in Tiszy, the packs are smaller, so it's a bit less of a gongshow...
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World WhaChamps Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Jackets] [ In reply to ]
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Fortunately we have ITU rankings to eliminate speculations.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Trauma] [ In reply to ]
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Trauma wrote:
It looked like AB just paced Richard Varga for the run knowing that he was DQ'd....

He definitely dropped back, but he also looked totally cooked after the first lap of the run, so he's still got a good bit to go on his run form at the moment.

Trauma wrote:
In terms of Van Riel, I'm not sure if anyone saw his IG post after the race, his dropped chain there with 3km to go was apparently from the elastic band from his shoes in T1 getting bunged up in his rear derailleur causing the chain drop, which is why it took him a solid 30sec to get the chain back on so that he could ride... The development of someone like Van Riel could be critical for guys like Luis and Blummenfelt having a podium shot at Tokyo, those guys, a healthy Schoeman and healthy and fit Brownlees could put a lot of pressure on the Murrays, Molas and Birtwhistles closing a break off the swim (that said, if Mola's swim keeps coming along the way it was at the GF, he might still be able to get on terms)...

The thing that has really stuck out for me is that while having those bodies in the lead pack will undoubtedly help, I don't think he should fear anyone on the run. That's two grand finals where he has smoked everyone on the last lap and looked to have a lot more in the tank. I could see the Tokyo course playing similar to the GC at the weekend.

I read some interviews in a French running magazine where he said he had been concentrating too much on running (Training with Mekhissi Benabbad et al), and the move to Joel Filliol has really balanced things out. Add the fact he's healthy and doesn't have any personal problems to contend with, I think he is a very dangerous individual for the next few years.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Adman] [ In reply to ]
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2 years is a very long time in ITU triathlon. Older guys are right at their prime now, some others on the downward slope, younger guys not even there yet. With the Commonwealth wealth games this year those athletes had a very long season, peaking early and trying to hang in there until the end of season. Olympic Year I assume they will be all trying to peak for the same race.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Pearson looked close to making the main chase pack. No idea about the bike, but he had a top-10 run. It would be so nice to have a US guy able to finish top-10...I hope he knocks enough off the swim and grows enough on the bike to be able to utilize that run.

Or somehow go to a lab and graft his run onto a Kanute swim/ bike - heck, even a Seth Rider swim/ bike.

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]
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Pearson looked close to making the main chase pack. No idea about the bike, but he had a top-10 run. It would be so nice to have a US guy able to finish top-10...I hope he knocks enough off the swim and grows enough on the bike to be able to utilize that run.

Or somehow go to a lab and graft his run onto a Kanute swim/ bike - heck, even a Seth Rider swim/ bike.

Did he crash in the bike because he was about 5 mins slower than those he came out of the water with, or did he just keep dropping back out of packs.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [chrisb12] [ In reply to ]
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I’d like to know as well. Bad T1 and missed the group, mechanical, crash, etc? He wasn’t exactly a the place in the race that gets lots of TV time...

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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Adman] [ In reply to ]
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Adman wrote:
Trauma wrote:
It looked like AB just paced Richard Varga for the run knowing that he was DQ'd....


He definitely dropped back, but he also looked totally cooked after the first lap of the run, so he's still got a good bit to go on his run form at the moment.

Trauma wrote:
In terms of Van Riel, I'm not sure if anyone saw his IG post after the race, his dropped chain there with 3km to go was apparently from the elastic band from his shoes in T1 getting bunged up in his rear derailleur causing the chain drop, which is why it took him a solid 30sec to get the chain back on so that he could ride... The development of someone like Van Riel could be critical for guys like Luis and Blummenfelt having a podium shot at Tokyo, those guys, a healthy Schoeman and healthy and fit Brownlees could put a lot of pressure on the Murrays, Molas and Birtwhistles closing a break off the swim (that said, if Mola's swim keeps coming along the way it was at the GF, he might still be able to get on terms)...


The thing that has really stuck out for me is that while having those bodies in the lead pack will undoubtedly help, I don't think he should fear anyone on the run. That's two grand finals where he has smoked everyone on the last lap and looked to have a lot more in the tank. I could see the Tokyo course playing similar to the GC at the weekend.

I read some interviews in a French running magazine where he said he had been concentrating too much on running (Training with Mekhissi Benabbad et al), and the move to Joel Filliol has really balanced things out. Add the fact he's healthy and doesn't have any personal problems to contend with, I think he is a very dangerous individual for the next few years.

I have to agree Luis is very strong and would be a very good pick for 2020. On a good day he can outrun Mola. Plus he has the added the benefit that he can swim and bike so can get into the lead pack. It will be interesting to see how the racing develops over 2019. My take on it is that with no AB, and Javier, racing well/regularly in 2017/2018 the lead bike pack has lost some big engines. Previously if you get into a nicely sized working group with AB/JB/JG then there was a very good chance of getting into T2 with enough time on Mola/Murray etc. Now the lead group isn't as motivated/powerful. Plus Mola is swimming better. They peleton seems to be coming together sooner in the bike when the Norway boys then try to attack. Maybe AB is done and will not get his short course speed back but I wouldn't count him out quite yet.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [newManUK] [ In reply to ]
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For the Record Luis ran 29:44 to Mola's 29:55 in Gold Coast... which goes to show if Mola is on anything less than a stellar day, Luis has a solid shot at outrunning him, and is definitely stronger on the swim, and arguably stronger on the bike (at a minimum far more aggressive)...

It'll be interesting to see if guys like Schilling and Stornes can gain the consistency to get out of the water near the leaders and with 10-15sec on Mola, getting those guys in a pack with Schoeman, Luis, van riel, possibly 1-2 brownlees and blummenfelt is an exciting possibility, not only for the firepower that break would have, but for the fact that that's a couple less horses in the Mola pack to help bridge.

This season was interesting, because other than maybe Birtwhistle (and arguably Mislawchuk, who had a career year), all of the commonwealth guys flamed out this year, and the rest of the Euro Pack dominated, which may have something to do with the March peak for the CWG. It'll be interesting to see next season whether this is temporary, or if it's just a huge upping of the game by the rest of the Euros, building towards Tokyo...
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Trauma] [ In reply to ]
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Trauma wrote:
For the Record Luis ran 29:44 to Mola's 29:55 in Gold Coast... which goes to show if Mola is on anything less than a stellar day, Luis has a solid shot at outrunning him, and is definitely stronger on the swim, and arguably stronger on the bike (at a minimum far more aggressive)...

It'll be interesting to see if guys like Schilling and Stornes can gain the consistency to get out of the water near the leaders and with 10-15sec on Mola, getting those guys in a pack with Schoeman, Luis, van riel, possibly 1-2 brownlees and blummenfelt is an exciting possibility, not only for the firepower that break would have, but for the fact that that's a couple less horses in the Mola pack to help bridge.

This season was interesting, because other than maybe Birtwhistle (and arguably Mislawchuk, who had a career year), all of the commonwealth guys flamed out this year, and the rest of the Euro Pack dominated, which may have something to do with the March peak for the CWG. It'll be interesting to see next season whether this is temporary, or if it's just a huge upping of the game by the rest of the Euros, building towards Tokyo...

Good point about peaking for the CWG games and making it a long session.

"blummenfelt is an exciting possibility" I've never seen him swim well enough to make the 1st pack. If that started to happen it certainly would make the chasers job a lot harder.

I think the other races believe that if Mola is actually forced to ride hard then he doesn't run as well off the bike.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [newManUK] [ In reply to ]
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I think the other races believe that if Mola is actually forced to ride hard then he doesn't run as well off the bike.

He can definitely be softened up to the extent that a Luis level runner can take him on the run. But Montreal showed that he has improved massively in this respect - compare 2018 to 2017 where he fell apart after running through 5km like a man possessed. This year he just kept it going.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Adman] [ In reply to ]
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Adman wrote:
newManUK wrote:

I think the other races believe that if Mola is actually forced to ride hard then he doesn't run as well off the bike.


He can definitely be softened up to the extent that a Luis level runner can take him on the run. But Montreal showed that he has improved massively in this respect - compare 2018 to 2017 where he fell apart after running through 5km like a man possessed. This year he just kept it going.

Agreed he certainly has progressed as a complete athlete this year and was more patient in the GF. He followed on the first part of the run and let others chase initially.

Does Mola have to be more selective with his racing to get an Olympic medal? What do I know he has better people advising him than me :)
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Mola has definitely improved both in his resilience and patience in chasing down breakaways on the run and still running stellar times, and on being an active contributor on the bike. A few years ago, you would never see him on the front of a chase group during the bike leg, he would sit in, and would hope that others got him within striking distance to unleash his run and nab a podium. The last couple of years, he's taken more responsibility (not sure if this was by choice or necessity, because people stopped wanting to gift him a podium, so his only choice was to do the work to keep the gap reasonable, or risk being too far back to have any shot at a result....).

I'll also note that Schoeman has made bike steps this year on that front too... if you look at AB's comments during Superleague Jersey about schoeman's reputation bike wise (make the break because of his swim ability, and then sit in the break and do no work and try to hang on during the run for a podium). He's shown that he will do some more bike work (least of all witnessed by his solo break in Abu Dhabi and then keeping mola at bay with the run...), and still be one of the last men standing on the run...
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [newManUK] [ In reply to ]
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newManUK wrote:
Does Mola have to be more selective with his racing to get an Olympic medal? What do I know he has better people advising him than me :)

I think the he and Joel Filliol will prioritise Tokyo in 2020 so his season will probably look a lot different. The MO for the last 3 years has to basically have the championship won before the grand final which means being extremely fit March to July. To extend that into September is a big ask. So things will no doubt be tweaked somewhat to have a higher peak for a shorter period in 2020.
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Trauma wrote:
I'll also note that Schoeman has made bike steps this year on that front too... if you look at AB's comments during Superleague Jersey about schoeman's reputation bike wise (make the break because of his swim ability, and then sit in the break and do no work and try to hang on during the run for a podium). He's shown that he will do some more bike work (least of all witnessed by his solo break in Abu Dhabi and then keeping mola at bay with the run...), and still be one of the last men standing on the run...

His bike handling in Abu Dhabi was sublime. To instigate and hold a break through more or less bike skills alone was really cool to see.

AB was maybe a little harsh - Schoeman is only 59kg so is never going to be a powerhouse.
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [Adman] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed - I didn’t realize how good of a handler he was until Abu Dhabi. Very impressive, as was the run.

Aaron Bales
Lansing Triathlon Team
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As for Pearson, I heard he slipped and dropped his chain in T1, so he basically rode solo. I hope we get to see him come out of T2 with the group a few times next year.

Aaron Bales
Lansing Triathlon Team
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Re: Gold Coast ITU World Champs Has Some Incredible Possibilities This Week [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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B_Doughtie wrote:
yes 2 lap swim, exit water onto pontoon and dive back for 2nd lap.


Interesting, have never seen a race where they did that but rather usually just run and dive back into water. Thanks for the details!!!

I watched Lausanne in 2006, here's the u-23s going around - in under the Finish banner, then straight out again.
It looked like a kind of synchronized swimming, a continuous flow of black wetsuit bodies arcing into the water..

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doug in co wrote:
ericmulk wrote:
B_Doughtie wrote:
yes 2 lap swim, exit water onto pontoon and dive back for 2nd lap.


Interesting, have never seen a race where they did that but rather usually just run and dive back into water. Thanks for the details!!!


I watched Lausanne in 2006, here's the u-23s going around - in under the Finish banner, then straight out again.
It looked like a kind of synchronized swimming, a continuous flow of black wetsuit bodies arcing into the water..


Interesting, nice picture!!! Those guys, or girls, appear to be really spread out, as in 6-7 min between fastest and slowest swimmers.


"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."
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