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Next American to win Kona?
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Too much talk of tennis players and nike commercials - let’s talk tri. So it’ll be 16 years since the US has had a winner on the men’s side (and 22 on the women’s side). Why such a long stretch and who will break the streak?

Chris Lieto came painfully close in 2009. A solid swimmer and great biker, he just couldn’t quite put the run together at Kona. Crowie out running him for the win in finishing chute at Boise 70.3 was taste of things to come later that year. He was in the lead for a large portion of the run but Crowie put together a 2:48 run split (compared to Lieto’s 3:02) en route to a 2 minute victory. Since DeBoom’s victory in 1996 only two others have podiumed – Hoffman (2nd in 2014) and O’Donnell (3rd in 2015)

Who are the top Americans?
Ben Hoffman. He surprised a lot of people with his solid 2nd place finish in 2014. He clocked a stellar 8:13 for 4th in 2016 which would’ve been fast enough to win most years. Has won IM’s at Lake Placid, St George, CDA, Wisconsin, and Africa. He’s solid at all three diciplines. However he has been plagued with injuries this year. His biggest limitation was his birth year. He’s now 35 and in the prime of his career. Unfortunately for him the front end is faster and deeper than ever before. I think he could beat Jan, Gomez, Kienle, Lange, or Sanders. But I don’t think he’d be able beat them all at the same race. And all but two of them are younger than him

Tim O’Donnell. I think he only has two IM victories (South America and Boulder), but he’s been pretty solid at Kona (6th in 16, 3rd in 15, 5th in 13, 8th in 12). But he’s on the wrong side of father time. He’s turning 38 this year which only Crowie has won at that age.

Andy Potts. Has been in the top 10 at Kona six times (7th in 08, 9th in 09, 7th in 12, 4th in 14, 4th in 15, 7th in 17). Like TO, it seems like he’s on the wrong side of father time at 41. But he did bust out a Kona PR of 8:14 last year. However most of us are left wondering how good he could have done if he dropped the Gatorskins and Kestrel and went with a ST approved setup back when he was fast enough to leave everyone else in his swim wake.

Matt Hanson. He was my dark horse to podium at Kona last year but his was one to forget. He’s got 4 IM victories (Chatanooga, Texas x3) and currently holds the record for the Ironman Brand (with an asterisk for the short bike). He’s only 33 so he has a few years left to peak. His run is a great wildcard, but in order for him to crack the podium (or win) he’d need to find a way to get to T2 at the same time as McNamee, Nillson, Lange group. He’s my pick for the top American this year.

Ben Kanute. Has yet to do an Ironman and I believe is focused on Tokyo and the mixed relay. But he has had solid showings in his five 70.3 distance races. Most notable of course is his 2nd and 4th place finishes the past two years at Worlds. He’s just 25 so he’s got a ton of time and all the top guys now will be on the downturn or retired by the time Ben hits 30 and starts getting into the prime IM years. Alistair would be 35…but I can’t see him having a long IM career given his injury history. Obviously some of the other ITU guys will likely take a shot at Kona at some point as well (J.Brownlee, Mola, Blemmenfelt, etc). But that being said, he’s my pick to break the American cold streak. Maybe in 2025????
So who do you got? Top American this year? Next American to win (or even podium) and when? I was going to do the same for the women, but this took a bit longer than I thought and I really should get back to work…

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Matt Hanson is my pick for top American. He's my dark-horse pick for a podium this year as well. I think he's one of those guys that's 'played it safe' in races in the past because of his confidence in his run. Kienle has talked about this in the past and T.O.'s '15 race was an excellent example for this guy (among others). Put it all out there and risk a complete meltdown to see what you can really do. Riding along with all of the best runners, possibly losing 10-15 minutes to the front group(s), just isn't a play that is going to benefit these guys anymore if they truly want to win.

I also don't see Lange sniffing a podium again in his career, so what do I know...

Plus if Sanders eats pizza the night before everyone else is just racing to be the 1st loser.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Best case 5 years down the road. None of the ones mentioned is even close
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Euro83] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed. Maybe Kanute if he switches after Olympics
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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I say Kanute if he continues his progress and if he’s willing to step up to the distance. He turns 26 in December so he has plenty of time.

As much as I would like to see TO or Ben win, I just don’t see it happening. Matt Hanson has the potential to do well in Kona if he focuses on his race and doesn’t get caught up in the race dynamics and assuming he can run 2:40 there (which hasn’t done yet). His swim and bike are his limiters which I think will prevent him from ever getting on the podium.

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry America has no shot at even podium this year or foreseeable future.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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EnderWiggan wrote:
Sorry America has no shot at even podium this year or foreseeable future.

This, no chance.

Look at 70.3 if you want to examine what went down. Without AB and JF you have a first and second place of Gomez and Kanute...which was the same result as 2017.

If Kanute is the best hope for a US champion in Kona...we better hope for a rash of retirements or injuries to the real top talent in the sport.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Matt Hanson is my pick. He's been steadily improving in all disciplines in the last few years and his run is probably only matched by Lange right now. He's shown he can run fast in high heat and humidity which is all that matters in Kona. Maybe it's not going to happen for him this year but he's headed to a podium spot in the next few years.

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Phunctional] [ In reply to ]
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And what's worse for America is that as long as no American wins the interest in triathlon will decline, while in Europe, largely because of European winners, the interest in triathlon grows.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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I agree, unfortunately.

I was scanning through top Americans as well as current and none are showing immediate promise. Top athletes in all 3 sports. Any Americans in ITU who could potentially do it? Immediately, no.

Eric Lagerstrom, Jason West, Ben Kaunte. I think Jason West has some unreal potential. If Eric can stay healthy, he's shown he is a top notch athlete. I think Kaunte has the potential to be a contender. He is still really young. Mid 20s. Kaunte is a Lieto, with a better run.

All this said, In 5 years we have potential. But no earlier.


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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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The best chance would have been Gwen Jorgensen and she decided to become a marathoner. :)
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Kanute has a future as a dominant long course athlete. At 26 he's tearing it up. Laegerstrom has a shot, but his fitness recently is slowing him down. When healthy though, he's on the same track.

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [TriStart] [ In reply to ]
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Participation across the board might be in decline but youth participation is on the rise. That is the key to really increasing the US competitiveness. More colleges continue to add triathlon as a varsity sport. The truth is that very few Americans have the potential to win soon. However, I think that the longer term outlook for triathlon is on the rise with youth participation growing.

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [TriRugby] [ In reply to ]
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The women’s side has been even more bleak. 1 podium finish in the past 11 years. Jackson has been solid lately and I think she’s got the best podium shot (male or female). Interested to see how True does. Top 10? That being said. Switzerland will be keeping the title until Ryf retires.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see Gwen at Kona. She won’t make the Olympic team for the marathon in 2020. Perhaps 2022? She’d be 36 at the time.

I say keep an eye on Erika Ackerland. 22yo at University of Montana (where Lindsay Corbin and Ben Hoffman went). She’s won a few national titles and has a good background in both running and swimming. Working on getting into the ITU circuit right now I think

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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It's Erika Ackerlund. I have no idea how she compares against world class, but I've been in a few small races in Montana with her (Bobcat and Grizzly) and she was fast. Last year she went 1:03:56 (sprint distance with 1,000 yrd swim) and came third overall, 2 sec after nr 2. She has great potential, but first ITU, one or two Olympics, then maybe move to long course, if all goes well and she keeps enjoying the sport.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Kanute will come close but not win. Instead he will get beat by someone who commits a petty and inconsequential rule infraction early in the race. Then his coach will come here and complain about it.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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I see nobody in foreseeable future and certainly not Kanute. That is just my 2c. I am no expert. I follow ITU and Ironman and I am pretty sad that I see no potential on the male side.
The class of Frodeno, Sanders, Lange, Kienle, Gomez.....than others as they transition over to full distance, all in another zip code. When people run off the bike in 70.3 in 1:06 and change, thats another World apart from any American athlete.
I am more upbeat about women's side. Our ITU team is loaded with potential and when the girls shift gears to IM, should be fireworks in a few years.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [TriStart] [ In reply to ]
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TriStart wrote:
It's Erika Ackerlund. I have no idea how she compares against world class, but I've been in a few small races in Montana with her (Bobcat and Grizzly) and she was fast. Last year she went 1:03:56 (sprint distance with 1,000 yrd swim) and came third overall, 2 sec after nr 2. She has great potential, but first ITU, one or two Olympics, then maybe move to long course, if all goes well and she keeps enjoying the sport.

I imagine an IM is about the furthest thing from her mind. But I applaud you for the very random pick.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Matt Hanson has had some real rippers in hot weather races. He’s my pick.

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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I picked Hanson for 5th this year. He's our best best for the next few years. It he leaves T2 with a sniff of the lead, I wouldn't count him out. The question is whether he can pull off the S/B needed for that. I'm intrigued by Kanute after Tokyo (based solely off his 70.3 success), as he'll still be young. It's a bit bleak though, for sure. More so on the women's side.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [TriStart] [ In reply to ]
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I also did those races, went to MSU for my undergrad. I'm pretty excited to see how u23 worlds goes this year, and I could definitely see her doing well at 70.3, also wouldn't count out ironman
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Aren't Canadians (North) Americans? I heard there is a Canadian dweezle who has a shot at winning in 2018.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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I like Ben Hoffman for top U.S. racer. He hired a coach last year who helped him step up his run game. He hasn’t been able to showcase it yet due to injury and whatever happened in Kona last year. But he’s a year into the coaching and focus on running. I think 3rd time’s a charm. As long as he doesn’t get sucked into the Uber biker train
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Jason AZ] [ In reply to ]
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Ben is 35, he's in the same window as Gomez and Jan...it will be tough.

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [TriStart] [ In reply to ]
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TriStart wrote:
It's Erika Ackerlund. I have no idea how she compares against world class, but I've been in a few small races in Montana with her (Bobcat and Grizzly) and she was fast. Last year she went 1:03:56 (sprint distance with 1,000 yrd swim)

Yeah, the autocorrect on the phone got me. More impressive than her overall place was that she was just 83 seconds back from Linsey Corbin's course record (set in 2012 the year she went on to finish 8th at Kona). So not bad considering Erika was only 20 at the time per the records list. Definitely a lot of stipulations (health, enjoying the sport, sticking with it long etc). But maybe 10 years down the road we see her doing something big at Kona.

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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EnderWiggan wrote:
Sorry America has no shot at even podium this year or foreseeable future.

^ This!
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [TUEFELHUNDEN] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, the americans have many years to wait for a top contender again. More likely with spaniards, germans, canadians, australian or new zeelanders on podium or even the swede Patrik Nilsson(low chances this year)


Kanute and Hanson look the top ones right now. Potts, T-O have already peaked..
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [TriStart] [ In reply to ]
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TriStart wrote:
And what's worse for America is that as long as no American wins the interest in triathlon will decline, while in Europe, largely because of European winners, the interest in triathlon grows.

Do you think ? I started triathlon without any thought to The pro side. It’s still the least important part of it for me, although I do watch now

It was a fitness and personal achievement thing
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Mark Lemmon] [ In reply to ]
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Mark Lemmon wrote:
The best chance would have been Gwen Jorgensen and she decided to become a marathoner. :)

Do you think she'd have really had a chance in non-drafting events? She did very well to get her swim and bike to the level where she could hang with the lead pack and then unleash her run in drafting events, but I think in IM she'd be well out of contention by T2. I think switching to pure running was a better decision for her.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [cartsman] [ In reply to ]
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cartsman wrote:
Mark Lemmon wrote:
The best chance would have been Gwen Jorgensen and she decided to become a marathoner. :)


Do you think she'd have really had a chance in non-drafting events? She did very well to get her swim and bike to the level where she could hang with the lead pack and then unleash her run in drafting events, but I think in IM she'd be well out of contention by T2. I think switching to pure running was a better decision for her.
Not to derail the thread too much but I think she'd be a contender... Carfrae has had some big gaps on the swim and bike... then run through to victory. She ran through Ryf in 2014 with something like 15 minutes off the bike. I think Gwen has zero interest in long course though.

Otherwise on thread topic I don't see any American's with a strong chance of winning in Kona.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Animalmom2] [ In reply to ]
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Animalmom2 wrote:
TriStart wrote:
And what's worse for America is that as long as no American wins the interest in triathlon will decline, while in Europe, largely because of European winners, the interest in triathlon grows.

Do you think ? I started triathlon without any thought to The pro side. It’s still the least important part of it for me, although I do watch now

It was a fitness and personal achievement thing

I think you made his point

Your interest is fitness not pro
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Hoffmeister] [ In reply to ]
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Plus 1 Hoffmeister, I looked at a map and a globe and was surprised ;-).... this thread apparently needs the title changed to "Next American to win Kona?" For those unaware of mapa and globes, the U.S.A is part of North America along with those insignificant countries...Canada and the evil Mexico and chill out I'm joking. I do think Mendez will have a shot down the road...a young guy with a developing swim and bike that already has a great run, and specifically a great run in the heat. As far as Americans go, I like Lagerstrom down the road with Hanson as a dark horse if he is close enough on the bike.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Chemist] [ In reply to ]
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After fantastic races by both Ben Hoffman and Tim O’Donnell I thought it would be fun to bump this. Still no victory yet for the (United States of) Americans . Who knows, maybe Frodo calls it a career after breaking the record and opens up the door for these two?

The one athlete I think that I’d add would be Rudy Von Berg as he's had a great season at the 70.3 distance and is just 25.

Matt
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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EnderWiggan wrote:
Sorry America has no shot at even podium this year or foreseeable future.

Sorry, had to quote this and make you eat crow after seeing TO on the podium just 13 months after your post ;)

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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EnderWiggan wrote:
Sorry America has no shot at even podium this year or foreseeable future.

ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Chemist] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder about Kanute. Probably not to win, but anyone who can swim and bike with the leaders is in the mix to podium, right?

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Chemist] [ In reply to ]
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Chemist wrote:
After fantastic races by both Ben Hoffman and Tim O’Donnell I thought it would be fun to bump this. Still no victory yet for the (United States of) Americans . Who knows, maybe Frodo calls it a career after breaking the record and opens up the door for these two?

The one athlete I think that I’d add would be Rudy Von Berg as he's had a great season at the 70.3 distance and is just 25.

I do like your Rudy Von Berg pick.

Just to throw a name out there, what is the long term outlook of Sam Long. He seems to have potential.

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Chemist] [ In reply to ]
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Chemist wrote:
EnderWiggan wrote:
Sorry America has no shot at even podium this year or foreseeable future.


Sorry, had to quote this and make you eat crow after seeing TO on the podium just 13 months after your post ;)


And Hoffman ran his way up to 4th seconds behind Sebi. The US almost had 2/3's of the podium.

EDIT: Americans had the most (3) in the top-10.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Chemist] [ In reply to ]
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Chemist wrote:
After fantastic races by both Ben Hoffman and Tim O’Donnell I thought it would be fun to bump this. Still no victory yet for the (United States of) Americans . Who knows, maybe Frodo calls it a career after breaking the record and opens up the door for these two?

The one athlete I think that I’d add would be Rudy Von Berg as he's had a great season at the 70.3 distance and is just 25.
Couldn’t believe it took this long for Rudy VonB to get mentioned. I think he has real potential. Big step up this year at 70.3.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Culley22] [ In reply to ]
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Excuse my ignorance here but why do you class TO as an American athlete? I know he lives in the States but he was born in Britain and competed for them.

I’m just interested more than anything else.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [t1mmy] [ In reply to ]
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t1mmy wrote:
Excuse my ignorance here but why do you class TO as an American athlete? I know he lives in the States but he was born in Britain and competed for them.

I’m just interested more than anything else.
I’m not sure why you asked me, but maybe because Timothy O’Donnell was born in Shavertown, Pennsylvania (according to Wikipedia). Pretty sure he was an Air Force guy... oh, and he IS American. ??
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [t1mmy] [ In reply to ]
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t1mmy wrote:
Excuse my ignorance here but why do you class TO as an American athlete? I know he lives in the States but he was born in Britain and competed for them.

I’m just interested more than anything else.

LOL What? Timothy O'Donnell, United States Naval Academy Class of 2003. Left the US Navy as a Lietenant (0-3), brother is a sub boat Captain. His tri club representation is Team Red, White, and Blue.

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t1mmy wrote:
Excuse my ignorance here but why do you class TO as an American athlete? I know he lives in the States but he was born in Britain and competed for them.

I’m just interested more than anything else.

Are you thinking of Tim Don?
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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lol I did say excuse my ignorance!

In my half asleep state I was thinking Tim Don! What an idiot 😂
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [drm437] [ In reply to ]
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drm437 wrote:
Just to throw a name out there, what is the long term outlook of Sam Long. He seems to have potential.

SL won a relatively uncompetitive Ironman Chattanooga. Only other race possibly more wide open this year was Wisconsin.

He has a long, LONG way to go before he will be considered a contender for the win at Kona.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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He beat Matt Russell in Chattanooga. That’s pretty big. He is young, if he is well coached and determined he may be promising?
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [r-b] [ In reply to ]
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I’ve been following him closely and he definitely is promising. He holds bike course records at Lake Placid and Chattanooga now I believe, and probably more. His run is strong when it’s there, but he’s only had 2 solid IMs with quite a few poor ones after getting off the bike. I think he can put it together. He is 23 now and has plenty of time. I’m not sure why 30-40 year olds do the best in long course racing as the whole experience and fitness argument could also be made for 70.3s, but clearly young guys don’t do as well at the full distance for whatever reason.

I think if he sticks with it and has the finances to do so he will win bigger and bigger races. If he aims for top 10 at Kona net year but deliberately doesn’t shoot for the podium I think he could do it.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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jkhayc wrote:
drm437 wrote:
Just to throw a name out there, what is the long term outlook of Sam Long. He seems to have potential.

SL won a relatively uncompetitive Ironman Chattanooga. Only other race possibly more wide open this year was Wisconsin.

He has a long, LONG way to go before he will be considered a contender for the win at Kona.

He’s a pretty big guy also. Jan shows how dominate a taller athlete can be but He is much leaner than Long.

I think Long has a ton of potential though and will definitely be following him. Seems like an interesting personality as well. Hope he does great.
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pran wrote:
Yes, the americans have many years to wait for a top contender again. More likely with spaniards, germans, canadians, australian or new zeelanders on podium or even the swede Patrik Nilsson(low chances this year)


Kanute and Hanson look the top ones right now. Potts, T-O have already peaked..

How many Spaniards have podiumed in the last 10 years? How many in the top 10? Ditto for New Zealand. Comp this to US and get back to me.

T.O. is at peak. There is a difference between this and peak. He can stay at this level for at least a couple of years.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Cup] [ In reply to ]
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I mean, Sam Long is one of the leanest triathletes on the circuit. Nobody is leaner than Jan but there’s only a couple guys as lean as Long.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Chemist] [ In reply to ]
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Keep an eye on Rudy Von Berg in the next 5 years along with Ben, until then, hopefully Matt H??
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Wayne@PolarUSA] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [t1mmy] [ In reply to ]
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t1mmy wrote:
lol I did say excuse my ignorance!

In my half asleep state I was thinking Tim Don! What an idiot 😂

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
Wayne@PolarUSA wrote:
Keep an eye on Rudy Von Berg in the next 5 years along with Ben, until then, hopefully Matt H??

Is Rudy Von Berg American? I thought he was from France or Italy???

Per his profile he was born in the US then lived in France from age 2 to 19. He has been racing for the US since 2015
https://www.triathlon.org/...1/rodolphe_von_berg1

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [1poseur1] [ In reply to ]
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US has 4 in 10 years at podium. Germany have most, Australia loads too and Belgium has same as US. Last spaniard on podium was Llanos. Gomez is a likely one to be on a podium there as in most race he take part in. Currie may be on podium one day too

What´s most likely doesnt always happen. If you look on the competition in general, T-O on the podium wasnt likely.
He may last a few years but this was for sure his best race. Quite old though so will not last forever.


Us do have some young guys coming up Rudy von Berg and Kanute.
Maybe they will do good results at long distance (full)too

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [pran] [ In reply to ]
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Donald Trump. He is training full time.

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Wayne@PolarUSA] [ In reply to ]
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Wayne@PolarUSA wrote:
Keep an eye on Rudy Von Berg in the next 5 years along with Ben, until then, hopefully Matt H??

Rudy for sure, young with a real promising future

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Chemist] [ In reply to ]
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Katie Zafares will be the next US Kona winner.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Chemist] [ In reply to ]
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Given the dearth or racing this year there hasn’t been much to talk about so I thought I would revisit this thread I made about 2.5 years ago.

A year after posting we saw Tim O’Donnell place 2nd (behind a record breaking Jan) at the 2019 edition of Kona becoming just the 4th person to ever break 8 on the big island. Ben Hoffman was two spots back in 4th place, and was on pace to run down Kienle for 3rd before running out of real estate. His run split was just 25 seconds slow than Jans that day.

A few months ago we saw Matt Hanson use a strong run to chase down the everyone by Iden and finish 2nd at the stacked PTO championship.

A couple of guys that I didn’t mention but other posters had...

Rudy Von Berg
At the 2019 70.3 word championships in Nice he finished 3rd behind Iden (who has looked unbeatable at the 70.3-ish distance in his past 2 races) and Alistair (whose face would be on the Mount Rushmore of triathlon). A great biker, he has quite a few 70.3 victories and podiums so far. Not sure when he’ll make his full IM debut. At 27, time is on his side.

Sam Long
A quick count on ObsTri shows he has done 30 IM branded races with 13 being full Ironman races. And he is only 25. Is he going to burn himself out or destroy his body at this rate? Who knows, but he’s got a giant motor and a lot of potential. Big questions are can he become a 2nd pack swimmer and can he run well on the big island with his frame?

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I love this post, just in general.

Ben Kanute: I would LOVE to see Kanute find his racing ability. He appears to work hard and smart, and I’m waiting for his ITU speed (perhaps not top 5 ITU speed, but still) to hit longer distances.

RvB: honestly hadn’t heard of him until later this year, and I’m excited to see where he’ll go. PTO was a great glimpse into his potential.

Sam Long: If any American I’ve seen lately can make it to the consistent winning and podium conversation, it’s Sam. Epic training days and some insane runs. The swim may be a challenge, but it only needs to be “good enough†in my opinion. He’s not TOO far off that now.

Matt Hansen: massively impressive PTO race. I think Iden got very lucky with the bike because of his swim, if that makes sense. I don’t know he could’ve managed that race without what was essentially a free ride on the bike, and then Hansen would’ve taken it. Obviously, Iden deserved and earned the victory, but that was a pretty unique situation with how that bike leg looked. Hansen looked phenomenal throughout the run, and again I think the uniqueness of the bike played out differently than is typical, in Hansen’s case for the worse.

ITU Wildcard: maybe we’ll see a young gun or two jump over to long course after these Olympics. I’d love that, and I think that’s the “correct†pathway for future IM success given how mind-bending the long course running is getting. If those guys can learn to ride in aero and avoid injury, they’ll be difficult to beat.

I’d add that I think iron distance racing is less of a puzzle than it has been for the pros. You mostly see nutritional mistakes and injury taking guys out. Those are easier and easier to handle these days, particularly with newer science on strength training and carb intake. It’s going to get wild when everyone starts to hit 120g/hour on the bike (and maybe even the run) comfortably. I think we haven’t seen that potential fulfilled yet, and I predict we’ll start to see bike/run combos that make better and better racing. I’m hopeful that we’ll get more like Daytona at more major events, with big groups actually racing each other inside the last hour.
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RVB is imo just building his racing resume, building his tool box, year after year in the shadows of others. The guy has gotten some really good results the past 2+ years and is still the "unknown". Also he's still fairly young and can just continue to build that speed to turn into an IM force at the prescribed right time.

Chemist's notes on Sam Long's # of IM's is eye catching in the wrong type of eye catching atleast for such a young athlete at only what 24/25 years old.

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It will be interesting to watch the careers of Long and RVB side by side. They are both larger (for tri) guys who are close in age and based out of Colorado (I think they were on the same college team?). They however are taking very different approaches to racing. Long has probably done more 70.3 and IM races than any other pro. RVB seems to have a more “calculated†type approach to racing and deciding when to ‘move up.’

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RVB seems to be the guy that has demonstrated the most Kona potential. Almost all the proven guys at Kona (ex Lionel) will age out over the next 2-4 years. Big question for these Americans is what foreign contemporaries will emerge. AB, Gustav, etc could be there as road blocks. There will be some Americans in the mix (like now) but we don’t have a Gustav.

It would be interesting to see if an American male champion would elevate the profile of the sport and crossover nowadays.
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It would be interesting to see if an American male champion would elevate the profile of the sport and crossover nowadays.

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I dont think so, I think the sport is "IM" to begin with, so I dont think there is much to actually elevate beyond what it is now.

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Don't forget that longdistance racing is something completly different compared to olympic distance. Even a 70.3 is more a slow olympic than a fast ironman. There is no doubt that the guys you mentioned like Iden, RvB, Kanute, AB etc. are top athletes with huge potetial but first they have to figure out how longdistance racing work for them (and they can, there is no doubt).

I think longdistance racing is a different thing and especally Hawaii is whole different world. There are only a few guys like Jan, Sebi, Ben, TO (maybe a few more?) who can deliver top results on the big island every year. Everyone with huge potential and good results on the shorter distances has to prove himself in Kona first..

Sorry if it's a little bit off topic but I wanted to share my thoughts. :)
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I’d add that I think iron distance racing is less of a puzzle than it has been for the pros. You mostly see nutritional mistakes and injury taking guys out. Those are easier and easier to handle these days, particularly with newer science on strength training and carb intake. It’s going to get wild when everyone starts to hit 120g/hour on the bike (and maybe even the run) comfortably. I think we haven’t seen that potential fulfilled yet, and I predict we’ll start to see bike/run combos that make better and better racing. I’m hopeful that we’ll get more like Daytona at more major events, with big groups actually racing each other inside the last hour.

100% agree.

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The other caveat is that LC racing is always going to be sorta a crap shot vs SC racing, where if you fuck it up, you get to try again in 2-3 weeks. You fuck up an IM, you generally can't get a "do over", until your body heals up, build back up, etc etc.

(yes I know there are pros out there that can race back to back weekends, but you get the point). When you go deep into an IM, you have to recover before "trying again".

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I don't see any American winning it in the next 5-6 years(it saddens me to say that as an American). I would not bet on Kanute unless his run improves, I think his best at 70.3 was 1:15 and these days thats not going to cut it when guys are running below 1:10 just to place in the top 5 basically. I do like Rudy von Berg and how he has been really consistently, competitive at 70.3 so it would seem that he has room to improve barring injury. Let's see what Sam Long does for another year or two before we put him that category of 'possible American winners of Kona'. Lets not forget that guys like Iden and Blummenfeldt are coming to long course sooner or later as will Vincent Luis. On the women's side.....yikes that looks even worse right now, Sarah True (sorry forget her last name now) looked quite competitive until that heat thing came up (which seems to really overtaken her). Maybe ITU athletes will come ever but until I see them at 70.3 its really hard to say.

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I think an American win won't lift the sport much. But if it could be sustained winning from that American or multiple Americans it could provide significant lift to the sport and it's coverage. Also getting an WTS event here again would be very helpful to raise the profile of the sport.

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [drm437] [ In reply to ]
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You should go check out the thread on Sam's last swim workout. He's at least fours years to never away from getting his swim where it needs to be. And in that four years, the guys at the front will continue to improve in the swim.

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USAT I believe they lost 6 figures the last times time in San Diego and Chicago hosting WTS events. They likely want no part in the WTS tour anymore.

Obviously hosting the '28 Olympics, it'll only be a requirement for LA to be a '27 WTS event (or test event at min).

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I guess I would want to know how high in the 6 figures for the loss. 100-200k? Call that an investment. 600-900k? Yeah bad juju. When USA Rugby held the rights to the US 7s Series stop they lost an insane amount of money and basically bankrupted the Union.

Any WTS or Conti Cup event would need investment from a local sports commission, that's where the money is. Not from USAT. And an event would need to be stuck in for a good amount of time.

The US has only hosted an 5 times in the 11 years (granted 2020 season was basically canceled). The issue with that is also that USAT rotated the event from DC to SD when they got it back, and then to Chicago. The key for this is to have retained the event and kept it in the same city the entire time.

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You should go watch the DC event it's hilarious.....they had the transition in wait for it....grass.....lol


The issue with the US for WTS holds and back to the OP winning Kona. I don't think it matters, I think we are sorta stuck in our ways with how "we" view the sport. You have so many AG'ers out there that couldn't name 2 pro's and so all they want is their IM races for them, etc. I think the bigger problem with Kona is what PS and Joel Filliol stated about Kona a few years back...."IM has set it up that if you aren't a Kona weather type of athlete you wont win and then you suddenly *suck*".

I think KZ could be a good long term LC athlete I wonder what she does post Olympics with potential family etc (yes I know they come back after preggo). I think Sam Long just needs to grind for a few more years with the swim before he's truly an threat. He's also imo very young and he may run into a situation where he's "burned his matches" by the time he's 30 type of scenario.

RVB has this quiet assassin quality about him imo. He doesn't necessarily need to hoot and holler, he'll just show up to a world class race and go top 5 and mic drop. Kanute is still stuck in this MTR / 70.3 racing and so until he finally commits full bore to IM we wont know what he's looking at.

I have no opinion on McElroy or Pearson going LC just yet, there's this weird dynamic sometimes for CRP athletes coming into ITU triathlon with no real multisport background. Especially on the women's side, IM racing for them is "for the birds".


In terms of an WTS stop in the US. Here's the issue. We have no "soul" for ITU. There isn't a city in the US that will fill 100k fans at an venue. That's what it takes for local govt and entitites to go all in on it. But again we as a whole have no clue wtf this "draft legal" racing is, we all think it's "cheating" cus we dont do it on our tri bike, blah blah blah.

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In fairness to Kanute and racing, he was 2nd at 70.3 Worlds in 2017 and 4th (to Frodo, Brownlee, and Gomez) with a 1:12 run in 2018. He has 70.3 wins at Texas and Oceanside and also won Escape from Alcatraz. That’s not shabby.

Granted he’s still trying to straddle the ITU/ long course balance, but I have to assume he’ll leave ITU after this cycle? I still maintain he’d be my 3rd choice after Pearson and McElroy for Tokyo, especially as a great option for the MTR. Also, I know the “d word†is controversial for the individual race, but he does swim and bike especially well...

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Yeah so it gets back to what will it be. To raise the profile of the sport in this country you need a significant period of American Dominance at Championship Level events. So Another Gold Medal win would help. But it's beyond Draft Legal. It's Draft Legal, 70.3, and 140.6. Can't just be a one off. But like the 80s and 90s where Dave Scott and Mark Allen dominated the sport.

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Yes and I just dont think it'll happen. I think we'll have an American win here or there every X years. But I dont see dominance and I dont see sustainability simply because triathlon in the grand scheme of things in the US is so far down, it doesnt count...and give credit to other countries who make it a point and pride in triathlon w/ their athletes. The German machine is great, the Aussies have always cared for triathlon and multisport.

(Not that we coaches won't try to change that, I just think we are what we are).

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Agree—

Almost certainly, the next American to win kona has never done an Ironman or likely even a half yet. It’s probably going to be a random USAT project podium kid at ASU who fails to make the 2024 Olympic team and goes long.

Or maybe an existing ITU guy like Morgan Pearson if he can figure out how to ride a TT bike at that level.

But I just don’t think any of the American long course ‘specialists’ in the current rotation, sam long included, are talented enough or well-rounded enough to do it.
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It's funny how under the radar RVB is. Honestly - if you look at how he races - front-ish pack swim. Willing to take chances on the bike (St G, Wildflower, Nice WC) and while not the fastest runner has had some brave comeback races on faster runners showing a lot of guts. Shows up every time at big races, and is pretty clinical. Good bike position, gradual progression and while strong - tall and pretty slender like Jan. When thinking about it - he races similarly swim bike, and his running should continue to get better as he gets older.

I basically talked myself into this one - I think he's much closer than any of the ITU guys (all unproven except Kanute in my books) and I think he's progressing a little faster with similar strengths to Ben at this point.

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Rudy would be my choice right now as well. He’s methodically taking his time racing 70.3 and has stated in a few interviews that Kona is coming in due time. Will be exciting to see him race full distance. Kid has a lot of heart and love for the sport.
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haha

answer = Tim de Boom, but we're not sitting in 1999
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Not to highjack but Lionel is (north) American and he's finally seen the light - Nike AF! <pinkish>

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Not to highjack but Lionel is (north) American and he's finally seen the light - Nike AF! <pinkish>
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Yeah that is like the triathlon media when Peter Reid was racing. He was Canadian until he won Kona and then suddenly it was all about him being Nth American.
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tinman wrote:
Not to highjack but Lionel is (north) American and he's finally seen the light - Nike AF! <pinkish>

I was kind of half joking bout DeBoom, but Americans don't have to feel particularly bad about the last 20 years coming up iwth a goose egg. The last ~20 years post deBoom?Reid, are Stadler, Faris, Macca, Crowie, Jacobs, Kienle, Frodeno, Lange.

I only see Australia and Germany in there. Did I miss anyone? At this point just move this show over to Frankfurt or Cairns since every other nation is just cannon fodder for the Aussies and Germans (well, I guess South Africa could claim Jan).

I am quite happy if Brownlee, Iden, Hansen, Lionel or O'Donnell can get in between the Aussies and Germans, but I am giving it to the Germans again.
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Coupla Aussie sleepers quietly going about their business in Australia are Max Neumann and Steve McKenna. Don't be surprised if these two start making big waves in the next few years.
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Missed Van Lierde. But that happens, he won in between Kienle and Frodeno and is a more quiet type.
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Can TO or the Hoff pop off a win in the next 2 years? Podium-yes, win-no. In the near future I see Matt Hanson as the guy who could make the top dogs nervous. I expect to see Sam Long show up to Kona with top-level fitness but will get taught a lesson and need to learn how to race Kona. Rudy Von Berg is certainly a guy who is underlooked and could be a force in this sport in 5 years.

I would take Hanson as my near contender but would rather bet on RVB in 2025+.
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In the near future I see Matt Hanson as the guy who could make the top dogs nervous.

People have been saying that for, literally, years. He hasn't even come that close to "putting it together" in Kona.
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Re: Next American to win Kona? [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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I think in the near future, the best chance is still Rinny's husband and The Hoff. But time is running out for them, not many years left.

All other current long course guys (apart from Hanson) I don't see them having the required top marathon in them. That includes Kanute, Long, VonBerg.

ITU men, I don't see any bike powerhouse in the US men where I'm like, yes I can see this guy moving well to Ironman distance.

I agree with you that Katie Z has the most potential if leaving ITU. With the caveat of, will her power run hold over longer distances. I'm already amazed how she can keep up with the small girls at ITU.
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So which one of the Hansen / Long duo - if any - does well in the heat? Because that seems to be a monstrously important factor in the Big Island?

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At the risk of being a debbie downer...

Matt is what... 35 yo? Window is closing and he hasn't figured out how to put it together on the big island yet.
And Sam Long will not be a 'contender' in a championship-style race like Kona with his swim.

i think you have to look elsewhere for the next american male winner. RVB seems more balanced than either of them. Had a strong showing in 70.3 worlds, etc.

It's a cop-out to take the 'field' ont his ne, but i still think it will be some kid coming over from draft legal after the 2024 olympic cycle with a knack for long course that none of us have really heard of yet being the next true american contender at kona.
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Totally agree. In the 2019 Kona, AMERICA!!! had 2nd and 4th but the talk is about Sam Long and Rudy? Both TO and Hoffman are proven at Kona and at their peak. Rudy will be the next one. He's a smart racer and has the swagger from constantly being overlooked and always delivering.

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Totally agree. In the 2019 Kona, AMERICA!!! had 2nd and 4th but the talk is about Sam Long and Rudy? Both TO and Hoffman are proven at Kona and at their peak. Rudy will be the next one. He's a smart racer and has the swagger from constantly being overlooked and always delivering.

There are really strong guys like Hoff and TO that can put in podium finishes, but never seem to threaten for the win. Sonner or later one of these type of racers will win by circumstance. Imagine if Jan had back issues on the run similar to 2017 during the 2019 race...TO wins.

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Brandes wrote:
Totally agree. In the 2019 Kona, AMERICA!!! had 2nd and 4th but the talk is about Sam Long and Rudy? Both TO and Hoffman are proven at Kona and at their peak. Rudy will be the next one. He's a smart racer and has the swagger from constantly being overlooked and always delivering.

I get your point, but RVB and Sam Long are 28 and 24 respectively. TO and Ben Hoffman by comparison are old men and their windows are closing.

TO laid down the fastest American time at Kona and still lost to Jan.

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hard to put guys in an order an body, fitness and lifestyle changes are always changing things month to month for a racer.

Top 5 options in my oppunity for 2021 after the results of 2019.

Hoff ( has the good already)
Chris leiferman. (
T.O, has two kids now???
RVB ( fast enough but is he strong enough)
Sam long ( can do it)

Chris gets no love but as a kona rookie he top 10 ed and did in 8:13!!! s 52,b 4:24, r 2:52

then we went to Flordia 202 and did 7:52. s 54:40 B 4:01:50 R 2:50:29, a run like that off a 4:01 bike wihtout a runner in sight is very good. Ih we was pushed early in the run he may have ran even faster.

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I heard what your saying and think we are in agreement, I’m just looking at the current layout and both TO and Hoffman are not showing signs of decline, especially Hoffman with where his run is.

To win Kona you need a weapon, TO’s weapon is that he’s incredibly good at all three but i don’t see him having that extra punch. You have to be near the front to win, and that gives TO the mention he deserves.

Hoffman’s run, if he is in striking distance has that weapon that can win the race. He needs to develop the ability and confidence to ride further up to be in a position to unleash the beast.

So, we both agree that RVB is one of the next guys and the same for Chris L... just not yet to WIN.

Keeping this all fun, we know racing isn’t this simple and doesn’t work as easily as we’d like it to. I’m just hoping Hoffman reads this kind note and throws me a generous discount code for Cervelo. Can’t a guy dream.

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We have guys who are powerful and fit enough to be in the top 5. Heck we could take 2nd thru 5th and I'm unsure it would raise the profile of Triathlon much. As I said to Brooks. To truly raise the profile we need to have Americans basically win the damn thing several years in a row to turn the heads of Sponsors and Broadcasters. If you can get Americans domination ITU, 70.3, and 140.6 for 3 to 4 years concurrently then I think that will move the needle on the spectator and maybe for participation.

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Not necessarily replying to you specifically but generally:


TheStroBro wrote:
We have guys who are powerful and fit enough to be in the top 5.


I'm not sure I understand the pessimism regarding an American winning any time soon given that fact. If you can be in the top 5 you can win. TO was a Jan Frodeno cramp from winning last time out. I think there's a case to be made against anyone individually, but collectively I don't think anyone should be surprised to see an American Kona champion in the next couple years.

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Heck we could take 2nd thru 5th and I'm unsure it would raise the profile of Triathlon much. As I said to Brooks. To truly raise the profile we need to have Americans basically win the damn thing several years in a row to turn the heads of Sponsors and Broadcasters. If you can get Americans domination ITU, 70.3, and 140.6 for 3 to 4 years concurrently then I think that will move the needle on the spectator and maybe for participation.

I'm extremely pessimistic triathlon is going to be particularly high profile any time soon, even if Americans dominate internationally. When Lance was dominating the TdF, coverage was still mostly passed around fledgling cable networks.
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Although that's true. Lance became a rockstar and there were crowds everywhere. In a general sense he kind of saved cycling here or at least gave it some stimulus before it continued its decline, and I think some of that is directly tied to him being a cheater and jerk about it.

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Chemist] [ In reply to ]
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Go Chelsea! Just 10 more miles and my question will finally be answered!!!

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Chemist wrote:
Go Chelsea! Just 10 more miles and my question will finally be answered!!!

Sheesh...seems likely
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Wahoo Let’s go Chelsea!!!! That was freaking awesome to watch!!

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Re: Next American to win Kona? [Sam(go) Long] [ In reply to ]
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Wahoo Let’s go Chelsea!!!! That was freaking awesome to watch!!

What an incredible performance!!! She looked amazing on the run. Kona rookie, new mother, only 1 full distance race. Mind blowing. Its not like the rest of the field was weak or did poorly- that was a stacked field of incredible athletes.
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wow, the whole first page had just a few mentions of female athletes. this thread did not age well.
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