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Woah.
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Beautiful!
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Looks great.

Kind of knew this was coming. Cannondale the last of the bigger players in the bike business to not have a full-on aero road bike in the line-up.


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Whoa that’s a beautiful bike. I really like how they’re dealing with the cables at the headset.
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Also impressed! Nice work Damon.

Damon: can you let me know what the chainstay length is?

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wow, looks awesome!

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Andres] [ In reply to ]
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Hard to get excited about this while I'm still waiting for information on the SuperSlice to show up on the Cannondale website



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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Andres] [ In reply to ]
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That can't be aero. it has disc brakes.

(I don't do pink)

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The superslice has been available for a while.



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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
That can't be aero. it has disc brakes.

(I don't do pink)

You beat Tom A. to it...

Interestingly enough, Damon mentioned Tom in a Cyclingtips Podcast interview he did, and to my surprise, it had nothing to do with aerodynamics, it was a discussion on frame compliance/stiffness.
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Cables in front of steerer look very similar to Fuji Norcom
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Whoa that’s a beautiful bike. I really like how they’re dealing with the cables at the headset.


The nice thing to see is the incorporation of the junction box & charge-port elsewhere on the bike, with the 2018 Dura-Ace Di2 group. It cleans things up considerably.

I know it's a cosmetic thing but it seemed crazy to have these beautiful $10,000+ road bikes then have a birds-nest of wires and the junction box hanging down underneath the stem. It just ruined the whole look of the front end of the bike for me.


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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Andres] [ In reply to ]
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It looks good. It will be interesting to see how many riders actually race on it once it gets past the prototype stage. Seems like (to my eyeball anyways) most pro riders are shying away from riding aero bikes in favor of the all-rounders, even moreso than before. Katusha (Canyon Aeroad) may be the exception.
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Andres] [ In reply to ]
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wow. that is totally NOT what I need. but. so. pretty. must. buy. one. (eying remaining available credit)




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JasoninHalifax wrote:
That can't be aero. it has disc brakes.

(I don't do pink)


We need a best in class rim brake version to compare it with.


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Can someone enlighten me on where the brake cables are going?
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Minorsubplot wrote:
Can someone enlighten me on where the brake cables are going?

to the brakes.

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BryanD wrote:
JasoninHalifax wrote:
That can't be aero. it has disc brakes.

(I don't do pink)


We need a best in class rim brake version to compare it with.

Trek Madone would be fair game.
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Where is the Madone disc! We all know it's coming

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
Minorsubplot wrote:
Can someone enlighten me on where the brake cables are going?

to the brakes.

Incredibly helpful. Thanks.
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Andres] [ In reply to ]
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Please take my money.

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Minorsubplot] [ In reply to ]
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Minorsubplot wrote:
JasoninHalifax wrote:
Minorsubplot wrote:
Can someone enlighten me on where the brake cables are going?


to the brakes.


Incredibly helpful. Thanks.

Just doing my part. Happy to be of service. ;-)

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Andres] [ In reply to ]
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One thing I don't like is the seatpost, which is my major beef with most aero road bikes, including my own.
I want a bit of flex for comfort, and I doubt this will flex at all.
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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LMAO, I like your style of humor!

JasoninHalifax wrote:
The superslice has been available for a while.

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
Where is the Madone disc! We all know it's coming

I just wish the H1 frame geometry didn't carry a $1,000 premium over an already pricey frameset 🙄
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
BryanD wrote:
Where is the Madone disc! We all know it's coming


I just wish the H1 frame geometry didn't carry a $1,000 premium over an already pricey frameset 🙄

indeed but that's partly due to the upgrade from 600 to 700 carbon
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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NordicSkier wrote:
One thing I don't like is the seatpost, which is my major beef with most aero road bikes, including my own.
I want a bit of flex for comfort, and I doubt this will flex at all.

Knowing what we know that Damon knows about seat post flex and comfort, I'd be willing to bet there's some "secret sauce" in there that adds some sort if compliance ;-)

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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don't you think dropped seat stays help with that?

Tom A. wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
One thing I don't like is the seatpost, which is my major beef with most aero road bikes, including my own.
I want a bit of flex for comfort, and I doubt this will flex at all.


Knowing what we know that Damon knows about seat post flex and comfort, I'd be willing to bet there's some "secret sauce" in there that adds some sort if compliance ;-)

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
BryanD wrote:
Where is the Madone disc! We all know it's coming


I just wish the H1 frame geometry didn't carry a $1,000 premium over an already pricey frameset 🙄

So this is what I'm waiting to see: the geometry on this. I like H1 geometry as well (but don't like the idea of using a 24mm spindle in this day and age when Fairwheel has been showing its inferiority for a decade now). Though, from what I can determine, the stack height on both the Madone and the Canyon Aeroroad measure to below the integrated headset cap/cable port, making the stack higher that what is advertised, but that makes it about the same geo as a Supersix. Interested to see if this new frame has the same geometry as the Supersix, and a sub 900g frame...??

last, wonder when we'll see road follow mtb'ing and go back to threaded inserts? and if Cannondale will jump to bb386a threaded?

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [milesthedog] [ In reply to ]
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I've seen way more failed aluminium threaded inserts in carbon than any pressfit problems.
So many frames are ditched because of this it is not funny.

30mm axles also suffer greatly from fretting and other damage from water ingress.
Shimano use 24mm axles because steel is a better long term material for the application at this stage of bike evolution.
There are plenty of creaky threaded BB out there, it is just that people are scared to buy proper tools for fitting any BB other than a screw thread so bag it when they stuff it up, but find threaded easy to replace.

A Shimano pressfit as used by Giant, Scott etc, have wider bearing placement, virtually zero in service problems and are super easy to change out.
They are also super light and cheap to produce.

Bringing back the threaded standard is a backward step.
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too much wrong in your post to respond to. but thank you for the feedback

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [milesthedog] [ In reply to ]
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In other news.

Since when did Cannondale completely remove all Tri/time trial bikes from their website?

Abandoning Tri?
...Or waiting for the Super Slice launch?

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [TriSliceRS] [ In reply to ]
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OK... just found a reasonable update on another thread.


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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [TriSliceRS] [ In reply to ]
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TriSliceRS wrote:
...Or waiting for the Super Slice launch?

Someone mentioned the Super Slice in a post earlier on in the thread...
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Andres] [ In reply to ]
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Andres wrote:
TriSliceRS wrote:

...Or waiting for the Super Slice launch?


Someone mentioned the Super Slice in a post earlier on in the thread...


He died waiting, though.

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [milesthedog] [ In reply to ]
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(but don't like the idea of using a 24mm spindle in this day and age when Fairwheel has been showing its inferiority for a decade now)

I've read stuff like this before. Do you actually know much about Fairwheel bikes? Genuine curiosity.
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jkhayc wrote:
milesthedog wrote:
(but don't like the idea of using a 24mm spindle in this day and age when Fairwheel has been showing its inferiority for a decade now)


I've read stuff like this before. Do you actually know much about Fairwheel bikes? Genuine curiosity.

Hey, I like Fairwheel's testing and find it valid enough... ha.

But no, I've felt no difference in my SRAM 24mm spindle in my Trek SC and having used a 30mm THM M3 crank in a bb86 Scott road frame.... but that's not the point; Fairwheel's numbers are what I 'feel' when I'm out there riding.

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [milesthedog] [ In reply to ]
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Unless the ride and fit is poor, this will more than likely be my next road bike. Racing for a Cannondale I'll more than likely get a really good deal as well.

I just hope the color schemes aren't crazy. Everytime the model with the components I want are some funky color. Just make everything black.
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Andres wrote:
TriSliceRS wrote:

...Or waiting for the Super Slice launch?


Someone mentioned the Super Slice in a post earlier on in the thread...

Not only, but there was a Super Slice rim-braked model at the Giro prologue last weekend...

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milesthedog wrote:
I like H1 geometry as well (but don't like the idea of using a 24mm spindle in this day and age when Fairwheel has been showing its inferiority for a decade now).

Do you mean a 24mm BB spindle? I looked fairwheel's blog and website, but could not find any info about their tests regarding this. Can you point me to a link about their testing of 24mm BBs? Thanks.

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DarkSpeedWorks wrote:
milesthedog wrote:
I like H1 geometry as well (but don't like the idea of using a 24mm spindle in this day and age when Fairwheel has been showing its inferiority for a decade now).


Do you mean a 24mm BB spindle? I looked fairwheel's blog and website, but could not find any info about their tests regarding this. Can you point me to a link about their testing of 24mm BBs? Thanks.

All I'm seeing is their test of crank arms: http://blog.fairwheelbikes.com/...-bike-crank-testing/

Nothing about spindles. I highly doubt anyone here is strong enough to get a 24mm steel spindle to deflect in any meaningful way. Eve if you were, steel is a pretty excellent material for a spring: almost all of the energy was absorbed by deflecting would be mostly returned when the spindle "springs" back.
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tessar wrote:
Andres wrote:
TriSliceRS wrote:

...Or waiting for the Super Slice launch?


Someone mentioned the Super Slice in a post earlier on in the thread...


Not only, but there was a Super Slice rim-braked model at the Giro prologue last weekend...

I'm pretty sure it was raced there last year as well.
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Spotted at the ATOC today as well. Most bikes and all spares are the old SuperSix but a few guys including Phinney and I think Simon Clark and Dan McLaycare riding the new one (but not everyone - I thought only 3 out of 7 had the new version yet). Staff is very excited and impressed but not allowed to post pics on social media apparently.
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Benv] [ In reply to ]
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That’s the Slice Frame. They just added drop bars. Looking at my Slice right now, it is identical.
I guess when I upgrade to a new tri bike I will convert my Slice to a road bike. I don’t have disc brakes on it, but don’t really need them on the Texas coast.
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I would imagine it has a lot different geometry to a Slice frame
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It doesn’t look like a slice at all...
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Etexag wrote:
That’s the Slice Frame. They just added drop bars. Looking at my Slice right now, it is identical.
I guess when I upgrade to a new tri bike I will convert my Slice to a road bike. I don’t have disc brakes on it, but don’t really need them on the Texas coast.

Other than the fact that they’re nothing alike, they’re exactly the same.
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Etexag wrote:
That’s the Slice Frame. They just added drop bars. Looking at my Slice right now, it is identical.
I guess when I upgrade to a new tri bike I will convert my Slice to a road bike. I don’t have disc brakes on it, but don’t really need them on the Texas coast.

They’re nothing alike. The top tube on the road bike is visibly sloped (vs horizontal on the Slice) and the HTA is visibly steeper.
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Etexag wrote:
That’s the Slice Frame. They just added drop bars. Looking at my Slice right now, it is identical.
I guess when I upgrade to a new tri bike I will convert my Slice to a road bike. I don’t have disc brakes on it, but don’t really need them on the Texas coast.

In the words of the great Tommy Chong, "it's exactly the same, but different, man"

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I like how there's actually an Imaginary Slice in the same picture, to far left.

If Cannondale sell it then they can call it Super.

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GreenPlease wrote:
Etexag wrote:
That’s the Slice Frame. They just added drop bars. Looking at my Slice right now, it is identical.
I guess when I upgrade to a new tri bike I will convert my Slice to a road bike. I don’t have disc brakes on it, but don’t really need them on the Texas coast.


They’re nothing alike. The top tube on the road bike is visibly sloped (vs horizontal on the Slice) and the HTA is visibly steeper.
And the slice frame wraps around the rear wheel whereas the supersix doesn't. Supersix frame is also MUCH beefier so the seatpost and all other tubes are much wider.
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Etexag wrote:
That’s the Slice Frame. They just added drop bars. Looking at my Slice right now, it is identical.
I guess when I upgrade to a new tri bike I will convert my Slice to a road bike. I don’t have disc brakes on it, but don’t really need them on the Texas coast.

I hope you don't have a job where attention to detail is important - the differences are pronounced.

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Benv] [ In reply to ]
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other than the fork, toptube, downtube, seat tube, seatpost, seatstays, and chainstays, they look exactly alike.....

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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Bonesbrigade] [ In reply to ]
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Damn you guys are brutal. At midnight last night after a few drinks it was the same frame. This morning sober not so much. Exact was a strong word. I see similarities in the shape but definitely different. I guess I’ll add blind to my list of talents.
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Andres] [ In reply to ]
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This will be my next bike whenever it's released......which is hopefully soon.
Any insiders have new info?
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [ridenfish39] [ In reply to ]
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ridenfish39 wrote:
This will be my next bike whenever it's released......which is hopefully soon.
Any insiders have new info?


I've heard July
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [teichs42] [ In reply to ]
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teichs42 wrote:
ridenfish39 wrote:
This will be my next bike whenever it's released......which is hopefully soon.
Any insiders have new info?



I've heard July

Anything known about which groupsets and pricing?
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Tri_Joeri] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, looks really cool!

Damon's tt designs were so far ahead and that companies were/are still scrambling to catch up years later... No doubt this bike will ride as great as it looks
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [Tri_Joeri] [ In reply to ]
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Tri_Joeri wrote:
teichs42 wrote:
ridenfish39 wrote:
This will be my next bike whenever it's released......which is hopefully soon.
Any insiders have new info?



I've heard July


Anything known about which groupsets and pricing?

Not at the moment. But my rep seemed positive both the road and Super Slice would be available then.
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Is this "thing" what you guys have been waiting for???



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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]
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let's look at the picture one more time ... sigh. its so shiny and nice.

I think the last Cannondale I craved had gigantic aluminum tubes. had to be around the LA Olympics. this thing, this looks awesome.
its a super sexy Foil. its a risqué S5.

the thing above .... that's awful


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dsmallwood wrote:
let's look at the picture one more time ... sigh. its so shiny and nice.

Sure the "pro" one looks nice. :)
Does anyone else think the fork rake looks weird? It's looks waaay out front.
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]
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They look the same to me, except the paint, slammed-ness, and someone decided to take a picture before taking out the wheel reflectors and "spoke protector."
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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [trail] [ In reply to ]
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its super model versus reality.
the pro bike's seat is too high and its stem is slammed. the production model is the opposite.
the pro bike is sleek. the production model has bizarre cable routing out the back of the stem (wth???).
the pro bike has a properly positioned crank with an aero chain ring, while the production has an ugly, cross chained, set up.


in legit differences, I see only two "maybes".
the pro bike's seat tube looks straight. the production model seems to have a curve, almost like a Fuji.
perhaps that is also the paint.
(adding)
and the pro bike's fork frame "melding" seems to have a line or curve that I don't see on the production.

the non-drive side is beneficial to their name. having the C at the top looks better than at the bottom bracket.




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Re: Aero Cannondale... yay Damon [smartyiak] [ In reply to ]
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I think its because of the "missing" material at the fork crown. It looks almost like an undercut up at the fork crown, if that was filled out I don't think it would look as raked.

Alternatively, they could be trying to go full enduro and rake the fork all the way out, look out for a dropper post on the higher spec version and 27.5 plus tires
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FishOutofWater wrote:
...Alternatively, they could be trying to go full enduro and rake the fork all the way out, look out for a dropper post on the higher spec version and 27.5 plus tires

Wouldn't look any worse!
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