I guess its worse than I thought

Jan 20, 05 14:46

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I think Cervelo makes fantastic bikes. I'm a huge fan of the company and I love the fact that Gererd takes an active role here.

There's also everpresent grumbling that this board is biased towards Cervelo. I think to a certain extent that's true and I don't really care, after all I do think the bikes are great.

But is there a forum rule written somewhere that states that whenever a question relating to bicycles is asked that responses must include posters suggesting Cervelo?? I swear it's getting out of hand.

My butt hurts when I ride.... Have you considered a P2K?

What are your favorite bib shorts?.... You should check out a P3.

What are your opinions regarding the Guru Trilite? .... Take a look at a Dual.

Is everyone on payroll and I'm just a sucker?

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 14:51

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How about a Kestrel?

:-)

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 14:54

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"this board is biased towards Cervelo."

If that's the case it's because a lot of people here own them, which should tell you something.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 14:57

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I want to be the first one who owns a Cervelo w/ PowerCranks. Imagine that thread. Better yet, a Lucero w/ PCs!

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 15:02

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I won't dispute that they're great bikes. I think I mentioned that in my original post. (As a matter of fact, you'll find one in my garage.) I'm just tired of threads like:

Original Post: I'm looking for a new bike and I've narrowed it to two choices: option A, and option B.

The cheerleaders all shout: "Option C, option C, go with Cervelo!!"

So much for addressing the question.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 15:03

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after starting that AC bike frame thread, you'd better have some data to back that up ;-)

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 15:03

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In Reply To:

If that's the case it's because a lot of people here own them, which should tell you something.

Exactly what he said: "this board is biased towards Cervelo."

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 15:04

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After this post I almost forgive you for wearing those purple shorts! :-)

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 15:07

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And with the exception of the P3C, they are all aluminum...yuck. Just kidding alright!!

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 15:34

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Are you really thinking about a new bike?

TheBikeRacer.com

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 15:47

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Did I tell you about my P3?

customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Mr. Tibbs] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 15:48

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You got a P3???????? We should think of a name for it.

what are you doing with your old bike?

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [MattinSF] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 15:49

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occy got it. Oh wait your kidding. I love you Martin.

customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 15:53

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[reply] Is everyone on payroll and I'm just a sucker?[/reply]

Where's my check Gerard?

;-)

Paul

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 16:01

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You are right about people on the board always suggesting Cervelo, and I have stopped myself from posting several times because I knew someone else would suggest Cervelo before I could. However, it just makes sense. They build a great bike and they are affordable (relative to other bikes of the same level).

I wanted a P3 ever since Jaylew smoked me when he first got his. Two bikes at the crest of a hill, no pedaling, he's pulling away, and I have to start pedaling to catch him. I have one now, and I love that thing. I thought I would still ride my M4 Specialized, but I have not touched it since I built the P3. Its just that much fun, oh and its comfortable, to ride.

56-11...the only way to fly

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 16:41

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It's not surprising about Cervelo. They make great bikes. Everyone here loves them. And Gerard frickin is selling our peaceful tribe clothing and is a forum member. That's hard to beat. Guru's are great too. I only wish cervelos would fit me better but I think their top tubes are too long.

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [JoB] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 17:05

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JoB wrote: I want to be the first one who owns a Cervelo w/ PowerCranks. Imagine that thread. Better yet, a Lucero w/ PCs!

I know you're too late on the first count....a personal friend of mine has a P3 with PowerCranks. I'm afraid you're too late on the second count, too, but that's just a suspicion! I know you're too late on a Lucero with Rotor Cranks...that's a fact.

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 17:08

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I ride a Colnago Dream Tri...Much better than a Cervelo...

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Titan] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 17:15

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yeah, rub it in! I'm in the market for a Soloist anyways, though. I'll pm you about what you think about the PCs. :-)

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [runboorun] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 17:18

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"Two bikes at the crest of a hill, no pedaling, he's pulling away, and I have to start pedaling to catch him"

You attribute this to the frame? Interesting.

I have a friend with a new P3. He's a fabulous cook. I wish I could cook.... maybe I should get a P3...

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Mr. Tibbs] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 18:11

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[reply]Did I tell you about my P3?[/reply]

I heard 2nd in the voting for the Giant was getting the P3:^)

I think I would kill my self and a few others on that thing.

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 19:04

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Damn, Pooks, you're right!! When people start writing Haiku's about Cervelos, it really is worse than you thought;

"Two bikes at the crest of a hill

no pedaling, he's pulling away,

and I have to start pedaling to catch him"

Slowman, you should shut down Tibbs Lavendar Room and open the Cervelo Haiku Room in it's place

**All of these words finding themselves together were greatly astonished and delighted for assuredly, they had never met before**

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [mojozenmaster] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 19:18

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Pook bitches about great bikes

He hates the love the bikes

Is he in need of a life?

customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Mr. Tibbs] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 19:26

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We may be biassed

But Cervelo climbs highest

Only Pooks denies it ;

kiwipat

per ardua ad astra

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Brian286] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 19:33

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"i...Much better than a Cervelo..."

Man, and I thought it was only your poitical posts that were out to lunch. :)

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 19:35

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"Two bikes at the crest of a hill, no pedaling, he's pulling away, and I have to start pedaling to catch him"

You attribute this to the frame? Interesting.

Frame and rider position. Considering that the week before, on his old bike, I would barely edge him out while coasting. Hmmmm. What is the variable in this equation?

56-11...the only way to fly

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [runboorun] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 20:15

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"What is the variable in this equation?"

Well, for starters, "frame and rider position", and wheels I assume. My money puts the frame at the bottom of the list. Then again, the haiku says I'm wrong.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 20:20

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Pooks asks god for blessings

God strikes him brain dead

God rides the carbon P3

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [kiwipat] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 20:24

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Badmouth the forum?

Cervelo rules, by quorum!

I'm such an asshole.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Mr. Tibbs] [ In reply to ]

Jan 20, 05 20:27

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Tibbs licks my rectum.

That is where my poo comes from.

Ha! I just said "poo!"

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Martin C

Jan 20, 05 20:28

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [runboorun] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 1:18

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I figured I should chime in seeing as I'm the coaster being discussed.

Ah, the good 'ol days: Pat on his Nishiki, me on my Raleigh R700. 55+ minute 1/2 IM swims. Training rides in tri-shorts...Pat wearing underwear under his ;) Neither of us far from 2 bills. Chasing skirts. Boo and Satch :(

I certainly remember that day, though I recall it a bit differently. I just remember pulling away on the flats :-)

Going from the Raleigh with the Airstryke clip-ons to the P3 was a huge difference, though I'd wager the majority of the improvement came from the improved position.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 5:14

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Pooks video tapes Tibbs

Likes money from internet perves

ODs on crank bought by profits

:-P

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 5:19

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that should have won the haiku contest

have you considered Cervelo toilet paper?

oh wait, that's Tibbs' job

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [LarryCalifornia] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 5:22

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LarryCalifornia materail snob

Does internet porn of Tibbs with Pooks

Snuggles tightly in each others arms each night

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 6:02

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Interesting.

It could be a good case study in micro or grass-roots marketing. Cervelo, has made some great moves with regards to how they have promoted themselves. In this business, it is the little things that count. Big, splashy and expensive marketing and promotional strategies don't seem to work that well. The bottom line of course, is that they have a solid line of product - but so do the other players. The bike business is such these days that just about everyone makes good, solid and reliable product. Consequently, the smart companies need to look at other ways to set themselves apart from the competition.

Fleck

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [jaylew] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 6:31

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Good stuff, Jason. Yeah those were the days.

For the record, you were pulling away on the flats too, but that could be attributed to how much power you were putting out that day.The first hill that we hit was what sold me on the bike. You probably don't remember that hill because I was so far back pedaling to try and keep up! I will never forget it because it was so frustrating to me, but so apparent that I needed a new bike.

Thanks for chiming in...later

56-11...the only way to fly

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 7:04

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yes, it seems that most here are a fan of it. it's certainly is like tunnel vision, but it's all good.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Mr. Tibbs] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 8:44

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Expensive habit.

Only sick porn sales fund it.

Tibbs' porn is sickest.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 9:27

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I think its just a matter of happy customers; word of mouth. If you ask me what I would recommend as a bike, it would be Serotta. I have never been happier. I genuinely get the feeling most people here love their Cervelos and recommend them whole heartedly.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [deechee] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 9:35

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I completely agree. I think Cervelos are great and I'm happy so many Cervelo owners here like them. But usually when somepody asks a question about a SPECIFIC bike that is NOT a Cervelo, Cervelo ends up being recommended. It happens with no other bikes.

Q: What do you guys think about the Pinarello Dogma?

A: Cervelo.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 9:37

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"responses must include posters suggesting Cervelo??"

just realize it's not cervelo pushing this. it's like the guy who always posts about promotion wetsuits whenever a wetsuit thread comes up. there are some people who just don't get that enough is enough. there was a time some months ago when kuota was the name that kept popping up. as long as it's not the company who does this on the sly, well, that's the nature of discussion boards.

i do think a good topic would be the companies whose bikes deserve to be recommended as true, important, serious options for those who can ride an aggressive tri bike, versus those companies that really haven't earned their chops.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 9:51

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For some reason I associate Cervelos with engineers. When people answer questions like "Should I get a Dogma" with "Cervelo", I just assume its because that person has no communication skills. Trust me, I started school in Engineering, I know. You just have to ignore them.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 9:54

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"just realize it's not cervelo pushing this."

Certainly. I hope I wasn't giving the impression that I thought this was the case.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 10:17

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For what it is worth, I ran a search on the ST forum and got the following results:

Cervelo = 12033 hits

Quintana Roo = 796

Guru = 1325

Litespeed = 1659

Trek = 2466

I do not know how many of these cross over each other (mention of two or more in the same message) and therefore do not know the extent of double counting.

However, it does appear that there is a bias toward Cervelo. But so what? That tells me that Cervelo is a good bike and many enthusiastic and well informed people post their experiences in this forum. Finally, that is somewhat ironic given that the originator of this site created QR.

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Mike C] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 10:54

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[reply]How about a Kestrel?

:-)[/reply]

Right on! The Talon rocks!

I think the excitement about Cervelo is>>> 1. They are known as a Tri bike company and now are very successful in road racing which give triathletes a sense of pride. 2. Gerard posts here, give us insight into the pro cycling and triathlon world, educates us and is pretty darn cool. 3. Even though I dont have a Cervelo YET, they are really SEXY bikes and from what I hear fast and fun.

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Ed in IL] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 11:18

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Agreed on the "sexiness" of the Cervelo...saw a pic of a P3SL Carbon the other day, and damn that is one hot looking bike. Kestrel kind of reminds me of Toyota--- somewhat stodgy styling but a fantastic product that with a little bit of care will last forever. I know Cervelo has been around a while, and it is very cool that Gerard posts here (I have learned more on this board in the last 2 months than you could imagine) and is certainly on my list of "must test ride" before I buy...but so is Kestrel. And maybe the Trek. And maybe Felt.

Lots more choices now than even a few years ago---it can drive you crazy, especially since you have to go to a number of different LBS's to be able to try the different brands. But it's a fun search nonetheless...

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [Mike C] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 11:24

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I love my Talon! It would be nice to be like Robin Williams and have a compoiund full of cool bikes. Id also like to give that new specialized a tri.

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 12:14

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so true!! can't be quality with the price! I owned mine way before I ever checked out this forum, and now I"ve gotten 3 others to buy cervelos b/c I was so happy with mine.....they just don't seem to have any unhappy customers...

Re: I guess its worse than I thought [turtlegirl] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 12:24

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How's your ITB?

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Re: I guess its worse than I thought [smartasscoach] [ In reply to ]

Jan 21, 05 12:27

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I'm up to 5 minutes on the elliptical! who --hoo! marine corps, here I come! really though, PT I'm seeing that Doc recommended thinks its all instability and lack of my other muscles pulling their weight, so I've been not doing any working out (argh) but my exercises daily.....my goal is to at least be on my my fantastic cervelo in a month!!! :P let's hope.

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