if he changes his strategy from posting on ST about training and aerodynamics to actually training more then his chances will improve substantially

Increasing

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I dunno sub 2:10 isn't a cake walk by any means

That's a whole 5 months away. What's his starting point? Lifetime pb?

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If he starts his EPO/HGH program now and trains hard, I think he can do it.

Just curious, why sub 2:09:59? Is sub 2:10 not fast enough?

oly swim pb: 23 min
oly bike pb: 1:04

the run is the catch, haven't DONE an only with any run training (last year I did two olys, but couldn't run due to injury)

But Ive done stand alone 10 mile race in under 7:30 pace in 2008

so the potential is there if I stay focused, don't get hurt, and if I can go on without the love of matty reed :(

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As I see it he'd have to run 41 minutes off the bike and hope for a wetsuit swim.

He would also need to start in the "open" wave, not his age group wave. On the multi loop bike course it's really slow going on the 2nd and 3rd loops. He'd be doing good to break 1:02.

We'll see.

the 23 min PB was without wetsuit

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As you know the transitons run outs and run ins are very long.

Why don't you plea bargain for a faster course?

I've got this all in a spreadsheet with transition times worked out

swim 22
t1 3
bike 59
t2 2
run 43

total 129


ive got padding in the transition times
the bike goal may be a pipe dream but there's no reason I can't pull a minute off the swim goal if I stick with swimming every day and work with jamdavswim a little more.

this is going to be tough.

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Jeepers Jackmott,with all that expert advice you have been giving us on evey training topic over the last few months I would have thought that you could easily coach yourself to cruise to a 2:10 Olympic tri.

You gotta have more faith in yourself. ;-)


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Jackmott, I don't know you, but for :59:00 bike, you better be a hell of a cyclist. I and for sure, don't ride Argon18 for crying out loud. It is not aero and you need all the help you can get.
I wish you luck, report back how it went. It will be fun.

the bike goal may be a pipe dream

Get a cycling coach.

Someone like Tyler Hamilton.

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a :59 min 40k isnt hard......running after it might get tough.

FYI, He's not even in the top-10.

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Wow really? I have a 40K PR of 56:10 in 1995, not in a triathlon mind you. Straight up 40K and I have to tell you, to have slowed to 60 minutes would still have been quite a hard effort. I had a handfull of sub hour 40K's in triathlons, but they were run disasters. To keep my run intact the best I could churn out was maybe a 1:02 and still have a solid run. Unless the cycling world has changed a sub hour 40K is still a very, very respectable and not easily attainable time. I don't know if I could break 65 minutes in an all out 40K at this stage in my life....doubt it.

I guess ST just has the best 40K tt'ers on the planet. So a sub hour 40K is now 'easy'. Wow.

I think ST is far from the best 40tters in the world, but there are a bunch of people around here who routinley break 60 for the 40k, I did it 6 or 7 times last year alone...and im far from the strongest cyclist on here, in fact im probably not even in the top 100 for strong TTers here on ST.

maybe "easy" was the wrong word, its a hell of an effort to break an hour for 40k, but I dont see it much differently from breaking 40 for a 10k (which I have also done). it is doable, but it takes some work and you gotta dig in.

Jack can do anything!

Will he be using a disc?

He'll be running a Copenhagen Wheel.

probably a disc cover. I hope he breaks 2:10....I never have but its a goal of mine. Maybe I can go head to head with him at that race and see if I can get closer to 2:10. that would kick ass.

If its the exact same course as CapTexTri, those transitions AREN'T padded, T1 especially with wetsuit removal, easily could be 3+ minutes.

Realistically, unless you bike like the pro's you're NOT gonna break 60 on that bike course (if its the same as CTT), so you're gonna have to run sub 40min, in ~90+ deg heat to get under 2:10. Think realistically and train that way, don't put all your eggs in the bike basket.

Good luck! Its also my dream time for this years CTT race, but I'll be happy to break 2:14.

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You should go for your sub 2:10 at the Toyota US Open in Dallas on 10-10-10. I assume they will go ahead and have it.

Maybe you can go head to head with Matt, I think he did that race last year. It should at least be a faster course anyway.

Find a better race. Most of the one I do in OH are like 90 sec t1 and 30 sec t2. I assume that your bike training is solid, but what's your swim and run training like? 23 not bad, but there is a lot of to to improve on that.

I feel a tri-sport Rocky-esque training montage coming on!!

I rode a ~59m at the Austin Tri last year and did it on a P2-sl with slowtwitch approved aerodynamics with a modest wattage (252avg, 256norm @ roughly 3.7 watts/kg). With a solid summer of V02/SST threshold work J.M. will be able to get there on the bike, no doubt. The sufferfest videos are going to take care of all the speed work. :o)

The pivotal key is the run. Can Mr. Mott get enough injury free base and speed work to do the low 40's run required?

It is Slowtwitch. Every one swims 1500 in 20 because 23 is easy. Bikes sub 60 because 63 is easy and runs sub 38 because 40 is pedestrian. Everyone is fast until they race then the excuses come in. You know the wind, traffic, GI, bad RD,long transition run, long swim, bike, run, slow traffic, bad aid stations, rain, not A race, bad taper, no taper, legs just did not have it but I did not bike too hard, shitty water, leg cramps, to sunny, too hot, too humid, too hilly, bad roads.

Good luck breaking 2.09.59! It's fast.

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I suspect you go a minute or two over on the swim, try to make it up on the bike, maybe (big maybe) hit your time goal on the bike, and then do a 6.2mi victory walk on the run course.

This is just my opinion. On the plus side, all the training for this may let you finally beat your fiancee in a race some time this summer...

Now that is funny.

My prediction is a longer than expected swim, he kills himself on the bike [not getting it done in under an hour anyway] and runs 45 plus. Jack does not even run does he?

look at my training log, since 3/1 I have been updating it meticulously, no need to speculate

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way more fun to speculate :-)

i would think running would be a HUGE priority for you. that bike is not gonna do you squat when you have to walk the whole run.

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Well, if blogging and a meticulous training log detail have anything to do with race performance you will probably go 1:47 flat.

According to your training log, you rode the 12 mile chronometro TT in 30 minutes. That does not bode well for a 59 minute 40K split in a tri.

Also it looks like you may need to bump up your run mileage to have any shot of a low 40's run split.

No problemo, we put a GPS on him and you watch his progress on a Iphone screen. :o)

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You should try a wetsuit run; you won't be cold!

I think we should get a pool going. Come up with an over/under or some odds and lets get some $ flowing on this.

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Lions don't lose sleep worrying about the sheep

he can break it b/c of the new semi AoD set up.

Imagine matt reed switching cycling coach is leading to a breakthrough performance of jackmott.

can't be that hard consensus is that it's a no go. So we start the odds at 1-4 that he can do it. As the money flows in, if it's mainly on the side that he can do it, the odds will decrease to say 1-2 or that he can't maybe it goes to 3-5.

I think starting with the odds that he can't do it seem logical based upon this thread. Maybe he can though, that's the great part about betting.

If we could get a historical race report from him with his last 4-5 races, we could easily establish and over/under time.

I'd throw $10 on him based upon the odds and another $15 on the over under. Although last time I bet on MarkyV the f*cker went faster and I had to give up caffeine for a month. What an ahole. Not marky, me with out caffeine.

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Why does everyone have a fucking boner for Jackmott? So, he posts a lot. He repeats a lot of what Tom A, AC and others would say, but they don't since they're mundane questions repeatedly asked. There is (perhaps used to be ... and I haven't been an ST regular forever to have noticed) a braintrust of specific and quality knowledge that doesn't contribute much any more. Jack fills a role. Seemingly, he really likes the sport. BFD. Jack, put on a flea collar and scratch your balls.

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Not everyone.

I hope he finds the motivation here in this thread and go 2:09 or faster, in the best slowtwitch way possble. A poor swim, a fast bike and a death shuffle. The faster the bike time the better. ;)

buzzkill.

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He does add more posts per day than just about anyone though :-)

Since #1 doesn't appear to be posting much anymore, and #10 is banned I believe or just doesn't show up anymore he may indeed reach #1 some day.

~Matt

He has to have the highest posts/day average of anyone. Highest total posts is only a matter of time

Will he use Powercranks?

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But, I can tell you it would help you become a better runner and meet your goal! I love mine.

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Bike for show, run for dough.

And I think you're gonna be broke.

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Wheel cover and aero helmet on. But I think also he best relook the bike goal and try to go a little faster on the run. He is going to be cooked after that bike for sure :) But my best oly is 1 hr 28 min and change. Hell I would love a 1 hr 15min Oly.

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He, does if, you weed out some people who just registered and have very high post rates because they've only been on for a few days.

Top 10 Posts Per Day Of Users with Greater Than 1000 Posts
1// 13.7 jackmott
2// 9.8 Tom Demerly
3// 9.0 last tri in 83
4// 8.1 R10C
5// 8.1 BarryP
6.// 7.8 wiffcheese
7// 7.8 vitus979
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oly swim pb: 23 min
oly bike pb: 1:04

the run is the catch, haven't DONE an only with any run training (last year I did two olys, but couldn't run due to injury)

Let me ask you again...what is your lifetime pb? No asterisks, no excuses. Just give us your best time. Thanks...

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Captex last year 2:30ish. Look it up

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This isn't looking good.

Sprint?

HIM?

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I hated every minute of training, but I said, ''Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.''
- Muhammad Ali

I've been quite clear that I think this will be tough. I'm coming off a 2009 where I could not run. What is possible this year? I do not know. This is a good goal.

Just had a good 4 mile run =)

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Go for it man, I may show up and see what I can do. I only ever raced in texas twice.

let me know when you wanna race across texas, I'm your man.

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I know, it's a worthy goal and I sincerely wish you luck, but if we're gonna wager on this I need to exercise due diligence :)

So, sprint or HIM experience? I'd look it up but you don't register a real name, and searching brings up 14,000+ posts on tyres...

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I hated every minute of training, but I said, ''Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.''
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Jack can do anything!

If you are successful, you should send Tyler some $$ as a coaching fee since his coaching will have resulted in a huge PR for you.

Good point

Thanks tyler, and matt, and xcsnail ;)

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If his PR is 2:30"ish", there is no way in hell he is breaking 2:10 in Austin.
You better be running a 35-36 open 10k and riding a 57-58 min 40km tt to touch that imo.
I don't easily go under 2:10 unless i am pretty damn fit. 35-36 min open 10k and 56 min open 40km fit.
Going from 2:30"ish" whatever the hell that is, to sub 2:10 at not super fast course would be like going from 12:00 to sub 10 in an IM in one year. Not impossible, but unlikely.
Plus if you are doing 2:30"ish" oly's with any sort of structured training at all, you might be genetically challenged as well. Even after a run injury if you can cycle/swim/crosstrain during recovery you should be able easily knock out a sub 45 10k on the back end of an oly.
Good luck with that, hope you pull it off.

2:30 flat consists of what? like a 26 min swim, 1:10 bike and 50 minute 10k? Lord knows what a 2:30ish holds in store.

Long way to go to do a 24-62-41.

Good Luck, but i smell another epic fail like that dude(sneakyspeed IIRC?) who said he'd go sub 10 at his first IM and did a 12:30 or something, hah.

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2// 9.8 Tom Demerly
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5// 8.1 BarryP
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8// 7.6 tigerchik
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There are probably others too. I know my "Posts per day" are much higher than what is shown. I registered in march 04' and didn't start posting regularly until Feb 05' after my exile from TNO. :-)
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i had assumed with as much as he talks he was faster than 2:09.

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I'll go $30 on the over 2:10:00 (look I'm giving away a free :01)

$30 on the over 2:20:00

$20 on the over 2:30:00

$20 on the over 2:35:00

$25 on the under 2:40:00

$20 on over 44:50 for the run leg of the tri.


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Damn Dude that is cold!

oh snap

I'll take $20 Jack does it under 2:35

:-))

Wow thats pretty harsh man. I do not think you have to be running 35 minute 10ks and 56 min 40ks to open to break 2:10. If your are dropping those times, you should be closer to 2:00.

I went from a 2:38 to a 2:12 in a little over a year. It just takes the right training/recovery.

And I don't know if its just me, but I don't really feel the need to be a dick to someone who has a goal. Its not like Jack even started this post, he's just playing along.

My money is on Mott to get this done. Good luck, brotha!

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I'm pretty sure I could break 2:35 like, tomorrow morning.

Now there is a non zero chance I get hurt again or work stresses me out so much I give up on hobbies.

So maybe not such a crazy bet =)

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Where do BarryP, wiffcheese, vitus979 and last tri in 83 post? I know Barry P adds a lot to running threads, but, otherwise, I don't see many other posts. Do I need to meander over to the lavendor room?

No!! Don't go in there!

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also take into account his G/F (is that still the correct title?) has kicked his ass in the last two duathlons i remember seeing RRs from, and hhas not thrown down stunning times in either.

Just fuel for the fire.

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i was just a tick behind a guy who did 2:13 at the austin triathlon last year at that duathlon newbz

im not sure how you would know what a stunning time is at the e-rock du. its a bit odd ;)

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haha, but i can do everything to fuel this raging debate;-)

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I'm pretty sure I could break 2:35 like, tomorrow morning
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instead of debate

join me at The Rookie Triathlon

just a quick sprint to see where I'm at

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barryp is great when it comes to running, but he fits the angry, christian hating, atheist profile too well.

Ahh, what?

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Well Jack, I'm rooting for you to get it done. Just figure out something for that run because you're putting an awful lot of pressure on your swim & bike it would seem.

the pressure is everywhere! im so fucked. if I do this it will be at the expense of many, many ST posts.

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get me down there and i'll do it.

i have my first coming up on the 17th though so i should be good;-)

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Jack- I'm going to be in San Antonio from 13-26 June. Any races, even short stuff then in SA or Austin? I'll enter and we'll race. IIRC, you're a tall skinny guy. I'm short and stocky- we'll call it spaghetti vs meatball.

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I am in for $30 on the over 2:20:00

I don't think Jackmott realizes just how hard a sub 2:10 result is.


Jackmott, if you fail how about you don't post on ST for 1 month. That would be equal to DD's wager he had on no caffeine for a month

I will put 20 bucks down saying that even if he dosent break 2:10, he will end up with a kick ass PR anyhow.

That would be equal to DD's wager he had on no caffeine for a month
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You have no idea how much caffeine I consumed back then. There was no drug I could get my hands on, and I got my hands on a lot of drugs, that dulled the headache that I had for the first 5 days.

Maybe if he stopped posting for 3 months. Maybe, and his gf kicked him in the nuts every morning.

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how about no alcohol and no caffeine for a month.....

.....I couldnt do it.

I have gone consecutive months before with no alcohol, but could not give up caffeine right now. Love coffee and espresso way too much, and the occasional red bull.

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months without alcohol......DUDE.....what did you do to entertain yourself??? :)

barryp is great when it comes to running, but he fits the angry, christian hating, atheist profile too well.

I didn't know they let LR posts in over here...

~Matt

Where do BarryP, wiffcheese, vitus979 and last tri in 83 post? I know Barry P adds a lot to running threads, but, otherwise, I don't see many other posts.

LR threads are typically much faster paced than the ones here. Imagine a daily barrage of 650 vs 700c and Power cranks vs regular cranks type threads. You can get 10-15 posts in a matter of minutes in the LR.

Do I need to meander over to the lavendor room?

If you have thick skin :-) Otherwise I recommend not doing so.

~Matt

I gave up alcohol for 8 months once (while my wife was pregnant). Not impossible. Not fun either. Had a bottle in hand ready to open minutes after my daughter was born.

Then I was the only one having a beer at 7am the next morning at the bar across from the hospital. Odd.

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awesome!!! love it!!!

I have gone for long spells without the sauce as well, I agree 100%...not impossible.....not fun.

how about no alcohol and no caffeine for a month.....

.....I couldnt do it.

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Hey, don't be a douche bag. Your statement is both A) incorrect and B) inappropriate for this forum. If you have some personal grievences to air out, I'll be happy to get my PWN on in the LR. Until then, make sure you double knot your shoes and get out and run every day.

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Hey, don't be a douche bag. Your statement is both A) incorrect

You must mean the part about the running because the rest seems to fit....I kid I kid...

B) inappropriate for this forum.

Agreed. But he's prolly skeered to enter the abyss :-)

~Matt

the big day is getting closer

 
Only 2 more months Jackmott! Are you going to start training?

Only 5 days till the race Jack. Are you ready to do it?

I checked and he is not registered best I could tell
as of last nite and registration was still open

What were the results?

Jack stated in another thread that he decided not to do the race.

couldn't do the race and wouldn't have been able to go sub 2:10 anyway.

for Mott's best effort this year, see my results at the Small Texan Triathlon. Very happy with that race!

and I appreciate the challenge, and sorry I couldn't provide the proper closure to it. It did make me train harder this year and I had some great results because of it.

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Coward! ;-)

You got married to a very cute gal, I know what you have been up to dude. Good for you. Cardiovascular exercise can take MANY forms.

I would have had some respect for you if you had at last tried and didn't get the time. Even if it was a 3:09:59

Instead you didn't even try. You had 6 months.

You didn't train for it plain and simple. You failed.

You did raise your avg/posts per day though over the 6 months (which is what I predicted you had a better chance of doing). You would have to post close to 20/day to raise you average. I guess we know where all the training time went.

and you are surprised by this??? I like Jack and all but for all the BS he posts and can't even break an hour for 40k stand alone.....hmmmmm.......

 

99% of the stuff he posts is bullsh*t

This whole challenge started when Jackmott tried to tell Big Matty Reed how to train. I mean WTF? Some BOP AG'r trying to tell a world class athlete how to train.

I know, its pretty funny. For the record, I think he could do it....he just dosen't I broke 40k several time on just a roadbike with a clip on so I know that he could do it too if he actually put in some huge miles.

Bit harsh really.

Also, to say ALL his posts are bullshit is a little much - he has some good aero advice for people.

As well Ironwolf, he came pretty damn close to breaking 1 hour for the 40 km TT, which is more than many can do and something I want to do next year.

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"Chrissie wins because she trains really f'ing hard and races really f'ing hard and was blessed with a huge f'ing motor" Jordan Rapp

Good luck, you can do it!!! let JAck mott be an example of how NOT to do it.....if he spent as much time riding as he does applying electrical tape to his rig and tweaking his setup and reading all the bs, he probably would have done it.

Last two posts (before the last two posts) are completely out of line. He doesn't post BS, nor does he claim to post original ideas. Jack is an excellent cataloger and regurgitator of useful information. I use and endorse him as my sole resource for equipment decisions. ;>)

As to the Matty Reed sentence, Jack is squarely MOP IMO, and Matty is indeed world class, but Mott could still teach him a thing or two about bike positioning and equipment selection.

Granted Jack catalogs and repeats what the others preach, but he fills a much needed role here. I would sooner throw out your "bullsh*t stamp" on those who ask the same basic questions incessantly with zero use of the search function. If you're sick of him posting so much, then help the man out once in a while.

Same message, but you said it much better.

Well done Dave.

Side note, since you used more words than me, which meant it took longer to type, you now have to edit and say "the last two posts before the last two posts"...

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"Chrissie wins because she trains really f'ing hard and races really f'ing hard and was blessed with a huge f'ing motor" Jordan Rapp

Hey, I said he CAN do it.....but he didnt....so.....


Like I said, I like Jack, BUT I see a guy talk the talk but cant hit his own "gold" standard (sub 1hr in his case). I broke 1 hour several times, on a round tubed steel bike before I was even registered or knew what slowtwitch was...I just rode hard lots.

I think that for somebody trying to hit the pinnacle, all the aero stuff is great, but jack seems to have missed the part about getting ood before worrying about what it takes to be great...

It's always very easy to tout the work you have put in when discussions of your great results come up. What is not usually discussed is the difference between a VO2 max of 52 and 72 ml/kg/min. Point being, I have no doubt it would be possible to both perform the training to hit close to your potential while also posting on ST to your hearts content. But in this case.....huh...wait a sec.........what the hell was that!!!! OH SHIT SOMEONE IS PRYING AT YOUR KITCHEN WINDOW IRONWOLF!!!! SCREW THIS CONVERSATION.... I THINK YOU NEED TO POP A CAP IN SOMEONES ASS!!!!! GO SOLDIER, MOVE, MOVE, MOVE!!!!!!

dude.....I have mines in my yard....nobody can get to my window....not even me.....

Thanks for taking the joke as a joke. You ok mostly.

Now...



Jackmott rules!!! Go eff yourself!

This has to be a joke right?

Question: do you only trust people who are faster than you for advice? The sporting world is rife with examples counter to this mentality.

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In this case I will go with the guy who is a Pro Triathlete, US National Team, 2008 Olympian.

But you would pick some MOP AG'r on ST?

Jack, since Dave Luscan and DHeineck think you are such an areo guru, why don't you give us 3 points where Matt Reed can improve his bike position?

Hah. I'd contend this point that you are suggesting--I haven't nor will say that JackMott has a better idea on aerodynamics than Mr. Reed. Hell, I don't spend all that much time on here--yeah, I understand Mr. Mott is pretty prolific poster, but also seems fairly good at sorting out the wheat from the chaff.

My point is solely contained in the question I asked, which I left deliberately generic. Your use of hyperbole and vitriol are woefully unnecessary. Might I suggest taking a chill pill?

Let me ask you a more poignant question: did Jack piss in your Wheaties? What is your freaking agenda?

The latter part of this thread speaks much more about who you are than Jack's inability or unwillingness to give an olympic full stick and crack 2:10.

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The question of who is right and who is wrong has seemed to me always too small to be worth a moment's thought, while the question of what is right and what is wrong has seemed all-important.

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I will take the position and equipment approach for this one. Keep a couple things in mind. I am a big fan of Mr. Reed. I think he is an awesome athlete and it is great that he posts here from time to time when knuckleheads like me try to 'tear him down'. Also keep in mind that his position has been the topic of discussion before, I think more than once. I am not the only guy who think his position is a bit wacked.

The argument is something like "Who the hell are you?" or "It works for him!" Sure, sure, of course it does. The question is would something else work better?

On to your challenge.
1. By far the largest issue is the down angle to his arms. (positional issue and aero concern. The man is all "scoop")
2. Straw length (equipment)
3. Vents on helmet (maybe it was hot?) (equipment)
4. Round bottle on downtube (equipment)
5. Head could be lower (positional)

These are small things that are easy to spot from the first pic I found of him doing a quick search. Perhaps in the end, none of these things would need to be modified. He is however giving up speed from some of them. Whether there is a good trade off for him in other areas would be the question. But if you think pros or Olympians or world champions are doing everything right, or if you think someone slower than you can't offer good advice, you are not using all the resources at your disposal. Jack is a great resource.

 

You should stay by your phone, probably a flood of pro's are going call you and Jack for advice....

I prefer to coach age groupers. They are generally more open to trying new things, as they know they don't know everything. Kinda like me.

Pros are usually more set in their ways, they tend to think that whatever they were doing to get them where they are is the only way to go about things. Kinda like you.

By all means keep this thread alive though. It's been great fun so far.

XCSnail I want you to know that even though I failed to go sub 2:10 I did set a new PR at the local 8 mile TT

I'm up to 26.8 mph compared to 25.9mph last year.

appreciate all your hard work.

If Matty Reed asked I would get him to trim that straw down a bit. Other than that i don't have enough context to suggest anything else.

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Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
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Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter

So Jackmott, after a pretty huge failure last season in reaching a sub 2:09:59 are you willing to give it another go?

You can pick any Olympic distance race anywhere in the world for 2011. I will even let you choose a draft legal race.

Last year was a DNS, anything you do this year will be an improvement on that

I'll probably do a couple olys this year, so you can feel free to count any of them towards the challenge.

here is my most recent race result, which we can use to set the odds:

http://www.cadencesportsonline.com/pdf/366_overall.pdf

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Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
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Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter

I am going to give you 1-4 odds based on that race.

If we do an over/under bet I will bet that your best race will be 6 min over

That run course long? Seems like slow runs vs. the bike splits.

I'm not a professional d*ck like you but as an AG d*ck I could certainly give you some pointers on how to become a bigger one.

I don't know, my friend who won thinks it was, as he is usually faster than that. 2nd place guy thought it was long too.

but I didn't use a gps or anything.

the bike course could also be short of course =) though my powertap is in agreement with their timing and speed.

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Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
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Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter

that sound about right on

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Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
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Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter

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If you actually try and get something like a 2:12-2:16 I will give you some respect for trying

Tiny men, with tiny minds, (and often tiny... well, you get my drift), issue challenges in places where there are no repercussions for their actions. case and point- this forum. you have challenged this "jackmott" to compete in a race, hoping for him to fail, in order to cast him in ill fitting light. there are several outcomes to this situation, none of which put you in a bad light.
1) He tries, and fails. you are right, and to the victor go the spoils.
2) he tries, and succeeds. You can play the "classy loser" card, and say you were glad to be humbled.
3) he does not finish, or does not compete, for a modicum of reasons. same outcome as #1.

So you win. everyone forgot this post, and jackmott carried on, slightly bothered, perhaps, but no more bothered than say, if he had to wash his hands of some slime.

Now, you have done the unthinkable- you have actually accepted your place as the hated poster on this thread, and have created a personal vendetta to embarrass and repudiate several posters on this forum, including, but not limited to, jackmott. You are now in the position you created for them!

I have to ask- What is your purpose here? It is now not self serving, as you have trapped yourself in your own trail while trying to discredit jackmott. So what is it?

Interestingly enough, Mr. Jackmott still manages to go about his posting, seemingly responding to yours as one responds to a garden snail- merely cognizant to your existence.

They have small blue pills for your disfunction, sir. instead of brutally beating down imaginary people on superficial forums, find these pills, and some internet porn, and leave us be.

I understand that this post may offend you, and your retaliation is welcome. I'll be here. With salt.

Flame war extinguished? Seriously, I've been privy to my fair share of BBS battles, and, in addition to the thread defying Godwin's law, your slap down is further evidence of what a douche this guy is.

Being a snarky prick is all well and good (and I have years of internet and real-life experience playing the occasional part), but only if you're funny and not clearly compensating for something. There's a line in the sand between a good old-fashioned internet call-out and showing that you're a twat.

My old swim coach never went faster than 4.40 for 400 free when he was a swimmer, but coached a couple of guys to become Olympians. Being fast doesn't mean you know everything, and vice versa.

Jack has helped me out big time, and for that I thank him.

i have no idea who xcsnail is. does he just talk alot or is he any good?

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He just talks a lot and is not very good at all....

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Which makes him fit right in here on ST...;-)

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he says he is a pro, but I don't know which one.

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Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
Aeroweenie.com -Compendium of Aero Data and Knowledge
Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter

fair enough. at least most of the other people that talk shit have their real names in their profiles. oh well, maybe i'm just bored this morning.

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Line of the week.

This thread is hilarious, classic ST.

haha i saw this episode of Its Always Sunny a few weeks ago- no one likes salting the snail, but it's gotta be done.

If you want to hand me up some electrolytes that would be great!!

I am going to put "Salt the Snail" on my bars to remind myself to take my endurolytes next race. Salt makes this snail faster ;)

he's been nominated for "line of the week." i add a nomination for "linked video of the week."

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Lighten up dude.

If Jack refuses to comlete an Olympic Distance Triathlon in less than 2:09:59, I will do so in his stead.

The key here is a sub 55 bike split, which is no sweat off of my balls, but might be difficult for Jack.

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yes, I can guarantee ball sweat if I do a 55min bike split

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Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
Aeroweenie.com -Compendium of Aero Data and Knowledge
Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter

Line of the week there.

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Dude, please explain the 2:37 and the 59 minute run.

You only need to shave off 27 min off that run and you are golden, bit of track work will help

http://lonestartiming.com/...5=&search=Search

hasn't there been 2 threads on that race this week? so jack had a bad run. go crawl back under you're rock.

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So it's only fair to ask: where are your race results?