I certainly will not be anywhere close... but I would like to know more about these slightly used speedos? What were they used for? Are they available for purchase?

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Now that I know some of you guys look through the special needs bags for kicks, I'm gonna put some really weird stuff in mine. I can see it now. "What the heck was he going to do with a family pack of KFC chicken, a football helmet full of peanut butter, a 12 inch rubber dildo, and naked pictures of Bea Arthur?"

Judging by your screen name, I don't think they're for you. They have no room in front. You can't even stuff a sock in there.

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I'm in...let's update this thread at the end of each week.

Sweet. No injury now, you hear?

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I'm aiming for at least this much running in november but I am not so sure about the "prizes"...

Can I claim to be a woman to win a xmas present for the little lady? :)

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

I'm aiming at 80-100-120-80 for November with lots of double runs....that should keep me safe...it did in 06.

FM.2.0 will probaby run 200m per WEEK during that time.

I think anybody else not named Dean K will hafta forfeit that lovely prize package to Captain Shorttwitch now, and avoid the Black Friday rush ;-)

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Sure. Let's see a pic of said lady first. We don't want to call you a liar.

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yes...200 meters

seriously...400mi for the month would be great

I'd like to see you pull that off. That's a lot of running, especially from the perspective of a 25-35 mi/week guy like me.

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Com'on, you know you want the speedo.

Plus you can't let Francois get away with his bluff.

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If I win i'll post a pic to prove she exists. She gets through hundreds of swimsuits a year (or so it seems).

Doubt I'll win anyway as I can't be the only person marathon training right now.

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

being as I am staying off the bike for Nov. and Dec. just to focus on the run, I am in. My plans are to start slow tho. so I will have to run a bit more than I thought...count me in. IN I say.

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" November has 5 weeks, so that's 40 mi/week. Here are the rules:"

What calendar are you looking at? Nov has 30 days....always has...well in recent history. You know "30 days has November...."

So thats 4 weeks and 2 days. Where did you get the extra 5 days? In order for me to hit 200 miles I'd have to average 6.6666 miles a day, I don't think that's gonna happen.

~Matt

The "M" in "Matt" must stand for "M-e-o-w".

I don't know what my point was, I think I just wanted to taunt someone with the old "m-e-o-w" call.

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double runs

Are you calling me a pussy?

Fine!

But at least I know that November only has 4 weeks.

On the brightside all I'd have to do is run a marathon twice a week for the next four weeks and I'd be in....

~Matt

Ok I'll play, I'm already behind didn't run today.

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Are you calling me a pussy?

Maybe?

Really, I just like making the *meow* sound to people.

I'm not down for a 250-mil run month either.

Join the 1K mile November Bike Month club. Taint nuthin' to it, but ta do it.

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FYI: 200 miles for a Feynman book is a steal...I'm in.

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Shouldn't a challenge be challenging? ;-)

3 miles today...uh oh, behind already.

I'm in, not sure it is a good idea 2 weeks post marathon though.

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I would be in if it was the 300mi month... 40mi/week is pretty tame... oh yeah, I'm just running now :-D

ok, I'll try.
this would be a good motivator for me to up my milage, and run MORE.

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Good point MJuric, November has only 4 weeks and 2 days, not 5 weeks. I took liberties with the calendar and added 5 days to fill out Sunday-Saturday weeks. I agree, 5 days is a lot to add to a month.

Now the 200 mi challenge is a lot closer to 50 mi/week for 4 weeks. Yikes! I think I'm going to get a sex change operation and join you in womanhood. No way we can run that kind of mileage now - we're still in the 30's.

I'm going to maintain this thread and watch the big boyz and girlz duke it out.

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I'll give it a try.

Current weekly milage. 10. maybe.

Took my first tumble of the year on the bike today so I wont be able to hold the bars for at least a week. My shit is KILLING me right now. Guess I'll have to run instead.

200 miles for Nov - easy :)

Well, not easy, but I'll hit that - can I just have my prize/accolades now :)

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This is a great idea if you carry it out over three months. You must avg 200 miles per month, and you must hit 200 miles in each month in order to win those awesome prizes. One 200 mile month won't mean sh*t come race season especially if done now.

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6 miles a day .. i can do it with extra maby....

I'm in. Please no swearing.

I'm in. Currently at zero at the moment, however..............

;-)

Agree with Desert Dude, but it's not his challenge.

Count me in. I was planning on hitting 1000 km. over 8 weeks, anyway.

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The answer to "1984" is 1776.

What if we start at 120-140/week and work up to 200 over 3 months?

~Matt

3.33333 miles a run...14 of them a week? I'm Sooooo in!

~Matt

Agreed, but mileage-starved folks have to start somewhere. Perhaps you could issue that 3-month challenge and propose the prize. Ever since this challenge business mushroomed yesterday, I haven't stopped thinking about it. If a goofy challenge can motivate some folks, we've done some good.

All the challenges so far have targeted the mileage monsters and may intimidate the BOP slackers like me. But there are other ways target those folks as well. I can see a mileage challenge for 0-35 mi/week runners, a 5K challenge for 20-21 minute runners, etc.

And I think the prize giving business is just great. I remember Scott Molina giving away his old race T-shirts at one of the club races, or Collins crafting the nut-head trophies for the inaugural Ironman. That's the spirit.

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After 206 in August, 207 in September and 205 last month I think I'm done with the 200+ for awhile .......

Welcome myself to taper town next week!!

Have fun everyone ..... I've totally forgotten what a pool is and my tires are flat on all my bikes from sitting for months while I ran ......

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Never mind, I'll never make it.

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I'm in...

Did you see...

http://www.greattreadmillandrunningchallenge.com/site/index.php

Slowtwitch challenge anyone?

~Matt

shooting for
80-100-120-80-90-110-130-50-120-140-140-50-?-?

over the next 3 months...does this meet your requirements? with 3 swims a week and no cycling.

the aim is to become a (triathlete) runner

Are we posting mileage here?

If so I'm not going to be the first one to embarass themselves.

~Matt

Do treadmill miles count in the overall total? If so, I'm in!

Sure, post it and I'll update the OP. Let's do Wed to Tues.

Seeing how you and I have our hands full at 30ish mpw, it is pretty laughable to think that we'll jump up to 50 and stay there for 4 weeks. It's all in the execution I guess.

For me any intensity goes against my ability to put away the miles. Saturday's 5K cooked me enough that I didn't do a long run on Sunday. I have to guard against racing too much or running the workouts too hard.

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Alright fine...I wussed out at 31mi's this week.

~Matt

I've got 32 in the first 6 days... however i think if i went for 200 el coacho would kill me :)



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got 13 on wed, 18 on thursday, 12 on friday. no running sat/sun for sinusitis.
So 'week' 1 = 43mi albeit, in 3 days.

I've got 25 since 11/1. Today off; 15 tomorrow to stay on track.

i've got 40 as of today.

37

38 as of this morning.

You, kdw, and txvet have got Francois by the balls. DO NOT, under any circumtance, let that man go!

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hang on now...what's with the hatred? ;-)
got 6.5mi this am and 9mi at lunch time.
58.5mi as of now.

"9mi at lunch time."

Geez, how long of a lunch do you get?

~Matt

as much as I want as long as I do 60-70hrs a week at work...no matter when

I had a migraine last week and didn't run as much as I wanted. Look out this week!

My boss is a complete ass...oh wait that'd be me....never mind...

~Matt

"Geez, how long of a lunch do you get? "

lol, today I got an 11 mile lunch, 15 on Wednesday...

FM, 60-70 hrs a week? Dang...

life pre tenure sucks sometimes...

So a little bronchitis took me down a notch as well as last week being a recovery week from my 1st run block. Managed 17 in 3 runs, but should be back on track now for 205-215. Barring catastrophe.

And I thought triathletes didn't run enough! What kind of times are you looking to run with mileage like that?

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2.04.54 off the bike. More seriously, it's starting well.
As of today, for this week, I have 22.5mi+21+22mi (one triple run, 2 double runs, maybe one more tonight).

mcaizzo, you hafta remember who yer talking to here. This is the famous author of the "stupidity in training is a 6hr/2hr brick" tagline.

FM is the poster boy for more is MORE. When he's not injured. Which he's not now, so I can't wait to see it when he unleashes all of this on his next race.



FM, yer really gonna do zero biking for the next few months? Wow, that's a leap of faith I don't think I could make. I need to ride at least a little so I feel like I don't lose too much bike fitness.

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the bike is collecting dust indeed...haven't been on it for a while (besides a 2h ride a few days ago)...So 2h ride in 5 weeks.
Besides, with all the running, I don't have much legs left for cycling anyway. It will go on like that for a while...but I'm rethinking mid december and thereafter and adding a bit of cycling. I don't think the 130mi+ run weeks will happen...If I stick to 120mi for now and then drop back to 80-100 when I get back on the bike and swim, it will be plenty. Then balanced again in january.

I guess for you it's ok - even if yer FT wattage drops by 20% during this hiatus, it still starts with a 3.

;-)

Good luck, stay healthy!!!!

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I only got 28 so far but will add 6 tonight and 6 tomorrow.
Plus a big weekend is ahead. :-)


Herbert

I'm on track and will PM you the numbers later (my log is at home and I'm "working" right now). FM's gonna beat me by a bunch though. Thanksgiving is going to be the tough bit as I have to visit the inlaws in the frozen watelands of maryland and I haven't run in that kind of cold in years. Brrrr.

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

You went out and ran a seperate .5 mile run just so you'd be ahead of me didn't you? This thing is rigged!

~Matt

Shush. I need to recover from that 800 yd jog in peace.

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for the week? or since early Nov?

I counted the week starting Nov 1: and I'm already behind with only 39 miles this week! I'll make it up though :) Did a nice 40 mile ride sunday, but then cut the run short to 4 miles :(

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Don't worry. Maybe I'll rename the thread, 'how fast can you get a stress fracture' soon... ;-)

week 1 mileage PMed to Bottomfeeder, just on target with 47.5

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Forgot i ran twice yesterday, make that 52.5

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

I would also like to suggest that we multiply mileage by weight. I think that would put me in with a great chance...

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Never 'gonna happen - FM2.0 would definitely need to run a lot then :)

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Rats! I am using this as an excuse to dump some weight anyway :)

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

[reply]for the week? or since early Nov?[/reply]

It is called November challenge, so yes it is since the first day of November. :-)

But I am still only at 28 because I ended up not running last night because I have a slight cold or allergy.

Herbert

Litespeed / Quintana Roo

I'm at 32 since Nov 1...

Hey that's exactly why I'm running this regularly. So far lots of fitness gained but not a pound lost. :-)

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we are NOT multiplying by weight! certainly not! geee...

Awww...go on, go on, go on. Have to find some way to beat the skinny midgets :)

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

This is not a "Whose Ass Jiggles the Most While They Run" or "Who Can Put Away the Most Food After a 30-Min Run" challenge! :-)

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Do miles you run in a race count or is this only for training purposes?

Hurumph!

I'm running 50+ miles a week, still riding (but only recovery pace) and doing some swim maintenance and am managing not to eat much and the weight still isn't changing much grumble grumble. I wouldn't even do well in the "Who Can Put Away the Most Food After a 30-Min Run" challenge. How heavy is leg hair? Perhaps now it's growing back it's cancelling the weight loss :)

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

I'm not a midget...I'll concede on skinny right now...

All miles ran should count, although I think FM is counting going out to the end of his driveway to pick up the paper in the morning as a 6.5 mile run...

Damn! He has a long driveway. Does he do that in slippers and a robe? That should count for extra, I'd definately have blisters and chaffing issues.

~Matt

Hmm...now if I could include my 2.5 miles daily walk (that's a slow type of run right?)

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

I think he has those 1-pc footie pajamas with the bunny rabbits on the feet. Very fast, very aero. And the sizing is perfect. ;-)

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They might be too big. He did say he is doing a lot of barefoot running. It would also be a good way to get motivation during strides...the neighboorhood dogs see a bunny hopping down the street, they are bound to give chase.

You bugger off, bunch of wankers! ;-)
my driveway is about 10yds...I guarantee you that you need very motivated to run 6.5mi on a 10yds driveway, dressed up as a bunny

Are you british? Americans don't use the w@nker word in my experience :)

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Mate, you managed to call me a midget and a brit the same day! How far will the insult go? what's next? French?

Are you a team in training person? :)

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Shut up! your seat is too high.

anyway...today 18mi this am...no run tonight. Legs are a bit toast right now.
So, 83.5mi for this week so far. More than planned. With tomorrow as 6+6, all easy, saturday 20+5 and sunday 12mi, I'll hit 120mi normally.

Antipodean of some description? Seat was too high for half the season but it did get lowered.

How's your bento box?

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

bloody seppo ;-)

Me? Nah, I'm a pom.

Off for a run :)

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Nobody's perfect ;-)

I'll be damned if that's not some crazy Karno-esque mileage. I don't know whether to be inspired or afraid.

I'll bet you drive to the 7-11 down the street to pick up the newspaper, don't you?

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"I'll bet you drive to the 7-11 down the street to pick up the newspaper, don't you?"

He's probably the dude at the "Y" that drives around the lot for 30 minutes trying to get a spot 10 feet closer too.

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No kiddin' (said with a Minnesota accent).

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He'll probably be extra motivated after I upset him yesterday. If we get him even more wound up he might overdo it, blow up and then not win :)

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

You planning to keep up with him, Lazy Ben? We'd love to see a rivalry.

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" You bugger off, bunch of wankers! ;-)"

I have to ask, if you said that in real life would it be with a French accent, that would be way funny.

~Matt

Keep up with a 120 mile week? If I'm allowed to include bike mileage maybe :) I don't think I've ever run more than qround 50 miles a week and my current mileage is a big step up from the 30 or so I was doing per week during race season. FM2.0's gonna win this one easily unless he hurts himself. Zut alors!

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Nah, that'd be an aussie accent...I keep the french accent to say ' putain mais vous etes cons vous tous, bordel!'

8mi this am instead of 6...still injury free ;-)

I don't get the newspapers at 7-11 and no, I don't drive everywhere...I'm still part euro... ;-)

Encouler! Stop running so d@mn much!

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

8mi and 6mi on friday, 12mi and 6mi today (yes...less than planned in the am)
115.5mi so far...I can run 4.5mi tomorrow and hit 120 :-)

Madness!

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

It's Monday, cough up the numbers.

Week 1 - 31
Week 2 - 37

Total 68

~Matt

I thought we were doing weds-tues weeks as nov started on a weds?

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Could be. I just figured regular week with the first being short and the last being short.

I did Wed-Sunday and then Mon-Sun, this week.

~Matt

Week 1 (Wed-Sun): 36

Week 2: 52

Total Through 11/12: 86

Wed-Sat 14 miles

Sun-Sat 57 miles

total 71 miles

should hit 60 this week

Yeah, started 11/1, so 2 more days of the 2nd week, right?

I'm a little light this week since Sunday was a 5K race instead of along run - but speed is good :)

Re-post on Wed?

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Week 1 (from wed inc. 2 days with no running for sinus infection): 43mi

Week 2: 125.5mi

so 168.5mi of running for November.

ben, kdw...so??

Week 1 weds - tues 52.5

Week 2 weds - sun 38.5

Total 91 to sun. Think I'm still on target.

I think bottomfeeder is totalling weds-tues weeks so i'll repost on weds with the full week 2 numbers.

FM, what are you running from???

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Running away from DNFs

I'm at 91 thru the 13th, should pass 100 tomorrow. FM, you are a modern day Ulysses, standing on the bow of your ship shaking your fist at the Great God of Injuries.

145 miles of biking so far as well.

I'm half french half aussie, so I'm not shaking my fist at the Great God of Injuries, one hand is waving a white flag and the other is flipping the finger ;-)

52.5 for week 2 through tuesday.

That makes 105 total. Hey, I'm consistent :)

Thsi week is supposed to be slightly reduced mileage and I'm trying to figure out how the hell I'm going to run whilst travelling for thanksgiving so my consistency is under threat going forwards. Grrrr!

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Forest Gump Wannabes,

Cough up yer numbers for November's 2nd week (Wed 11/8 to Tues 11/14).

There was some confusion earlier this week on what constitutes a running week. It's Wednesday to Tuesday. So folks who gave me their numbers from Monday to Sunday or whatever, could you PM me with your updated numbers?

Also if I've got your first week wrong, please feel free to correct me.

Thanks

(I sucked ass last week: 26 mi. All I'm doing is running, and I can't even break the 30 mi barrier. That's pathetic.)

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First week 11/1 thru 11/7 - 31.
Second week 11/8 thru 11/14 - 37

Total 68, must be running some sort of pattern as it's the same result no matter what day I start and end on...

~Matt

Sweet. Thanks Matt. Did you dedicate yesterday's run to ST? Soreness is only a state of mind! :-)

(hey I'm composing a letter to you as we speak, so I haven't forgotten about our buddy system.)

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"Did you dedicate yesterday's run to ST?"

Yeh all the swearing and everything...Sick sadistic bastards...

~Matt

OK, 41 miles 2nd week (these 5K races are killing my mileage totals, but LOTS of speed this week)

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Saw your 17:4x. Sorry I didn't congratulate you earlier. Your fitness could be worse, you know?

I agree with you though, racing DOES tend to hurt running mileage. Mebbe that's why they tell you not to race so much during base training.

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123mi from wednesday to tuesday

This was supposed to be a challenge! Sheesh.

You have to do next week running backwards :)

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

I think he said he **biked** 123 mi. It wouldn't make sense otherwise...

Hey y'all, I have to wait until Dan fixes the Advanced Editor before I can post the updates.

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He obviously meant kilometers...or maybe fathoms.

funny to see the November running challenge thread right under the Eggnog thread.

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[reply]He obviously meant kilometers...or maybe fathoms.[/reply]

Nope - I'm telling 'ya. MILES. I'm sure Francois will chime in shortly :)

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If he can still walk to his computer :)

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Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

sorry...just came back from...running :-) (Seriously)...
123mi running indeed...miles...not kms...I was shooting for 200km (124mi) from monday to sunday last week...
did 203km...but from wed to tuesday, I'm just under the 200km...bummer...

So I'm running my 30 mi weeks, and it's not a piece of cake. I have ups and downs in energy level, motivation level, etc. From where I am I can't see running the mileage that you do.

My question to you is: how do you manage your up and down swings? What do you do when you feel like crap? Do you force yourself out the door? I would think a certain level of pig-headedness is critical in racking up the miles, no?

I just want to run more consistently, but I find that consistency is hard to achieve.

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Well, today I felt tired and my legs were heavy but I still wanted to go for 13mi...nice day, sunny (like every other day here)...
so I just run with no watch, focus on being light on my feet and ignore the pace...if it's 8min/min, so be it, it's the pace for today, if it's 6min/mi, good...I really try to focus on sensations, specially on days where I'm tired.

Motivation? rarely an issue...I really love training.

49 for November's second week

He's half-french and half-australian, I think that guarantees more than a certain level of pig-headedness :)

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Ok just an update as I am back on track after a long run today.

Was at 71 thru Sat.

Sun 10
Mon 10
Tue 5
Wed 20

Total 116

Goal 17:20 5k on Dec 31st
Best was 19:09 when beginning run focus last week in September.

Ran 18:47, 18:02 since then.

Good luck and you can do it!

Soul

Coming from a Pom, I take that as a compliment!

Hell, I wish I could run that much. I'm a bit bigger than you though.

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

I had the occasion to run with two kenyans at our uni here a few times...I tell you,
I feel huge next to them. bloody toothpicks.

Roof...don't let 5K's kill your mileage totals in a base period...if that's what you're in.

Warm up: 3-4 miles very easy. Some strides and drills. Water.

Race 3.1 miles.

Cool Down 4-5 miles.

If mileage is your focus during November...

Just updated the second week's data (nowhere near inclusive of course). Guys and gals who want to be included, please feel free to PM me your stats. No rush.

Soulswimmer, I gave you 96 mi up to Tues 14. I didn't include your 20 miler on Wed 15 which will go toward the 3rd week.

Looks like any of 3 or 4 runners can claim second place. Lemme toss in a prize for second place to spur on the competition: Michael Pollan's book "The Omnivore's Dilemma". Great book - you'll never look at foods from the supermarket the same way after you've read it (especially meats, eeeek).

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I was only 43 for week 1, so as of Tuesday was at 102.

I don't wanna come second if it means you'll put me off eating meat. I'm changing my focus to sitting on my ass and eating candy :)

I think I'll be a little over 200 for the month but a few other folks will be well over that. FM2.0 would be half way across the country by that point if he did all his running in a straight line.

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

You need to read about how industry raises the chickens, the cows, and the salmon. Let's just say that your health is not their first concern! :-)

Lazy Ben, you need to nail second place just so you can get this book.

As for FM.2.0, I wouldn't be surprised if he's pushing a food cart on his runs, a la Dean Karnazes. Sheesh.

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I read Fast Food Nation way back and that was enough to stop me eating most obviously processed meat. I haven't been to a McDonalds or similar since. I still go to In N Out sometimes though, mmmmm.....

I think thanksgiving is going to hamper me a bit, I think I'll still hit the 200 but won't have the chance to get extra miles in with the travel and cold.

I think FM.2.0 has a runup then jumps in the cart...

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

I'm carefullly constructing my Thanksgiving running schedule to produce maximum hunger at 3 PM on T-Day. I sort of have a rep to live up to, and if I don't eat as much as the rest of the family combined they will be disappointed.

Francois -

Have you noticed a big improvement in your run performance as a result of this increbibly high mileage? I'm curious where people find improvement plateaus with increased mileage.

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I wish people would leave Francois alone. He's got some running to do.

I'd say with 120+ mi/week... 23:00 5K tops.

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Right, he better be in the 16's with that kind of mileage. I'm in the 17's with half that mileage.

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Keep in mind that he has a short stride. :-)

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Right now, I don't really care. I just run a lot. Focusing on technique, and running a lot, including some
barefoot running, some plyo work. Nothing else. I want to see improvements when it counts and the miles now
will help for later.
Next 4 days I'm in Santa Fe so will run less as at 7000+ ft it's a lot harder.
Improvements take time...

That's a long way up for a shortass :)

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Right now, I am a lot taller than you so shut up ;-)

Here's my numbers - just to make everyone feel better:

Week 1 - 26 miles
Week 2 - 32 miles

And this is me really trying to "turn it up a notch"!!

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To keep your balance you must keep moving.
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Use the 4 days ahead to catch me mate...this am was 1h20 at 7200 to 7400ft and the pace was slooooooow....
just below 7.25/mi...this is really high.

"this am was 1h20 at 7200 to 7400ft and the pace was slooooooow....just below 7.25/mi.."

Alex, I'll take "Phrases that get you an automatic membership at letsrun.com" for $1000 please...

The real question in this thread is will FM ever find his inner Kenyan?

Er, my race pace during olympic distance tris was barely faster than that this year :) Aiming to be much faster next season.

I'm putting the slow into long slow distance at the moment. I'm also on a slightly reduced mileage week but that may not show on the weds-tues week as I'll pick it up again next week.

Sorry, if you want a real challenge try running backwards or converting those Midget Miles TM to proper miles :)

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

I have...It was slow, but it was fun nonetheless...Beautiful scenery, lots of fun, just more laboured breathing...
The inner kenyan is easy to find...it's the outer one that's harder...the one running 4.30/mi ;-)

I haven't used the midget mile option on gmap-pedometer.com

All non-GPS certified miles are invalid. Return to square 1.

You'd still bloody win anyway!

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

OK...I've reached 200mi already...can I stop running now? :D

I hope you haven't done more than 200, it is the closest to 200 without going over. N ice job.

At what event are you planning on unveiling your newfound inner Kenyan?

There's still time to go over to the Swim 100K Thread and clean up...

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over 200mi...will be way over this evening...
the 100k swim? nah...there are some animals there!

Yup, you can sit and eat cake and cookies all day for the rest of the off-season and you'll still be golden for your first race next year.

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Good news for you boys...No running monday and tuesday...food poisoning!! (argh)...
bad news...I'm even lighter now ;-)

This is exactly the opening that I need to start ramping up and catch you by month's end.

(I hope you recover fast though...)

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I sure don't feel like running right now...and yet, it's a lot better than yesterday...can't believe I got food poisoned at a french restaurant! Goddamn cheese eating surrender monkeys, white flag wavers, dirty weasels!

Can't handle the camembert anymore, eh?

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I have a copout too :- I had to take Saturday off as I must have hurt something during my barefoot run on the beach Friday. Was walking to dinner afterwards when I got a pain and could suddenly hardly walk.

Was able to get my long run in on Sunday after rest and ice so if I can get my afternoon run in today I'll (just) be on target for the week.

You've already won this challenge. Being a bulimic midget is an unfair advantage! Also I'm running against the added air resistance at sea level which is hard work and slows me down :)

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

I told you poisoning his inner Kenyan would work :)

They can't digest the frogslegs and snails...

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

No no he hasn't won yet. It's the mileage total at the end of the month that counts. Crossing the 200 mi threshold only gets a congrats postcard from me.

I tell ya, supersizing your frog legs and snails is a bad idea. Just because you can run 120 mi/wk does not mean you can pig out on the snails!

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I'll crawl if I have too, but I'll win that stupid contest :P

Agreed, but he's already further past 200 than I will probably be at the end of the month. My target is 200 plus a few extra miles, he's covering ground like a French soldier retreating from the Maginot Line...

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

You can only count running to the dunny if you wear your racing flats!

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Meanwhile I'm sitting still like the French in Dien Bien Phu...

... ok ok I'll stop now.

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OK, week 3 is done for me. I am aiming for the consistency award with a solid yet unsurprising 52.5 miles for the third week in a row. That makes 157.5 total thus far by my reckoning. I did have a day off in the past week as my legs are starting to wilt under the strain :)

Now to shoot past FM.2.0 at the finish with a 300 mile week over thanksgiving while he's sitting on the crapper...

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Week 3 totals, Wed-Tues

Wed - the planned 20 (longest run ever)
Thurs - the painful 5
Fri - 10 on trail
Sat - 12 (4 easy, 4 LT pace or better, 4 easy) all treadmill
Sun - 5 easy
Mon - 10 on trails COLD, half tempoish pace, half z1/2
Tues - 8 on treadmill, meant to go another 10 but had a mild bonk.

70 miles, more than planned, longest week ever by 7 miles! I believe this puts me at 166 after a slooow start.

I am torn about the end of the month because I have a 5k thursday and a planned recovery week supposed to start Sunday. I actually feel pretty good with no aches or pains. Lost about 4 lbs in last 2 weeks and started today a little dehydrated/under nourished. Considering pushing through 8 more days and recover first 3-4 days in December.

Though there is thread about age groupers perhaps not requiring as much recovery as they might think... any thoughts? Should I compromise my 12 week plan and risk injury to achieve a number? My last 4 week period before my Dec 31st 'A race' 5k would need some tweaking as well.

Ok, you're right, I already know the answer...I'm coming for you FM2.0 !!! Maybe another 70 mile week with a last day of the month 22 miler to end at around 258! That would be unreal for me. Just got serious last November and ran maybe 50 for the month in 05.

Realistically, I'll see how it goes, don't want to blow all my improvement with a stupid injury.

Week 3 = 58 miles running, 52 miles biking.
Month total of 160 running, 197 biking.

I've been running 6 days/week, biking on the off day, and the legs feel great right now.
Pretty much following Pfitzinger's under 70 mpw program. My "E" pace has been dropping like a stone.

AARGH!!! You buggers are all beating me now!

Note to self: I only have to make the 200 to make my target and I'll be happy. Grumble grumble.

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Bingo! Amazing how volume does that, huh? More is certainly MORE! Here's to volume and not getting injured ...

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Fatigue is biochemical, not biomechanical.
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"My "E" pace has been dropping like a stone"

I'm gonna steal this phrase and repeat it like a mantra. I'm up to 41 mi last week and 98.5 mi total. Look out people!!!

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I don't usually do anything except swim in the morning before breakfast except the occasional ride. This morning I got up and ran 9 miles as I'm jumping on a plane in a bit and it was the only chance to get the miles in today. I'm absolutely knackered! Is this normal? I'm usually fine afterwards if I run this far or further later in the day.

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Only 71mi this week with 2 days off due to food poisoning. With 11mi this am and the other 2 weeks that put me at 79+123+71+11 = 284mi. I might be able to hit 450mi.

You
Are
Sick!

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

I was. :P

Check out the updates in the OP.

triyourbest has come out of nowhere to claim 2nd place and threathen FM2, who is starting to show weakness... I predict a photo finish.

soulswimmer has also made a major move and is now sitting precariously in third place with a struggling kdw hanging onto fourth for dear life.

Lazy Ben has hit a glass ceiling and seems incapable of running more than 52.5 mi! Somebody help him...

Other heavy hitters like rroof and txvet have yet to report, so things can change in a hurry.

Happy Thanksgiving y'all. And happy running.

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Dammit I drop off the radar screen for a while and I miss this!!! I am pretty close to 200mi actually, let me do my math and get back to you. How many other chicks are reporting in?

AP

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I think you just took the lead in the Women's division just by posting...

Wow you're close to 200 mi already? AND you're a food slut? Will you marry me?...

You're the only chick so far, AP. Good to see you go through the miles like Mrs. Pac Man.

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Wouldn't that be nice? ;-)

My approx numbers to date:

Nov 1 to 5: 35k
Nov 6-12: 60k
Nov 13-19: 65k
Subtotal up to Nov 19th: 160k=100mi

This week:
M: 8k -> done
T: 8k -> done
W (today): 16k (10mi)
R: 8k
F: off
St: 25k (15.6mi)
Sn: 5-8k (depends on K)
Goal for week: 70k (43.75)

AP

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"How bad could it be?" - SimpleS

Unfortunately, not as close to 200mi as I'd like, more like 200k... but I did have to move at the beginning of the month, and K's daycare was closed a whole week, so that killed a lot of my mid-week milage...

AP

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Sorry AP, we go from Wednesday to Tuesday, so can you re-work your numbers for Nov 1-7, 8-14, and 15-21? Thanks

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ok, I think this works out right...
Nov 1-7: 51k -> 31.875 mi
Nov 8-14: 64k ->40 mi
Nov 15-21: 61k -> 38.125 mi
Total: 176k ->110mi (the 100mi from before plus my 10mi from M & T this week so far, so yeah looks like it works out)
goal for Nov 22-28: 65k (40.625mi) (plus getting drunk at MNF in Seattle on the 27th ;-))

AP

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Very good. Thanks.

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OK, still no big mileage with holiday travel plans, but another race tomorrow (Turkey Trot)! That will make 3 races (and 1 more planned) for Nov. Have to take effort into consideration :)

Bottomfeeder: add 51.5 this week for me :)

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Yessir. If you don't break 17:4x tomorrow, your name is MUD!

I'm racing the Orlando Turkey Trot (5K), but I don't feel any snap lately. So it's doubtful that I will improve on my 19:5x from two weeks ago.

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getting the miles up slowly.. mainly took my foot off of accelerator due to various peers proclamations of "wtf - your overtraining!"

anyhow bf i'm at a measly 28 for this week.
Next week watch out damnit!

OK, glass ceiling my arse!

Week 4 was 63.5 for me giving me a total to date of 221 miles for November.

2 days to go and I've made the challenge. Obviously FM will win the overall and I'll probably be miles off 2nd, 3rd, 4th... but pleased to have got the job done :)

Last week was my biggest mileage week ever, probably by quite an amount and included my longest ever run (17 miles).

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Late to posting, but I just wanted to say thanks for the inspiration.
Thinking about this thread helped me through my first ever week over 100k.
Weekly totals went like this: 30; 42; 5; 67 for a total of 144 miles over 4 weeks.
My goal is to increase my monthly mileage every month through February.

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I beg to differ! AndyPants is not the only "chick" in the challenge.

I'll post my numbers later today, but she has me beat. Good job AP!

Well, my month started off crappy with a lot of post-Ironman missed days, but since week two I've kept it steady and racked up 327.5 km. (203 miles) this month, so I barely qualify.

Anyone care to up the ante in December to 400 km. (~250 miles)? I'm ramping up the running through the end of January and could use a bit of outside motivation.

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Magna est veritas et praevalebit

"I'm not going to have reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president."
-Hillary Clinton

The answer to "1984" is 1776.

Week 4

Wed 6 miles
Thurs 10 miles easy trails (wrong start time posted for turkey trot, go figure)
Fri 10 miles treadmill intervals
Sat 8 miles
Sun 4 miles easy
Mon 21 miles LSD (hurt like a bitch, strained a quad and probably would not have finished this run if it wasn't for recovery week coming.)
Tue off, felt much better

59 miles+166miles =225 miles

I am probably about done other than 5-8 miles in the next 2 days. Reallly need recovery as I have 1 more month of roughly the same.
Will post a full report as to how completing twelve 50+ mile weeks affected my run fitness, times, knees, weight, attitude, etc. This is from someone who never ran more than 40 a week, never 2 weeks in a row, and averaged 20-25 over the course of season.

I am at 41 for this week for a total of 201 for the month. Only ran 4 days as I've got the creeping crud that seems to be going around.

going back to my old id, I got fresher legs...

79+123+71+113 = 386mi

Horrible week. Little to no motivation, lots of snow & ice & cold temps, although Monday Night Football in Seattle was a blast ;-)

Wed 22: 10mi
Thurs 23: 5mi
Fri 24: off
Sat 25: 5mi
Sun 26: off
Mon 27: off
Tues 28: off
Weekly Total: 20mi :-(

Oh well.
Monthly total up to 130mi.

AP

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I have to admit, my mileage has also been kept up this month due in no small part to this challenge. Shallow reason, I know, but it feels good to be running regularly instead of irregularly.

As far as wrapping up this challenge, let's count the 4th week as having 9 days: Wed the 22nd to Thu 30th. Let's post on the 30th, and I will be able to declare the winners on the 1st.

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You call that horrible?
Only 2 days for me. 5 miles last Wednesday, 4 miles last Friday. Not a moment of exercise Sauturday through Tuesday. Holidays with a house full of people do not a good training week make......

93 miles for me so far in November...woo-hooo!!!!

And Francois, WTF??? That tally was miles per month, right? I thought this was a 200 mile challenge. Go find the 400 mile challenge thread, for chrissakes!!!

NO fair...I'm not playing with you guys anymore...I'm taking my barely used running shoes and going home......

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To keep your balance you must keep moving.
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Good, I'm 'gonna need those 2 extra days to hit 200: and I mean JUST at 200 :)

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It just feels horrible - I have been living with a huge amount of stress since February, and it is finally catching up with me. I show all the classic signs of being overtrained - and I'm not overtrained from running - I'm over trained from STRESS.

:-(

Not sure how well my marathon in Feb will go. I will go and do it, and try to just enjoy the day. Then I will have to seriously re-assess my goal of doing Comrades in June 07.

AP

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"How bad could it be?" - SimpleS

I hear you. Whenever I go through periods you're describing - and I go through them alot - I try and get back to seeing my training sessions as a relief from life's stress, not an additional burden.

It's easy to forget that the exercise is supposed to be the fun part of the day, and not another responsibility that we somehow have to cram in.

Easier said than done though. I get the feeling that you just may surprise yourself come that February marathon day! ;-)

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Sorry, I misread the 2

Sure hope so, but as long as it's fun, and I'm sure the apres race will be (BBQ in Austin with Austin79 and Tibbs, heck how can you not have fun? ;-)), then I'm OK with that. I think once I get this divorce/house/financal crap sorted out and squared away, I should be OK to ramp it up.

thanks for the words of encouragement, they help alot.

AP

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I'm sorry about the stress, AP. Maffetone liked to say that the body can't differentiate between life stress and training stress, and that the athlete needs to make sure to recover from the accumulated stress or face burnout. I used to be skeptical of this concept, but now I'm sold on it. The best time to get ambitious about training is when you have your shit together.

Having said that, the more stressed you are the more important it is to keep in basic shape. Nothing fancy, just make sure you put in 45-60 min of any activity that's good for you. See the Dev Doughboy Program. It does wonders for mental stability, as I'm sure you're aware. The whole trick is to get out of the house every single day and break a sweat... despite your brain telling you "f*ck it, just stay home".

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Exactly. I've been re-reading my Maffetone, and I'm sure that's what's going on. I will likely scale back to 2 meaningful runs a week for the next while, but walking/swimming/skating in between, and see if that helps.

AP

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You need to take a vacation to Florida! :-)

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Bottomfeeder,
I would be curious to hear your opinions about your own question from earlier in the thread as you continue to run longer and more frequently, especially if you do it for a couple/few months consistently, especially if you get up to 50+/week.

kdw




"So I'm running my 30 mi weeks, and it's not a piece of cake. I have ups and downs in energy level, motivation level, etc. From where I am I can't see running the mileage that you do.

My question to you is: how do you manage your up and down swings? What do you do when you feel like crap? Do you force yourself out the door? I would think a certain level of pig-headedness is critical in racking up the miles, no?

I just want to run more consistently, but I find that consistency is hard to achieve."

Ugh, last thing I need is another vacation, seriously. But some nicer weather would help ;-)

AP

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I'd like to turn the tables on you and ask YOU your opinions on the matter. After all, you've been running more than I.

I will take a stab at answering you though. In my case I was a slob much of the year until I decided I had to turn things around in August. I've been increasing my training load ever since (focusing on running since it gives me the most bang for the buck, and doing some swimming and strength work on the side).

I don't know about y'all, but it has been an arduous journey for me - plagued with bouts of fatigue, mood swings, backsliding, over-eating, self-doubt, lack of motivation, etc. These things still haunt me to this day, but to a much lesser extent, so that I can say that it's getting easier by the week. At least at this stage, more training begets more consistent training, better eating, more even mood, etc. It's funny how it works.

How do I manage the bumps on the road? The best I can, which sometimes is pitifully poor. Every time that I am dragging, I have to make a decision: do I get out the door or not? Most of the time I find that getting out the door and getting on with the exercise is all it takes to enjoy my evening, so the dragging was a ghost. For me it is sheer will power to make the right decision (the pig headedness that I alluded to earlier), so that I have to expend some emotional energy to get going. For somebody who's fundamentally weak in the will department, it's hard. But as I said, it is getting easier!

There is one little trick that I have found helps motivate, that is to run with a group. So I'd say if somebody is hurting for motivation, they should try to hook up with a group (be it running or swimming or whatever) and get free motivation that way.

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you and Baldric must be twins... he's part of the swim challenge and is kicking a$$...we said 100k for swimming, he's near 200k!

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maybe she's born with it, maybe it's chlorine
If you're injured and need some sympathy, PM me and I'm very happy to write back.
disclaimer: PhD not MD

http://windermereroadies.com/...4504b8d0e21175cb7838

How bout some biking tonight BF!?

Getting me to show up to that pain fest is like pulling teeth... or getting Erik Clark to ride his bike.

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Ok, I've tallied up my final numbers, and the totals are better than I thought. Remember, I am in the women's category!

Week 3, 43 miles

Week 4, with it's 9 days, 50 miles.

This has been a great challenge. Thanks for the inspiration!

txvet, I love your numbers!

The womens' challenge just heated up all of a sudden. You're at 180 mi as of this morning. I take it you're not going to run tonight?

AndyPants, you're at 130 mi as of Tuesday. If you start running NOW and don't quit until midnight tonight, you may just win, and you will have to change your screen name to BADASS. If we see you posting on ST today, we will know that the battle has been lost! :-)

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Haha, I was going to do 10mi at lunch, so I think I will have to take 2nd this time around...

AP

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"How bad could it be?" - SimpleS

Been on vacation and my running miles show it.

Week 3 11/15-11/21 21 Whopping miles. Includes a pitifully slow 22:35 5K
Week 4 11/22-11/28 19 even more pathetic miles. Also including a slightly less pitiful 22:11 5K turkey trot. (Note to self, never start behind the dude with his wife and stroller. Especially when you're running with 1500 of you closest friends. BTW did anyone here do the Cape Coral Turkey trot?)

Soooo as I see it I have a whopping total of 108 miles and I only need to run 96 miles after work tonight to reach the 200 mile goal. How does 40 for lunch and 56 after work sound?

On the long term front...Does anyone besides me find it unlikely that I will run a 18-19 5K off of 2-3 months of 40-50 mile weeks? Who's starting the December challenge?

~Matt

Don't show these numbers to Francois. <smirk>. Welcome back Matt.

Hey look at it this way, that 22:11 is your new PR, isn't it? Congrats. As far as running sub 19:00 on 2-3 months of 40-50 mpw, part of me wants to say "No way Jose!", but the other part of me says "Hmm... you never know. 12 weeks of that kind of mileage is a serious streak for anybody but the letsrun crowd."

One thing I have learned to appreciate after running these recent 5K's: you really need to do some speed work to bust out a good one. The intensity level and pace of the race are so high that a guy just running base miles will be ill prepared to sustain them for long. That said, it's probably still beneficial to run a few 5K's during base training, just don't expect top-notch times.

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You can still do some (just not much) speed stuff in with the long miles. And a few months of this then lowering the mileage but adding intensity should mean that you're faster than you used to be if you do it right. And if like me you have a few pounds that you can drop in the process that will help your speed too. If this isn't true then my plan for next season is sunk :)

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

O.K....all I could squeeze in during lunch was another 4 miles - a hair short of the 103 miles I needed. These frickin' patientes with their damn illnesses are really eating into my training time! :-)

So, brings me to a rousing 17 miles for the 9 day "week" 4. Along with a spectacular 16 mile week 3, my grand total is 101.

Actually down from my average over the past 3 months. Looks like the pressure of this Challenge was a bit too much for me!

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Life is like riding a bicycle.
To keep your balance you must keep moving.
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1 min/mile is a lot to take off your pace in 3 months. However, it wouldn't surprise me if you did. I ran a lot of miles last winter, and didn't get much faster until I dropped the mileage back down again.

If you are running 25 miles/week now, I would spend a month building up to ~45 miles/week with no intensity. Meanwhile, I would order Pfitzinger's "Advanced Marathoning", and once I gut up around 45 mpw, I would start following his 12 week "Under 55 mpw" program.

I don't think you should try and run 5Ks simultaneously with increasing your run volume. Once you stop increasing your mileage, you can slowly add some up-tempo stuff such as 8x100m strides or 15-30 minute tempo runs (the pace you could maintain for a 1 hour race).

At the end of 3 months, I think you will be surprised at how fast you can run a mile.

406mi final.

We're not worthy :0

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Are you counting miles you did as FM2.0? Seems like there might be a loophole here...

same person.
miles counted once only ;-)

Dan, I worship you. You're the anti-Francois. If you and Francois shake hands, you two will annihilate each other!

101 miles, I love it! Haha.

BTW, I have you at 26+32+16+17 = 91 mi for the month. Where did the extra 10 miles come from? :-)

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I've still got time to beat you, I plan to run twice today :)

If I rent an RV, put a treadmill in it and have the wife drive 200 miles up the freeway while I run does that count as running 200 miles?

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

what direction you're driving? are you taking into consideration the rotation of the earth and using this as a referential?

LOL. Good one.

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"How bad could it be?" - SimpleS

Of course! I'm thinking if I run fast enough the earth will rotate backwards and I'll be finished before I start and I'll be over 500 miles before last tuesday...

We are still multiplying miles by weight at the end to get the final result right?

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Forget speedwork. Speedwork is the icing on the cake and you don't have a cake yet. - MattinSF

Basically they have 9 tenants, live life to the fullest, do not turn the cheak, and embrace the 7 deadly since. - TheForge (on satanists)

Nope, no running for me tonight. We had a major cold front blow into Texas and I plan on relaxing in front of my fireplace this evening!