No. He said base training is bullshit. There is a major difference. Your inability to articulate anything accurately prevents you from understanding the very subtle difference between saying base is BS and base training is BS.

I'm trying to keep up but it's hard to think as slow and as inaccurately as you. Anyhow, post your last answer to me. I'll ignore you. You're just too dumb.

Just because someone uses exercise physiology terms doesn't mean they understand what they are talking about. First clue - discussing lactic acid.

Shane

That's what we're talking about Francois. Base training.

Try to keep up here.

So let me ask it this way, bc maybe I am reading it wrong, or interpreting it wrong. Are you backing off your statement that high intensity training and racing erodes aerobic base?

I'm not disagreeing with another coach unless they are stating the same exact thing you did. I have stated numerous times I'm disagreeing with the statement you said, and have not retracted to my knowledge that high intensity and racing erodes aerobic base.

I am, as are many of on here, looking for you to give us something other then he said she said in regards to this. To state you've read books or had conversations with people is to deflect the request. We all have had conversations with authors of training books, other coaches, authors of physiology text books, ACSM researchers of the year (heck I trained under one in school). But what does that prove? Nothing, it still amounts to he said she said. So we are asking you, have asked you numerous times from numerous people, to prove that statement.

If you can not find, or choose not to find scientific proof to back your statement then just tell us you can not or more likely that none exist in this case. If you are going to make extraordinary claims such as this, that fly in the face of physiology, you should be prepared to provide evidence when people call bs on your outlandish claim.

To be clear, I said """"that base training is bull shit. Everything you do all year round contributes to your base. unless you take an extended break you still have your base."""""

You stated that high intensity and race efforts erode your base. Which would be in contradiction to what I quoted above. I implied, and for all I know probably stated in a post, that doing intervals today increases your base tomorrow, that riding sst intervals tomorrow increase your base next week. That doing a 75 min aerobic ride today is adding to tomorrow's base. Everything that you do training contributes to base. That is why base training, solely doing L2 efforts to rebuild as you stated somewhere in your first couple of posts, is BS. That has been my point from the beginning.

As for attacking, I took this as a personal attack, something I think I've refrained from doing to you.
The use of italics indicated, to me, that you were making a snide comment about me. I think I've refrained from taking cheap shots at you.

That is why base training, solely doing L2 efforts to rebuild as you stated somewhere in your first couple of posts, is BS. That has been my point from the beginning.

I went back and re-read the first page of this thread and it abundantly clear what DD, Francois, Prevost and others have said and continue to say. Sorry that you fail to grasp what they are trying to explain to you. OR >> it could be that everyone else is wrong and you are correct. Does that happen in your life often?

That post was made years ago, back when lactic acid was what everyone called it.

Despite a shift in the terminology (aided by an understanding that we're not even producing lactic acid), the key points remain.

I wouldn't just up and denigrate the guy because of that. You can still find the term in lots of places used by lots of famous coaches and writers.

Just because someone uses exercise physiology terms doesn't mean they understand what they are talking about. First clue - discussing lactic acid.

Shane

Fair enough - not all coaches, not even all successful coaches understand physiology and continue to use incorrect terminology.

However, it may be worth considering that if some aspects of the post are outdated, that perhaps hitching your wagon to the idea that high intensity work degrades aerobic capacity may not be the best idea.

Shane

Yeah sorry, that's when lactic acid was called lactic acid. You know, back in the day. Now, it's called bob.

I love Jason's answer to you. From the guy who's been accusing others to make him say things he never said...sigh...

"high intensity training and racing erodes aerobic base" Your continued failure to provide valid support for that statement and your continued personal attacks on those that are attempting to broaden your understanding have brought your credibility down to zero.

Thanks to all others for the excellent education and entertainment.

Nothing more to see here.

"high intensity training and racing erodes aerobic base" Your continued failure to provide valid support for that statement and your continued personal attacks on those that are attempting to broaden your understanding have brought your credibility down to zero.

Thanks to all others for the excellent education and entertainment.

Nothing more to see here.

x2

So if any coach used the term lactic acid back in the early 2000s, then they don't understand physiology?

I copied and posted a post from years and years ago and you're hung up on the phrase "lactic acid" and ready to dismiss everything else outright because of that.

Glad to see you're not trying to be disingenuous or anything.

It's so funny to see all of you guys with signatures promoting coaching services. Yet your entire involvement in this thread is simply a quip here or there that doesn't address anything pertinent.

No, I meant fair enough. I had no idea how old the post was and that if was indeed that old, then I can't fault him for using terminology that is still used today.

The part about successful coaches not understanding the physiology is that I have discussions on a fairly regular basis with coaches who will still discuss lactic acid so I was saying your point about the use of the term was valid.

I didn't say I was willing to dismiss everything else because of the use of term but rather because everything I've read and my experience tell me that high intensity work does not erode aerobic capacity.

Shane

It's even funnier to watch your one man crusade to promote....who knows what in this thread and attempt to discredit several notable coaches in their efforts to provide truth, facts, science.

I actually think you might suffer from a major narcissistic complex. All of us see the problem in the thread except you. Do yourself a favor and just walk away from this thread with what little credibility you might have left on ST. And I don't mean that in an insulting way.

Smh

You really don't get it. And stop playing the victim card. It makes you come off as an even bigger loser. Let. It. Go.

I've been trying to promote is that DD's concept that "base training is bullshit" is ridiculous.