Here is what motochris wrote....


So no, I am talking about the right model. The tri version of the Shic was introduced at Kona 2011.

Now, if motochris was talking about the original Shiv (now Shiv TT) w/ a nosecone, again he is wrong. Not only was it not introduced in 2011/12 (I believe it was late 2008), but the nosecone version was raced at the UCI level (including the TdF) for at least a year. Here is Cancellara racing his Shiv nosecone in the 2009 TdF.



So yeah, motochris' post smells like bullschitt......

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The nosecone Shiv got banned in early 2010 during a stage race. Chris D, who was a teammate at the time, scrambled to get an alternative to Contador.

Yup....don't remember which race, but that is exactly right. IIRC, there had been rumors swirling that it would get banned, but the actual ruling and timing came as a bit of a surprise.

So that again reiterates that the scenario laid out by motochris is not even close to being factually correct....especially as he then tried to connect that incorrect scenario to why Specialized riders were not riding the Venge Vias at this year's TdF.

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And just to put that scenario to rest.....I'm 99.9% certain that sticker on the seatube in this pic is the UCI frame approved sticker.

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The nose cone Shiv was banned in Feb of 2010 (also affected the Trinity as it fell foul of the interpreted 8cm rule). Spec knew about it almost a month prior but did nothing. Still Cancellara won Worlds on it a few months before so you can't say that the UCI have it out for Spec.

Correct, that sticker is definitely on the frame.

When I said backlash, I am referring to the fact the Cav and Sagan weren't riding them as much as they could be. Obviously choosing the old venge instead of this one at times. Most the feedback from people who have actually ridden them on the forums and at the amateur level seems to be pretty positive for the most parts. Most people say it goes like hell, brakes are decent (maybe not the best they have ever ridden, although some people have said adjusting the toe in helps dramatically). So just curious to hear people's thoughts and opinions. The true test at the pro level will be next year when the new season starts, more bikes are available, and whether riders choose to ride them or not.

Still wondering how the front brake fits within the 8cm box rule...

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You can always check the UCI approved list: http://www.uci.ch/...andForks_English.pdf

IIRC brakes are considered separate so you have an extra 8cm to play with.

Are we talking about the nosecone shiv? Because i think there was some significant UCI discussion on that bike. The VIAS would have clearly been given the go ahead if it was used multiple times. If there was an issue it would have been pulled right away.

this was the prompt i needed to get me to finally write up some impressions of the ViAS. as it happens, i've raced LOTOJA 6x (~9h continuous saddle time) on 5 different S-Works bikes, including, most recently, the ViAS.

in fact, i literally JUST got off the ViAS before writing that post.

No, it should be contained within the box. Page 34-35 http://www.uci.ch/...2012-ENG_English.PDF

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Just to be clear, I was never posting this message saying the bike is a failure. I think most of the naysayers haven't ridden one first hand, or are just passing along the rumors they here such as Cav not liking the brakes, and Sagan not riding for every race, etc. I was just wondering when we will see the pro's adapt and use the bike more regularly, and it seems like this is only a matter of more seat time and more availability to supply the rest of the riders from the pro teams. Nice to see Sagan use it in Stage 4 of AD.