Awesome.

Nice to see a better story amongst all this carnage:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...t/0/cycling/19930514

...maybe we should have a thread for all those guys who refused to dope and had to quit the sport. Cue quips about how short a thread it would be, but I'll bet there were quite a few we've just never heard about, to say nothing of those who didn't even bother to try to go pro because they knew what was involved to win.

I was offered testosterone at a gym to get bigger for rugby. Had by team rugby jersey on and didn't know the guy (pusher). Said no and didn't go back to that gym.
I could name some other non-American sports and certain countries which had or still have problems with drugs in sports.
The thing is the drugs are quite often not illegal for medical treatment when coming back from injury when a person has handed in their pro license.

Also a lot of people know which doctors or other sources will provide them with PEDs. I am 100% against drugs used illegally, but it would take pretty extreme circumstances before I would consider dobbing someone in. And yes I have seen a guy injecting, well him and also the guys on the street in a few different cities.
Here is a scenario I heard recently. Guy gets busted for class A drugs, guys above him send some threats to those around him and he has only one way out so it appears, sad. Moral of the story is don't get involved in drugs.


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Mercier has been reported on before, but it is good to see. He wrote an op ed a few weeks ago calling for UCI resignations.

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WTC isnt going to drop WADA signatory status. the 2009 blood passport results are a failed test, the fact that the UCI never showed it to their passport committee doesnt make it any less of a positive test. 4 of the passport committee members have publicly in the last week come out and said if it had been presented to them it would have been a passport violation.

Youre entire premise is false. UCI maintained results management over the majority of cycling races in the world with top level pros in it. They didnt want the riders caught, so they made sure to keep the results the way they wanted them. They benefited from the appearance of clean racing, not clean racing.

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To be fair on Cecchini, from the next paragraph in The Secret Race:

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He (Cecco) also had a revolutionary and refreshing attitude about doping ... he encouraged me (TH) to dope as little as possible. He never gave me (TH) any Edgar (EPO); ... because Cecco believed that most riders dope far, far too much.

I could name some other non-American sports and certain countries which had or still have problems with drugs in sports.


Yeah but could you name a single sport or country free of drugs in sports?

Here's a postal rider, named by other riders but not convicted of anything; coming clean before australia went after him. Didnt talk to USADA, Didnt make a deal, came clean once the story came out. the other shoe is falling http://www.sbs.com.au/...n-from-cycling-posts This is going to impact team after team as more of the folks named in the exhibits come clean. So many of these guys still work in the sport.

I think that ship as long sailed in Nike (or other major sponsors) dropping LA.

Unless something heinous comes out about LA doing something that is against the law very recently other than, to paraphrase Don Corleone, " a harmless vice" as it is now in a sport that does not take place on US soil and a sport very few people pay attention to, care about or understand.

The public at large is completely neutral to a large WGAS/WGAF about all of this stuff with LA. The Hulk Hogan sex tape got more press this past week than LA did with these doping charges that occurred years ago in Europe.

He was named in the report. Waited until it came out and was about to be trashed in the media. If he was not named he would not have confessed. He is no hero. Also he was fired from a team in 2011 for sending a rider to a dirty doctor for a "Vo2" test.

I want someone not named and not part of an American team to come out and confess.

Gets rid of the "They were offered a deal and they are lying to protect their interests" argument. No deals with White. Doesn't excuse his doping though.

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We are not sure what if any deal he was offered in Austrailia. Also he didn't come out and say he doped. He probably still wants to be involved in cycling and felt this was the best way to do that.

"I am sad to say that I was part of a team where doping formed part of the team's strategy, and I too was involved in that strategy."

A real confession would say what he took and when he took it. It would also name names of people that gave him the drugs and who else he knew took them.

It was known in 2010 the allegations against him but he chose not to confirm those.

Every single confession, aside from Tyler's, is lame. They're all wrapped around the why, etc. I can understand the need to present the rationale
for doping (I guess we all know what it is anyway), but in the end, have the guts to say: but it was my choice, and no one had a gun to my head. I chose
to do it.

Yep,it's just too bad that some people have to make this personal and insult anyone who does not share their opinions 100%.

Yes we are, as of the time of coming forward, cycling australia hadn't contacted him yet.

I honestly don't know the answer to this so may be well of course but surely some of these allegation provide very strong evidence that LA committed perjury in at least some of the many court battle he has been involved in. If that is the case don't the feds have a duty to follow up and prosecute? As I say I don't know the answer to this so genuinely interested in thoughts.

Also this is huge news in Europe and even in the Middle East where I live and even on Chinese tv there was a major news item on it.....this isn't about to go away anytime soon, IMHO this is only really starting and LA and a lot of others guys I believe will be truly sweating now as they are looking at jail time.....the Italians have already begun a criminal investigation against Ferrari. In one sense I hope it does go all the way to criminal courts as that is possibly the one thing that will once and for all put an end to widespread doping practices

Cycling Australia was first made aware of Landis's allegations in May 2010.
Cycling Australia then referred the matter to the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, which said in February last year it was aware of the claims made by Landis.

So in all that time they never contacted him at all??

He is also "co-ordinator of Cycling Australia's men's road racing program, which takes in the Olympics and the world championships."

So no one contacted him when the main USADA report came out. That would be very strange indeed.

Not unless you get some fringe sport like darts or similar. However, even those I wouldn't bet on it. In "A Good Walk Spoiled", the first book where a writer spent a year on the PGA tour, there were a couple golfers that said they experimented with beta blockers to keep their heart rate down during tournaments.

Maybe T-ball?

John

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Would the fact he's being sued by the Sunday Times (*) (Rupert Murdoch, oh the irony) for basically extorting money from them for allegedly "slandering" him in 2004 count? That, and things like it, in my opinion, is why Armstrong is such a f*cking creep. That goes way beyond "a harmless vice". If you have harmless vices, shut the fuck up about them.

(*) To lazy to find an English language link. Can give you a Dutch one you can feed through translate if you insist.

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Landis is the most honest. Everyone else is using a variation of "I'm so sorry. I should not have done it. I feel guilty.". Landis is honest enough to say he would do it again and the whole experience was a great ride. The only thing he is sorry about is lying when he was caught.

I can get fully behind that. My BS meter is still being tickled after reading the others' statements and confessions.