It isn't that simplistic. Depends on the crime, past history of criminal, what info they can give up but they most likely won't get full immunity. Real life isn't like the movies you watch.

What happened in '06 related to this?

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Witches should be hunted.

If LAs defence was "it's unfair that you targetted me because Hincapie or Landis or Ferreri were really the instigators and the impact of banning them would be bigger" then we could have an interesting philosophical debate.

To my mind though, if you cheat, or in another context commit a regular crime, you open yourself up to the USADA or a prosecutor deciding you're the most valuable target - that you're the witch. As long as that value judgment is based on legitimate goals (cleaning up sort, reducing crime etc.) I have no issue with that. Some have implied the decision to target Armstrong was clearly based on illegitimate goals - personal animus or visibility. I'm yet to see any evidence of that. I'm open to improving "the process" but witch hunting is fine by me.

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I'll tell the public defenders in my family they got it wrong then.

For the uninformed, what happened in '06? Barry said he stopped then as well.

Isn't that an oxymoron?

I often wonder if people who are outraged and disgusted by Lance and his team's behaviour hold similar outrage for Superbowl winning quarterbacks. I'm pretty sure any quarterback who has won the Superbowl relied on a bunch of guys who were doped to the gills. They all remain silent and get a free pass. This must piss off LA.

They are free to spin things anyway way they want to make themselves look better then get back to racing next year. A complete joke.

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He should. He's dreamy looking.

witch hunt? yes. my 1999-2005, 2009-2010 Le Tour DVD's in the bonfire? yes again.

I guess they all stopped doping in 2006 so doping is all out of the sport now. I guess Steve Houanard didn't get the message.

Read my post again. It isn't as simple as you make it sound. All confessions dont equal same reduction in punishment. Depends on the crime, your role, info you have, who you will give info on, your past criminal history....etc.

You gotta protect the health of the legions of youth that are coming up into the cycling ranks. No one plays football. It's small time.

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And Hincapie says he's been riding clean since 2006. Hate to say it, but I highly doubt that too!!

Lance was offered the same opportunity and declined it.


That doesn't matter to me.

It does to everyone who wanted to see Lance given a fair opportunity to admit his guilt. He chose to take the usual path of intimidation and lost but at least we all know that was his choice.

He is a doper. What is your point? All his results should be taken away since that is the precedent set with LA case. Good thing he didn't win PR or else my favorite race would be tarnished.

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I'm still not comfortable with this whole process. If there was such a definitive all-encompassing doping doping process, why did Lance not ever test positive? I mean, Floyd did, Tyler did, I assume others within that group as well. Floyd won the TDF and they still nailed him. Contador was nailed as well. So, Lance had the whole system in his pocket, so he would not test positive? I doubt that.

One may say that with all this information, yes, it's possible that he doped. However, it's not concrete EVIDENCE. Show me the evidence of EPO in his system.

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My point is that the LA fan club keeps turning things to not talk about LA and point fingers at others. Yes, GH is a doper. But at least he admitted it.
He cheated, but he doesn't take people for a bunch of idiots and go on perpetuating some BS myth.

And not to burst your bubble, but Museeuw and co weren't really clean.

I read you post. Apparently you did not read mine that closely. My statement was merely to point out that the criminal justice systems relies on plea bargaining. That's all this was, and yes it is that simple. I made no mention or inference of who is the "more guilty" party.

Armstrong was out of the sport in 2006.

Hincapie left Bruyneel at the end of 2006. He went to team Highroad, which had a strict anti-doping position. There was also some hiccup with Discovery's Tour de France performance in 2006. The whole team sucked.

I cannot remember when Barry left Bruyneel.
EDIT: Just looked it up. Barry went to Highroad with Hincapie.

Something I want to know. Will USADA push for big George's tour participation/finish records to be taken away? Or is it really only certain riders records? Hell, there is so much picking and choosing going on here, I cant even follow it anymore.

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GH took people for a bunch of idiots for 18 years. Seems like a long time to me.

I suspect the report released later today will give you plenty of scientific evidence.

Michael Barry also states he stopped in 2006. Same year LA retired.

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.....couldn't possibly have anything to do with LA retiring at the end of the previous season could it??!!