heh you'd be surprised what gets said via text message and email. I work in family law, and help people get protection orders against abusive exs etc (equivalent to restraining order in the USA, but really aimed at protecting people from abuse from people they are or have been 'close' to - without going into all the details of who can apply for one), and the stuff that is said via text and email is really quite astounding.

Minnows? These names are not small names. These guys are big names with many fancy wins between themselves. Not sure how that should affect anything. Millar paid his dues like he should have. So did Basso. Not sure why these guys should get anything less than 2 years. Not sure why LA should get a lifetime on something beyond the SOL.

You didn't bother reading Jack Robertson's affidavit, did you?

http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/...c+Jack+Affidavit.pdf

It is hard to believe that none of them have doped since 2006. Also where are the bans for the ones the other 5? Does anyone have a link for them?

What is so damaging in the e-mail thread? What is that 3 years of correspondence and didn't really see anything related to doping. Is this part of the evidence against Lance? It looked like a lot of regular ole training advice.

I also am having great laughs at Francois touting his buddies as the bastions of truth who never exaggerated or made talk of LA personal while claiming LA fans always did that


I'm just relieved that you are ok. I thought with the report out you might take it a little too hard.

So... Lance, et al. used their own dollar bills to buy Rx? They used money from their savings accounts to acquire Rx? Johan gave personal loans to riders to purchase Rx? A huge pot of millions of dollars from the USG and no diversion? Again, something doesn't seem to square. I understand that the DOJ had a different mission but... zero of anyone's salary going to Rx? Not a dollar of federal money? Fishy.

I know, what pages of the pdf talk about doping. And do the financial payments that were shown (and where in the pdf) say they were for doping?

Don't get me wrong, I think lance doped, but I'm not seeing evidence of it in this pdf (and I'll admit I haven't read the whole thing because I got bored)

Hey D-bag, get out of here, your kind is not wanted around here. Especially if you can't discuss manners in an appropriate manner.

Especially curious are the results that some of these guys have had since 2006. If memory serves they have had some of the best results in their careers. The spin is, well the entire sport was cleaner. I don't buy it and frankly I no longer care.

So they couldn't prove that US Postal bought drugs or that they doped. Those are interconnected. Hard to dope if you don't have the drugs. What about all these emails and cross examinations? If these riders admitted to doping, used their salary money that they received from the team (US Postal/government) to buy drugs, I'm not sure what the hold up is?

If this info was soooo incriminating why did the DOJ drop the case?


You have to compare the terms of reference with the DOJ case. The DOJ were after something completely different.

You don't love me, you just love my doggie style.

The part about "Lt Ferrante told me that the CD-ROM contained true and accurate copies of emails..."?

"Hearsay is the legal term for testimony in a court proceeding where the witness does not have direct knowledge of the fact asserted, but knows it only from being told by someone."

So to your quote..."I love how Garmin has had this veil of being a team against doping since its creation. Yet they have been this big fraud the whole time. But no, let's point all our fingers at LA because he is so evil and was a jerk to too many people. Cry me a river.
Facts on they have been a big fraud? So Garmin is bad because you claim they are a fraud, Armstrong is proved a fraud for years and years its wrong to point fingers at him.....Kinda confused here

hahahaha, owned!

Garmin has been proven to be a fraud for years and years now and yet you and others are ok with them getting off with lighter sentences than others. Kinda confused here. Garmin's license should be suspended and the team disbanded.

1) For what it is worth, lots of comments about politicians putting pressure for the case to be dropped

2) For the DOJ case, I believe they had to show the money was used, which is a much tougher case.

i.e. you can try and say that the payments to Ferrari would constitute the proof, but you would have to prove that teh dollars used came from the post office. Not eay

I asked for facts on the years and years Garmin has been proved a fraud.....You gave no answer. .......I asked since Lance has been proved a fraud for years and years it is wrong to point fingers......No answer from you
The riders gewtting lighter sentances than Lance, yes, different culpability, co-operation,, hey no positives right! but they testified. So yes they should get less than the bigger proven fraud

Hey idiot, if someone turned them over, they can use them any way they want.

Carry on with your sad attempt to wipe the egg off your face.

As to my comment to Dan: My problem with him is the way he has stifled negative talk of Armstrong over the years. Now that the curtain has been pulled back, he wants to retool his position. I find that to be a bit disingenuous in all honesty. Lance tried to destroy people's lives to keep his doping quiet. I didn't see that type of behavior from anyone else. Sure, maybe they knew Lance would take care of it for them, but he is the disgusting low-life here. He is the one who used images of people suffering from cancer in his commercial where he lies about his doping and suggests he is riding for them. Lance Fucking Armstrong never rode for anyone but himself. Ever. Cancer patients were the cancer shield. And you and people like Dan helped keep the lie alive. This stuff released today, it isn't surprising to anyone who was willing to pull their head out of the sand many years ago. You are not on that list. Dan is not on that list. That isn't my problem, so don't expect me to see you as anything but a fan of the biggest fraud in sporting history who is too wrapped up in his hero worship to pull his head of his ass. And don't expect me to run around bowing to the writings of someone else who has provided a lot of fodder for that same doping fraud over many years. Sorry, but I am not feeling that charitable today. Maybe I'll drop the sarcasm and vitriol when Wonderboy apologizes, and so do all those who defended them in their thousands of little ways. Till then, keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars!

That's a great question. What did the DOJ say about why they dropped the case?

Oh, they said nothing and they announced that they were dropping the case on Friday afternoon immediately prior to the Superbowl when it was sure to get minimum media attention. That reeks of political pressure and interference. I know a few folks who wrote their congressman and the white house, protesting the DoJ's investigation.

Maybe you should read this:


It is hearsay that the email evidence is true and accurate copies of the email. They would need to speak with Lt. Ferrante about that. You can't get that from Jack Robertson. The accuracy of those emails is hearsay at this point from what I have read.

Well once it is in their personal bank, it is no longer USPost money. If there was an account not connected to salaries that instead of being used to buy gas say, but was used to buy drugs, that would be the smoking gun. But no such link was found.

No, that isn't correct. Hearsay is an out of court statement used to prove the truth of the matter asserted. There are many exceptions to the hearsay rule.

Was there any documentation about the other teams the gang of 6 rode for? CSC, Phonak, Gerolstiener, TMobile? Or was the finding limited to USPS? What I find difficult to believe is that USPS was the only team with a doping plan. Unless all teams and riders are identified, this is just another Festina scandal in which nothing really changed. I'm betting that in 2 years it will be business as usual.