USADA/Lance Armstrong File Official Thread (Page 15): Triathlon Forum: Slowtwitch Forums

Re: USADA/Lance Armstrong File Official Thread [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

jmh

Oct 10, 12 14:24

Post #351 of 1580 (21962 views)

Well, if the wheels are off... here is the funniest thing in the file. From Dave Z, sung to Purple Haze:

Quote:

EPO all in my veins

Lately things just don�t seem the same

Actin� funny, but I don�t know why
�Scuse me while I pass this guy

Suffer Well.

Re: USADA/Lance Armstrong File Official Thread [Pooks] [ In reply to ]

jaws20

Oct 10, 12 14:26

Post #352 of 1580 (21944 views)

yeah, it was a strange post. just noise. easy to tune out.

still would like to read any of the affidavits. I suspect they will become publicly available soon.

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [TriBeer] [ In reply to ]

LoriT

Oct 10, 12 14:35

Post #353 of 1580 (21802 views)

TriBeer wrote:

For the record, I've never denied "that he doped."

Bottom line, I object to the evidence used to snag LA -- still do!

Which evidence? The wire transfers of money to the Doc? The emails? The testing of his blood now on those stored blood?

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [Hanaki] [ In reply to ]

tranzformer

Oct 10, 12 14:36

Post #354 of 1580 (21791 views)

Garry wrote:

I don't understading the reasoning where people don't think Lance doped, but then say everyone was doping. where is the proof that everyone was doping?....What if the doping wasn't as widespread as thought and it was really just Armstrongs teams being that organized at it.

Really? Are you being serious? Not sure if you have the wool pulled over your eyes or not.

Hanaki wrote:

There has been doping in cycling since 1906. I doubt it was just Armstongs team organizing it.

Exactly. There will be doping in cycling in 2106 as well.

TriBriGuy wrote:

From Levi's WSJ article....

" I've been racing clean for more than 5 years in a changed and much cleaner sport."

Uhhhh.....yeah, Levi. Right. I believe you now. Well...I think I have one niggling little question or two. You claimed to be clean for the last 5 years, but you continued racing in Johan Bruyneel operations, and on the same RS team as Lance, who is said in USADA's document to have been doping in 2009 and 2010. And you want us to believe you did not dope during that time period?

Hmmmmm....what to believe?

Maybe Levi's calendar counts years a little more quickly than mine. Like maybe 5 years for every one of mine....maybe.

Yeah because you know AC didn't get busted for doping. Neither did Schleck, Ricco, Kolobnev, Rui Costa, Petacchi, Valverde, Dekker, Rasmussen, Di Luca, Pelozotti, Schumacher....etc....etc.....etc. Yeah cycling is a much cleaner sport now. hahahaha

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [LoriT] [ In reply to ]

tranzformer

Oct 10, 12 14:37

Post #355 of 1580 (21776 views)

LoriT wrote:

TriBeer wrote:

For the record, I've never denied "that he doped."

Bottom line, I object to the evidence used to snag LA -- still do!

Which evidence? The wire transfers of money to the Doc? The emails? The testing of his blood now on those stored blood?

That isn't that big of a secret is it? LA has been linked to Ferrari for ages. Not like Dr. Ferrari worked for free or anything.

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [Devlin] [ In reply to ]

echappist

Oct 10, 12 14:42

Post #356 of 1580 (21717 views)

Devlin wrote:

Pooks wrote:

Well, two of the three received doping suspensions.

John

The third is Andrea Tafi, who spoke out FOR EPO testing at the Giro in 1999 and got an earful from Marco Pantani and a few others. Pantani, of course, got popped were the tests were implemented that year at the Giro.

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [tranzformer] [ In reply to ]

jmh

Oct 10, 12 14:42

Post #357 of 1580 (21715 views)

tranzformer wrote:

LoriT wrote:

TriBeer wrote:

For the record, I've never denied "that he doped."

Bottom line, I object to the evidence used to snag LA -- still do!

Which evidence? The wire transfers of money to the Doc? The emails? The testing of his blood now on those stored blood?

That isn't that big of a secret is it? LA has been linked to Ferrari for ages. Not like Dr. Ferrari worked for free or anything.

And he denied it under oath as I read the report... It's not just the crime but the coverup.

Quote:

On November 30, 2005, three months after Mr. Stapleton testified in his deposition in the

SCA arbitration proceeding, Lance Armstrong testified under oath and subject to the penalties of

perjury in his deposition and was asked the following questions, and gave the following answers:

Q: . . . .Now, Doctor Ferrari was convicted, was he not?
A: Yeah. Or - - whatever you call that over there.

Q: Okay. And then you severed your relationship with him based upon that

conviction. Is that � is that true?

A: True. No, we suspended it. Yeah.

Q: Suspended it. But did you use Doctor Ferrari for anything after he was

convicted?

A: Of course not.

Q: Okay. You say you suspended it. It�s not been reinstated. Your relationship with

Doc - - was never reinstated.

A: No, not till the appeal is finished. But there would be no need to consult with him

now.

Q: Of course. But for example, for the 2005 Tour de France, you had no contact

with Doctor Ferrari?
A: Of course not.

Suffer Well.

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [tranzformer] [ In reply to ]

LoriT

Oct 10, 12 14:46

Post #358 of 1580 (21665 views)

My comment is regarding the overview of evidence in the USADA document that lists their "evidence" which includesmore than just mere testimony--which seems to be problematic for some. (Sworn personal testimony.) Known association, albeit telling, isn't strong enough IMO all on it's own. But that there are wire transfers to a Swiss account, emails, hand written training plans with notations for EPO injection timing, among a host of other details that have yet to come out--makes me wonder if ANY evidence would be good enough for TriBeer or others?

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [tranzformer] [ In reply to ]

Francois

Oct 10, 12 14:47

Post #359 of 1580 (21642 views)

Have you heard about the Earth not being flat?

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Devlin

Oct 10, 12 14:49

Post #360 of 1580 (21620 views)

echappist wrote:

Yep. I couldn't find anything except the team controversy about the finish order on him.

It almost seems like the solution would be to suspend *all* teams, only allow back the ones that test negative, and continue to test negative at once a month + random testings. It would be worth it to me to see something like that implemented.

John

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Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [Goosedog] [ In reply to ]

Robert

Oct 10, 12 14:49

Post #361 of 1580 (21619 views)

So, they all squeeled to get light treatment? How is this somehow noble?

-Robert

"How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world." ~Anne Frank

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [LoriT] [ In reply to ]

Francois

Oct 10, 12 14:49

Post #362 of 1580 (21614 views)

The only evidence received by Tribeer and co would be Lance saying he did it, how he did it, and what he used.
And even then, they'd say the CIA caught him and waterboarded him.

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [TravisT] [ In reply to ]

Kirch

Oct 10, 12 14:51

Post #363 of 1580 (21575 views)

TravisT wrote:

Here is what is going to happen. The report is going to come out. The small minority of people like you are going to dance with glee and talk about how much you hate Lance. The larger minority like me will read it and still not really care. The vast majority will have no clue anything happened and keep loving Lance. Lance will keep living his life and not give a fuck.

Post of the day!!!

"Be your best cheerleader , not your worst critic.”

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [tranzformer] [ In reply to ]

Garry

Oct 10, 12 14:52

Post #364 of 1580 (21559 views)

tranzformer wrote:

Garry wrote:

Really? Are you being serious? Not sure if you have the wool pulled over your eyes or not.

Hanaki wrote:

No wool.. just there is a mountain of evidence on person "a", Person's "A" supporters dont' believe it, but then turn around and claim that even if he did "everyone" was doing it and there is much less evidence that everyone ( maybe I just dislike that word) was doing it to the extent group "a" was.

Also Group "A"s ring leaders are telling the team that they have to do it to keep up with "everyone" (there is that word again) else. I'm just saying that maybe not everyone was doing it. does that mean no one was.. of course not don't be silly. The text messages in the case between the two when they were saying that certain riders were actually riding clean and with a hct of 37 for one of name people is what made me think this way. And they even admit that they were lead to think that it was the most normal thing when in fact at the begining it wasn't that widespread. They were being fed lies (my opinion) on how many groups were doing it to justify it to the new riders to get them doping.

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [Devlin] [ In reply to ]

echappist

Oct 10, 12 14:52

Post #365 of 1580 (21558 views)

i'd prefer weekly blood profile testing to the bi-weekly that's currently in place

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i really do hope Tafi's clean, though i won't be surprised if he's got a history.

Come to think of it, for that era (95-05), it's more like if you were investigated, there's probably some real dirt. I think even Ballerini had some dirt.

Last edited by: echappist: Oct 10, 12 14:57

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [echappist] [ In reply to ]

deeg

Oct 10, 12 14:56

Post #366 of 1580 (21506 views)

You get the award for one of the dumbest posts I have ever read

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [Kirch] [ In reply to ]

uli

Oct 10, 12 14:57

Post #367 of 1580 (21500 views)

riccardo ricc� ‏@riccardo_ricco
Armstrong era un campione punto e basta. Poi a me non emozionava ma era un gran corridore

_________________________________________________
CAMPAGNOLO GRAN FONDO NEW YORK

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [uli] [ In reply to ]

Devlin

Oct 10, 12 14:59

Post #368 of 1580 (21458 views)

uli wrote:

riccardo ricc� ‏@riccardo_ricco
Armstrong era un campione punto e basta. Poi a me non emozionava ma era un gran corridore

Ok, google translate choked that one. Translation?

John

Top notch coaching: Francois and Accelerate3 | Follow on Twitter: LifetimeAthlete |

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [deeg] [ In reply to ]

Devlin

Oct 10, 12 15:01

Post #369 of 1580 (21430 views)

deeg wrote:

You get the award for one of the dumbest posts I have ever read

Keep reading.

John

Top notch coaching: Francois and Accelerate3 | Follow on Twitter: LifetimeAthlete |

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [uli] [ In reply to ]

Bretom

Oct 10, 12 15:02

Post #370 of 1580 (21418 views)

uli wrote:

riccardo ricc� ‏@riccardo_ricco
Armstrong era un campione punto e basta. Poi a me non emozionava ma era un gran corridore

Armstrong was a sample period. Then I do not excited but it was a great runner

Google sucks.

Can you help me out? Armstrong was a just and [ ] champion....

"Are you sure we're going fast enough?" - Emil Zatopek

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [Francois] [ In reply to ]

tranzformer

Oct 10, 12 15:05

Post #371 of 1580 (21369 views)

Francois wrote:

Have you heard about the Earth not being flat?

Have you ever heard someone call you an idiot?

Re: USADA/Lance Armstrong File Official Thread [Death by tray] [ In reply to ]

Slowman

Oct 10, 12 15:07

Post #372 of 1580 (21335 views)

"Hey Dan, where is that canned Op-Ed you talked so much about"

i wrote two OpEds, published a week ago monday. if you go to our search utility on the front page, they're entitled, On Doping, and On Anti-Doping.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [ In reply to ]

53x12

Oct 10, 12 15:07

Post #373 of 1580 (21326 views)

So does the USA have any clean professional riders that have not been tainted with riding for a doped team, admitting to doping, or being teammates with a known doper?

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [tranzformer] [ In reply to ]

Francois

Oct 10, 12 15:09

Post #374 of 1580 (21408 views)

I call myself that sometimes. You can't call me an idiot though. You're nowhere near smart enough.

Re: Daniel Coyle tweet [tranzformer] [ In reply to ]

Devlin

Oct 10, 12 15:09

Post #375 of 1580 (21406 views)

tranzformer wrote:

Francois wrote:

Have you heard about the Earth not being flat?

Have you ever heard someone call you an idiot?

Both statements have been made before. Only one of them is true.

John

Top notch coaching: Francois and Accelerate3 | Follow on Twitter: LifetimeAthlete |

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