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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [FJB] [ In reply to ]
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FJB wrote:
FTW!!

Yes or No: you've been waiting to use that one



I'm still trying to figure out what FTW stands for...

For The Win :)

Usually you can just Google "FTW meaning" for any acronym and it pops right up.
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [sbrxxx] [ In reply to ]
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sbrxxx wrote:
dwesley wrote:
oh, you mean this blood data that no one has? try again.



Cmon man, you believe everything you read/see on the internet?

So once I asked this chick what her name was, and she says "Jade"; so I'm like "prove it". So she pulls out a green rock from her purse. . . .

NICE!
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [Recoverie] [ In reply to ]
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Has anyone found a full transcript? I was at work when it was streamed and we don't subscribe to the tier that carries OWN. Thanks!
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [GatorDeb] [ In reply to ]
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Bbc transcript:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...t/0/cycling/21065539

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´Get the most aero and light bike you can get. With the aero advantage you can be saving minutes and with the weight advantage you can be saving seconds. In a race against the clock both matter.´

BMANX
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [eriqp] [ In reply to ]
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eriqp wrote:
i've read 11 pages of posts. and i have one question...

did this interview actually change anyone's opinions?

this whole interview is like people who post their agendas on fb. put it out there but in the end, everyone still has the same opinion about it.

It did for me. I was first in the "everyone doped" camp. I've always believed he doped, but also believed everyone else did.

My distaste for him started when I learned what a horrible despicable human being he is, bullying and suing people.

This interview is actually softening me up a bit towards him.
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [sneakerchimp] [ In reply to ]
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sneakerchimp wrote:
Tygart says the absolute minimum suspension period is 8 years and Armstrong contends that that despite doping practically his entire career and during each of his 7 Tour victories, he stopped doping entirely in 2005. 2005, plus 8 years...2013.

Haven't there been a few other busted riders who have all said they stopped doping around 2005 for that very reason as well ?
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Two things caught my attention that were not followed up on:

* after denying any cover-up re: the 2001 TdS tests, at the end of the segment, after admitting to the backdated TUE, he said there was that and then2001 Suise test (or sample). So he contradicted himself in his own answer.

* he said his donation to the UCI came from a request from them and he said "I have money, I'm retired....why not?" Except he wasn't retired when he made the donation.

Yes picked up both of these too - wish Oprah had of gone in harder on these 2 points and also the hospital incident too.
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [Barchettaman] [ In reply to ]
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Barchettaman wrote:
Bbc transcript:http://www.bbc.co.uk/...t/0/cycling/21065539


Thanks!! That seems to be snippets, though, although the most important ones. Is there an uncut version?

Wow, just wow. I mean what else do you want the guy to do? He's actually growing on me again.
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [GatorDeb] [ In reply to ]
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Really? The more I hear, the more utterly dispicable he appears to be.

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´Get the most aero and light bike you can get. With the aero advantage you can be saving minutes and with the weight advantage you can be saving seconds. In a race against the clock both matter.´

BMANX
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [Barchettaman] [ In reply to ]
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Barchettaman wrote:
Really? The more I hear, the more utterly dispicable he appears to be.


I already knew he lied, sued innocent people, called people names if they said anything negative against him (specially if true), bullied people, and pretty much does whatever he wants whenever he wants and has a huge ego. And he pretty much just reiterated all that in the interview and said, I'm an a**, and I'm sorry. I mean, really, not one single person can throw stones.
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [Recoverie] [ In reply to ]
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If you have ever lied about something or had someone lie to you about something, you might have a different take on this Lance thing. I know there are many out there that feel Lance should be hated like Lanza, Hitler, Bundy or Madoff, but I really can't find it in myself to hate him.

My mother cheated on my father with the family doctor, our neighbor, for over ten years. My mother was a nurse and worked with the doctor for years so it had crossed my mind that something was going on. When my mother finally admitted to the truth, I know it was a huge weight off her back, but I forgave her and my parents got back together after a couple years apart. My mom dragged the neighbors who knew about it through the dirt, like Lance did, and it wasn't pretty. Anyways, I just want to say that I can't hate Lance for being human. He probably did more good than bad in his life.
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [Peanut] [ In reply to ]
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matbe just give the yellow shirt to the dude who came in last since he is prob one of tthe few who didnt use drugs. lance shouldnt be the only one investgated. i still like the guy. flotd was angry, boo hoo. bummer he got caught.
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [chrisshannon369] [ In reply to ]
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Does it matter if he is lying about anything or everything in this interview? No, it doesnt matter until they test every single rider from every race within the past 7 years and do a complete blackout of all race results for athletes who test positive for banned substances.


You are STILL apologizing for Lance?
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [FisH2O] [ In reply to ]
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I never thought Lance wasn't doping, and I'm still waiting for the entire rest of the peleton to own up. A drop in the ocean, we've got juniors getting nailed, masters getting nailed. System is broken, and the rewards are too high.


But Lance could do something about the problem. He can go into details about how the system works, he could name names and talk about how the team was able to know when the out of competition testing occurred, how the doctors and trainers were involved etc.


If Lance really wanted to do what is right for the sport he could provide details now that he has retired. Anything else is just more self-serving crap designed to get Lance back into competition.
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [FJB] [ In reply to ]
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FJB wrote:
Does it matter if he is lying about anything or everything in this interview? No, it doesnt matter until they test every single rider from every race within the past 7 years and do a complete blackout of all race results for athletes who test positive for banned substances.


You are STILL apologizing for Lance?

You must have a very odd sense of the word "apology" if you take that as "apologizing for Lance."
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [Barchettaman] [ In reply to ]
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Really? The more I hear, the more utterly dispicable he appears to be.

This. I PVR'd it and watched this morning and I was very happy to see that Oprah was asking all the right questions, even if she didn't press on some things. He's doing a very good job at being contrite and dodging answers about things that would really make him look bad. But there were certain times (like when he was apologizing for anything) when you could tell that answering a question really tasted like poop in his mouth and he didn't want to say it. I'm not falling for the "oh, I'm so sorry that I got caught" routine because the look on his face when she asked him if he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for his comeback was like he wanted to brag about the fact he got away with it for so long.

I have no doubt that what his teammates (and a lot of other people) have said is totally true and he is a major egomaniac and a total prick in person.


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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [GatorDeb] [ In reply to ]
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Me too, i was a big fan and wanted to believe he never doped which seems ridiculous now

watched it with the wife , she said she felt sorry for him, i wont go that far but i do feel he was honest at least and i would like to think he does spend the rest of his life apologizing

he admits he is deeply flawed and a fighter - i have met people like that, who just lash out, feel persecuted and will fight at all costs

it is clear that he is one fecked up guy

the whole thing makes me feel sad but i would be prepared to forgive him for sure if he does try and make amends - too late? yes but i am just not a hater and i just cannot get on the hate bandwaggon that we have on here, he may be an arsehole but think he has done more good than bad in his life
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [FJB] [ In reply to ]
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Someone may have already alluded to this but I have not read all the threads. Lance cannot and will not "tell everything" because there are still financial and legal ramifications. His calculated answers are exactly that. Seems to me (n=1) the plan is to be as forthcoming as he can without saying anything that would confirm any part of the DOJ investigation. Can't blame the guy really, why would you willingly throw whats left of your wealth away when you have kids to worry about.

That being said, does anyone think that Tygart is still a world class A**hole? I always knew he was right but did and still despise him. Maybe its because "we" have already spent millions of tax dollars to prove what everyone already knew.....
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [edtlonsway] [ In reply to ]
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Some of Betsy's CNN appearance..

http://www.cnn.com/...u-reacts-to-intv.cnn

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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [FJB] [ In reply to ]
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This is not much different than Bill Clinton's "I did not have sex relationships with that woman" repeated denial to later confess only because the evidence was overwhelming.

Did you think Clinton was remorseful? His apology didn't seem sincere either. Yet, he is still a hero... to most democrats and lots of others too.

He should have been more open and explain the details of that "cigar game" he was playing with Monica...
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [rferic18] [ In reply to ]
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Besty is acting like a bitch

From my cheap seat, i have to ask "WGAS/WGAF what she has to say about anything?"

In this whole thing of massive doping, cover-ups, bribes, etc that LA is accused of, admitted to, guilty of, etc, she is, by far, the smallest cog in the chainring, yet she gets mentioned in the same sentence.

Don't worry Betsy, your 15 minutes of "fame" still has a few more minuted left on the clock. You might be able to milk another appearance on Anderson Cooper and you will get money from LA in some type of suit (which is the goal all along)
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [Peanut] [ In reply to ]
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If Lance wants redemption then he should not compete in sports. He competes for selfish reasons - ego, fame, and money. Instead of all that time training and competing, he should spend his time teaching children three things: don't do drugs, don't cheat, and don't lie. If he devoted himself to that rather than selfish pursuits perhaps he might gain some modicum of redemption.


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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [sbrxxx] [ In reply to ]
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sbrxxx wrote:
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dwesley wrote:
dude, the spreadsheet at the end was posted on the livestrong site. I chose not to link there for obvious reasons. also, there's actually an explanation of what the numbers mean.

here's a CN article where they say Lance posted the data himself.



. . . . .and we all know everything Lance says is the truth.

Dude, regardless of whether the data is verifiable or not, I choose to be a little skeptical; in the end, only Lance knows the truth. Most posts here on ST are speculation - most of us simply were NOT there. I don't put that much credence in that chart any more than I believed most of Lance's mea culpa tonight.


Ahahahaha. I have to quote this for posterity.

You're actually saying we can't trust the veracity of the biopassport data used to prove ('one in a million') Lance doped on his comeback because Lance posted it? So Lance's blood profile was actually clean and he changed to show he doped? Do you know how crazy that sounds?

And sure, most posts might be speculation, but these are facts. Numbers don't care if you believe them or not, they're true either way.


I'm not questioning the veracity of biopassport data. I said I choose to be a little skeptical. But even in the interview, didn't he or Oprah says that the biodata could be jigged?

No, in fact, Lance said the biopassport changed everything. rewatch it. he gives credit to it for changing the doping landscape but then disputes his own tests. if this interview happend 6 years from now, he'd be telling the truth about 2010 too. Nike and Co could come for money if he admits to 2009/2010 because by then all those contracts had morals clauses in them.
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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SayHey Kid wrote:
rferic18 wrote:
Besty is acting like a bitch


From my cheap seat, i have to ask "WGAS/WGAF what she has to say about anything?"

In this whole thing of massive doping, cover-ups, bribes, etc that LA is accused of, admitted to, guilty of, etc, she is, by far, the smallest cog in the chainring, yet she gets mentioned in the same sentence.

Don't worry Betsy, your 15 minutes of "fame" still has a few more minuted left on the clock. You might be able to milk another appearance on Anderson Cooper and you will get money from LA in some type of suit (which is the goal all along)

You've got to be kidding. You clearly don't know Betsy. She wants Lance to tell the truth about her. If he does, I guarantee you she goes away.
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Re: Official Oprah Lance interview live thread [pick6] [ In reply to ]
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What does JRenfro think of the interview?
I miss that guy, he used to have some hilarious departures from reality.
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