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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [BrianPBN] [ In reply to ]
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BrianPBN wrote:
FWIW Dev, the caloric difference between Gatorade (50cal) & Perform (70cal) is basically the same as the difference between Gatorade (50) & G2 (30) - per 8oz.

G2 is like 20 per 8oz. It's a joke for anyone doing an activity necessitating gatorade and then there's the sucralose...
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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GMAN19030 wrote:
So is GE not available in Canada? What's the deal with that?


How many "I cramped at IMC or IMMT or IMMusk due to lack of electrolytes" excuse threads will there be? Half pink on purpose. :-)

It seems our communist government here in Canada somehow has approved Perform, but not Gatorade EF for consumer consumption. Might just be that Gatorade never went through the approvals....there seems no logical reason why, but yes, the "half pink on purpose" should likely be fully pink. Hopefully we can help spread the word so that athletes make the appropriate adjustments.

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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Isn't there water available?
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [chris948] [ In reply to ]
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chris948 wrote:
BrianPBN wrote:

FWIW Dev, the caloric difference between Gatorade (50cal) & Perform (70cal) is basically the same as the difference between Gatorade (50) & G2 (30) - per 8oz.


G2 is like 20 per 8oz. It's a joke for anyone doing an activity necessitating gatorade and then there's the sucralose...

My fault Chris as I was reviewing the data on my mobile & didn't notice the 12oz serving (ie 30cal /12oz).

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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [BrianPBN] [ In reply to ]
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Is there water or does one have no choice but to drink this shit?
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [Trev] [ In reply to ]
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Trev wrote:
Is there water or does one have no choice but to drink this shit?

Always water & cola as other liquid options.

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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, deja vu all over again. I just Googled "Gatorade Endurance Canada" and found a 2006 post of mine asking how to buy Gatorade Endurance in Canada. Hard to believe that almost a decade later our government is still protecting us from the dangers of salty sports drinks.

Can someone confirm that I have this straight. Last year all Ironman races used Ironman Perform and this year US races are using Gatorade Endurance and Canadian races are using regular Gatorade? Is that correct? Also any suggestions on purchasing Gatorade Endurance in Canada or getting it mail order?
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [ONDave] [ In reply to ]
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ONDave wrote:
Wow, deja vu all over again. I just Googled "Gatorade Endurance Canada" and found a 2006 post of mine asking how to buy Gatorade Endurance in Canada. Hard to believe that almost a decade later our government is still protecting us from the dangers of salty sports drinks.

Can someone confirm that I have this straight. Last year all Ironman races used Ironman Perform and this year US races are using Gatorade Endurance and Canadian races are using regular Gatorade? Is that correct? Also any suggestions on purchasing Gatorade Endurance in Canada or getting it mail order?

Confirming the part in bold.

As for our government, well if they have to protect us from salt then how come Perform slid in and are they going to ban Poutine (especially the servings you get in the finisher zone at IMMT?).
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Is it the salt or a non bilingual label that is the issue? I thought that was Skratch's problem in Canada last year?
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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The thing i am taking from this thread....

After swimming, safely navigating a daredevil descent, suffering mightily on the climb back up, and limping through a full marathon... there may be cold, probably stale, poutine waiting for me?

There had better be some left by the time i drag my old, fat BOP ass across that finish line!

I do the same thing as them, just slower
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [Jmath] [ In reply to ]
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Jmath wrote:
Is it the salt or a non bilingual label that is the issue? I thought that was Skratch's problem in Canada last year?

I received an email from Gatorade Canada over 9 years ago saying that they were about to get approval for Gatorade Endurance in Canada so I don't think a bilingual label is the issue.
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [skot123] [ In reply to ]
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skot123 wrote:
The thing i am taking from this thread....

After swimming, safely navigating a daredevil descent, suffering mightily on the climb back up, and limping through a full marathon... there may be cold, probably stale, poutine waiting for me?

There had better be some left by the time i drag my old, fat BOP ass across that finish line!

Poutine was at Mont Tremblant, not Whistler.

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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Are we allowed to bring Endurance across the border for personal consumption? We are driving from California.
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [spool] [ In reply to ]
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spool wrote:
Are we allowed to bring Endurance across the border for personal consumption? We are driving from California.

Customs and Immigration at the border will not be aware that Gatorade Endurance is not registered for sale in Canada, so you will be fine. I have bought some in the US a few times and brought it back with me.
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [spool] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone know what size bottle of Gatorade they're handing out on the bike course?

The athlete guide is finally on the website, btw.
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [spool] [ In reply to ]
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Not to hi jack but why is perform no longer used in the us races?

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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [chris948] [ In reply to ]
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There is a very good reason why most of the sports nutrition companies have REDUCED the calories per ml. It has been demonstrated in numerous studies that calories taken in liquid form (including gu's) create an overload of sugars in the small intestine, requiring the body to pull water from the blood serum to create proper balance, ultimately resulting in severe dehydration, regardless of how much water you drink, and also ultimately resulting in a complete shutdown of the small intestine, meaning NO nutritional absorption. The ONLY way to avoid this is to take your calories in a natural form (solid), which allows a proper regulation of needed calories. The reason for the 20 ish calories per 8 oz of water is for fluid absorption, NOT calorie replacement. Once again, pay attention to current science and it has been well established that this small carb load improves water absorption without disrupting the small intestine process.
Last comment on this thread topic. Salt??? Really? Anyone doing an Ironman should have at least a basic enough understanding of human physiology to understand that if you are sweating your sodium serum level is going UP, not down, and the only thing that can create a low sodium serum level is drinking TOO MUCH fluid, with or without sodium. The amount of sodium as a low normal in a human is 135 mmol/l, with converts to roughly 52 GRAMS per liter. It will not make a significant difference to your sodium serum level if you are drinking plain water or consuming even 1 to 2 grams of sodium per hour. I have avoided added sodium in all of my diet for over 3 years, and in that time completed numerous ironman and 70.3 races, and an ultraman and the furnace 508 cycling race, done well enough to set AG records, and have not had 1 cramp since stopping the excess sodium. This admit tingly has less to do with the sodium reduction, and more to do with recognizing the futility of expecting sodium to reduce cramping, and shifting my attention to the real causes, such as muscle imbalances (quite common with endurance athletes) and lack of a proper strength training program. In summary, no Gatoraide? Who cares? Drink water, eat solid food that you like, and have a great race 😃
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [IntenseOne] [ In reply to ]
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It has been demonstrated in numerous studies that calories taken in liquid form (including gu's) create an overload of sugars in the small intestine..... Lots of words...... More words.... Nothing to back up "numerous studies".... More words


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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [chris948] [ In reply to ]
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It has been demonstrated in numerous studies that calories taken in liquid form (including gu's) create an overload of sugars in the small intestine..... Lots of words...... More words.... Nothing to back up "numerous studies".... More words

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Brilliant reply 😀 perhaps I should have assumed that some of the readers on this forum are too lazy to look things up. Google Stacy Sims, or Osmo Nutrition, she has both her own studies and "many" others, also try Scratch Labs, warning - the studies contain many words, which will make it difficult for you, or just continue your path of ignorance
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [IntenseOne] [ In reply to ]
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How about peer reviewed studies instead of press relations?

Generic sports drinks have reduced calories because we've become a bunch of fat asses and "Low calorie" sells.
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [IntenseOne] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, that's exactly why Gatorade and other sports drink reduced the calories in some of their drinks.

/sarcasm.

IntenseOne wrote:
There is a very good reason why most of the sports nutrition companies have REDUCED the calories per ml. It has been demonstrated in numerous studies that calories taken in liquid form (including gu's) create an overload of sugars in the small intestine, requiring the body to pull water from the blood serum to create proper balance, ultimately resulting in severe dehydration, regardless of how much water you drink, and also ultimately resulting in a complete shutdown of the small intestine, meaning NO nutritional absorption. The ONLY way to avoid this is to take your calories in a natural form (solid), which allows a proper regulation of needed calories. The reason for the 20 ish calories per 8 oz of water is for fluid absorption, NOT calorie replacement. Once again, pay attention to current science and it has been well established that this small carb load improves water absorption without disrupting the small intestine process.
Last comment on this thread topic. Salt??? Really? Anyone doing an Ironman should have at least a basic enough understanding of human physiology to understand that if you are sweating your sodium serum level is going UP, not down, and the only thing that can create a low sodium serum level is drinking TOO MUCH fluid, with or without sodium. The amount of sodium as a low normal in a human is 135 mmol/l, with converts to roughly 52 GRAMS per liter. It will not make a significant difference to your sodium serum level if you are drinking plain water or consuming even 1 to 2 grams of sodium per hour. I have avoided added sodium in all of my diet for over 3 years, and in that time completed numerous ironman and 70.3 races, and an ultraman and the furnace 508 cycling race, done well enough to set AG records, and have not had 1 cramp since stopping the excess sodium. This admit tingly has less to do with the sodium reduction, and more to do with recognizing the futility of expecting sodium to reduce cramping, and shifting my attention to the real causes, such as muscle imbalances (quite common with endurance athletes) and lack of a proper strength training program. In summary, no Gatoraide? Who cares? Drink water, eat solid food that you like, and have a great race 😃


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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [owen.] [ In reply to ]
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Owen- I only consider peer reviewed studies that are done with proper scientific principle, and that is exactly what I was referring to.
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [-BrandonMarshTX] [ In reply to ]
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-BrandonMarshTX wrote:
You'll have to check the website.

I think my athlete said Stinger gels/blocks and waffles.

And Gatorade.

I'm curious about solid food nutrition for the bike. The June Update says waffles, but the the official athlete guide lists bike nutrition as gels and energy bars and the run nutrition lists gels and chews, with no mention of waffles.
The waffles were there the first year in Whistler, but they weren't provided last year or I missed them. Could someone get confirmation for this?
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [spool] [ In reply to ]
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spool wrote:
Are we allowed to bring Endurance across the border for personal consumption? We are driving from California.

As far as I know you can for personal consumption....you just can't sell it in Canada.
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Re: Gatorade at IM Whistler [IntenseOne] [ In reply to ]
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IntenseOne wrote:
It has been demonstrated in numerous studies that calories taken in liquid form (including gu's) create an overload of sugars in the small intestine, requiring the body to pull water from the blood serum to create proper balance, ultimately resulting in severe dehydration, regardless of how much water you drink, and also ultimately resulting in a complete shutdown of the small intestine, meaning NO nutritional absorption. The ONLY way to avoid this is to take your calories in a natural form (solid), which allows a proper regulation of needed calories.

If athletes consuming gu's and other sources of non-solid nutrition suffered from severe dehydration and shutdown of the small intestine I think this would be common knowledge by now.
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