B,

I pinged a mate who lives there and knows a few people in the race org, will let you know what I find out.

Jack

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It was Perform in 13. G2 is probably a typo.

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Brandon I will check in with some people in the Canadian arm of WTC and confirm. I thought it was going to be Gatorade EF at the races even though it may not be commercially available in Canada....but I may be wrong. Does this question imply we will see you in Whistler, or is the question on behalf of another athlete?

Could you please post your findings publicly on here so others racing Whistler (me) can find out too? Big thanks. If you are able, flavor of drink on run and bike courses would be nice to know also. For totally psychological reasons I cannot drink orange gatorade. So, if it is the only flavor offered on the bike course and/or run course I need to plan ahead and adjust. I am looking forward to trying the Whistler course out. Good comments from folks like you have me excited for race weekend.

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Hey guys, just giving you my $.02 on this as everything I've been told, on & off the record is Whistler will have regular Gatorade (50-cal per 8oz/210mL) & NOT the Gatorade Endurance which is what will be on-course at the IM events in the US.

For reference, the carbohydrate profile in the regular (ie Thirst Quencher) & endurance formula is identical with the only difference being the electrolyte composition.

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This is kind of what I thought. But, I've got someone double checking.

Dev. No, I'm retired from serious racing. No Whistler for me.

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Brandon, you definitely have more important things on hand. Thank you for your "service" to our sport and I am glad we got to support your quest in a small way.

I have confirmation from WTC Canada guys that it is regular Gatorade (same calories less sodium than EF). So all you guys may want to add one Salt Stick tab (or two) per bottle to get you on par with Perform/EF.

Just an FYI I went through the guide for Victoria and it says G2 gatorade, which sucks but at least we know.

Not sure if it will be the same for whistler but I'll ask when I'm there in a couple weeks.

Maurice

It will be Gatorade G2 on course (bottle form on the bike, powder form in jugs on the run). It will NOT be Gatorade Endurance. Cola will be Pepsi.

My confirmation was same as Dev's. Normal gatorade. Lower sodium hut the same calories as gatorade endurance. From a gatorade person.

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Thanks for the info. Guess I'll go buy a few cases of this stuff to get my stomach "acclimated." Any idea what the on-course nutrition will be?

You'll have to check the website.

I think my athlete said Stinger gels/blocks and waffles.

And Gatorade.

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I find honey stinger products to be unbearably sweet.....looks like I'll have to stuff my pockets with gu.

Thank you again

Not to add to the confusion but the Athlete Service Manager at IM Western Canada (rachel macatee) has responded to an email (posted by someone on the IM Canada FB group) that all races in western Canada will have Gatorade (G2) and Honey Stringer. Flavors unknown. She did mention the deal wasn't finalized so maybe it will be changed to regular Gatorade.

I guess this contradicts what Mitch Fraser told me about the drink being regular Gatorade. I'll re confirm with them later today. It just makes no sense to sign a deal for G2. Now you have to take the drink and supplement with a gel to get back to the same calories you would normally get out of a bottle. Also keep in mind that the sodium is already lower than Gatorade Endurance Formula in both regular gatorade and G2. All this means is that with G2 we are getting half the calories and less than half the sodium for the same volume of water. Many athletes will dilute their blood sodium with all the additional water in G2, so probably don't need "extra water" off the course. Low sweaters will need to substantially top up sodium and calories since G2 is low on both for the same volume of water. Personally I view G2 as a pain. Regular Gatorade is already a pain, given that we have to supplement on sodium. Now we have to supplement on sodium and calories.

Dev

I completely agree with your assessment on why G2 is a nonsensical move. I really don't understand how this question can be so hard to answer.

I did a comparison while at the grocery store of both G2 and regular Gatorade, and came to a similar conclusion. G2 is practically useless for our purposes. They should at least provide the regular stuff, since the cost is the same.

Can we assume that whatever they do for Whistler will be the same for IMMT?

And IMMT 70.3 is in a few weeks - would that have the same as the full in August?

I was thinking that if we can't get an answer from WTC/IM, we should be able to make a more educated guess after IM Victoria 70.3 next weekend.

Hopefully we will get some clarification on all of this in the next day or so. I have asked and put in my 2 cents for whatever this is worth. As much as I detested the TASTE of Perform, at least my body could absorb it decently and I would get something like 450 mg of Sodium in a bottle to go with just a around 180 cals if I recall correctly. 5 bottles of that alone and you were at 1000 cals and 2000 mg sodium. If I added a few other nutrition sources (I typically take 600 cals + 2400 mg NaCl from Infinit) and a powerbar and I'd be set starting the run. If it really si G2, need a lot more calories and salt to top up from G2...regular Gatorade, need to still top up salt.

OK, Janet Fraser responded this evening and replied saying there is a mistake in the IM Victoria athlete guide. It is 100% regular Gatorade for all Canadian events as they brokered the deal. So we can all move on....just make sure you guys supplement with some sodium relative to Perform if you were "zero water" hydrators and just using the sport drink. If you were adding water, to your intake mix, then we regular Gatorade, you might be at similar sodium concentration. Calories between regular Gatorade and Perform are similar.

Dev

So is GE not available in Canada? What's the deal with that?


How many "I cramped at IMC or IMMT or IMMusk due to lack of electrolytes" excuse threads will there be? Half pink on purpose. :-)

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FWIW Dev, the caloric difference between Gatorade (50cal) & Perform (70cal) is basically the same as the difference between Gatorade (50) & G2 (30) - per 8oz.

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G2 is like 20 per 8oz. It's a joke for anyone doing an activity necessitating gatorade and then there's the sucralose...

It seems our communist government here in Canada somehow has approved Perform, but not Gatorade EF for consumer consumption. Might just be that Gatorade never went through the approvals....there seems no logical reason why, but yes, the "half pink on purpose" should likely be fully pink. Hopefully we can help spread the word so that athletes make the appropriate adjustments.

Dev

Isn't there water available?

My fault Chris as I was reviewing the data on my mobile & didn't notice the 12oz serving (ie 30cal /12oz).

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Is there water or does one have no choice but to drink this shit?

Always water & cola as other liquid options.

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Wow, deja vu all over again. I just Googled "Gatorade Endurance Canada" and found a 2006 post of mine asking how to buy Gatorade Endurance in Canada. Hard to believe that almost a decade later our government is still protecting us from the dangers of salty sports drinks.

Can someone confirm that I have this straight. Last year all Ironman races used Ironman Perform and this year US races are using Gatorade Endurance and Canadian races are using regular Gatorade? Is that correct? Also any suggestions on purchasing Gatorade Endurance in Canada or getting it mail order?

Confirming the part in bold.

As for our government, well if they have to protect us from salt then how come Perform slid in and are they going to ban Poutine (especially the servings you get in the finisher zone at IMMT?).

Is it the salt or a non bilingual label that is the issue? I thought that was Skratch's problem in Canada last year?

The thing i am taking from this thread....

After swimming, safely navigating a daredevil descent, suffering mightily on the climb back up, and limping through a full marathon... there may be cold, probably stale, poutine waiting for me?

There had better be some left by the time i drag my old, fat BOP ass across that finish line!

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I do the same thing as them, just slower

I received an email from Gatorade Canada over 9 years ago saying that they were about to get approval for Gatorade Endurance in Canada so I don't think a bilingual label is the issue.

Poutine was at Mont Tremblant, not Whistler.

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Are we allowed to bring Endurance across the border for personal consumption? We are driving from California.

Customs and Immigration at the border will not be aware that Gatorade Endurance is not registered for sale in Canada, so you will be fine. I have bought some in the US a few times and brought it back with me.

Anyone know what size bottle of Gatorade they're handing out on the bike course?

The athlete guide is finally on the website, btw.

Not to hi jack but why is perform no longer used in the us races?

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There is a very good reason why most of the sports nutrition companies have REDUCED the calories per ml. It has been demonstrated in numerous studies that calories taken in liquid form (including gu's) create an overload of sugars in the small intestine, requiring the body to pull water from the blood serum to create proper balance, ultimately resulting in severe dehydration, regardless of how much water you drink, and also ultimately resulting in a complete shutdown of the small intestine, meaning NO nutritional absorption. The ONLY way to avoid this is to take your calories in a natural form (solid), which allows a proper regulation of needed calories. The reason for the 20 ish calories per 8 oz of water is for fluid absorption, NOT calorie replacement. Once again, pay attention to current science and it has been well established that this small carb load improves water absorption without disrupting the small intestine process.
Last comment on this thread topic. Salt??? Really? Anyone doing an Ironman should have at least a basic enough understanding of human physiology to understand that if you are sweating your sodium serum level is going UP, not down, and the only thing that can create a low sodium serum level is drinking TOO MUCH fluid, with or without sodium. The amount of sodium as a low normal in a human is 135 mmol/l, with converts to roughly 52 GRAMS per liter. It will not make a significant difference to your sodium serum level if you are drinking plain water or consuming even 1 to 2 grams of sodium per hour. I have avoided added sodium in all of my diet for over 3 years, and in that time completed numerous ironman and 70.3 races, and an ultraman and the furnace 508 cycling race, done well enough to set AG records, and have not had 1 cramp since stopping the excess sodium. This admit tingly has less to do with the sodium reduction, and more to do with recognizing the futility of expecting sodium to reduce cramping, and shifting my attention to the real causes, such as muscle imbalances (quite common with endurance athletes) and lack of a proper strength training program. In summary, no Gatoraide? Who cares? Drink water, eat solid food that you like, and have a great race 😃

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It has been demonstrated in numerous studies that calories taken in liquid form (including gu's) create an overload of sugars in the small intestine..... Lots of words...... More words.... Nothing to back up "numerous studies".... More words

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Brilliant reply 😀 perhaps I should have assumed that some of the readers on this forum are too lazy to look things up. Google Stacy Sims, or Osmo Nutrition, she has both her own studies and "many" others, also try Scratch Labs, warning - the studies contain many words, which will make it difficult for you, or just continue your path of ignorance

How about peer reviewed studies instead of press relations?

Generic sports drinks have reduced calories because we've become a bunch of fat asses and "Low calorie" sells.

Yes, that's exactly why Gatorade and other sports drink reduced the calories in some of their drinks.

/sarcasm.

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Owen- I only consider peer reviewed studies that are done with proper scientific principle, and that is exactly what I was referring to.

I'm curious about solid food nutrition for the bike. The June Update says waffles, but the the official athlete guide lists bike nutrition as gels and energy bars and the run nutrition lists gels and chews, with no mention of waffles.
The waffles were there the first year in Whistler, but they weren't provided last year or I missed them. Could someone get confirmation for this?

As far as I know you can for personal consumption....you just can't sell it in Canada.

If athletes consuming gu's and other sources of non-solid nutrition suffered from severe dehydration and shutdown of the small intestine I think this would be common knowledge by now.