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Re: Matt Hanson running CIM [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
Greg Billington...2:16
Steffen Justus....2:18
Christian Bustos...2:19
Adam Bowden...2:20
Ty Butterfield...2:21 //


I had thought that Tyler went in the mid teens somewhere? You can add:


Mark Sisson 2 ;17
Benjamin Parades. 2;10
And a shit load of really top 5k and 10k times from athletes that just never ran a marathon. Low 13's to 27+ highs.


Mau Mendez has a 2:18:36 PB, but he ain’t doing triathlon anymore.
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Re: Matt Hanson running CIM [TulkasTri] [ In reply to ]
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hanson got "old - manned" . looks like valiencia though
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Re: Matt Hanson running CIM [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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Estevez is a former 3:42 1500 m runner and bronze medalist at elite worlds in the same event. So he has the pure elite runner background.

Before someone posts it inaccurately (i.e. "he got busted for doping"): in 2010 he was questioned by police over a doping ring, to be factual, he was neither convicted nor tested positive. I reckon this does not prove one way or the other.
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Re: Matt Hanson running CIM [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
And a shit load of really top 5k and 10k times from athletes that just never ran a marathon. Low 13's to 27+ highs.

like ironmike i would be interested in knowing more about the above triathletes running low 13s and 27 highs.
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Re: Matt Hanson running CIM [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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jkhayc wrote:
monty wrote:
And a shit load of really top 5k and 10k times from athletes that just never ran a marathon. Low 13's to 27+ highs.


like ironmike i would be interested in knowing more about the above triathletes running low 13s and 27 highs.


Only triathlete that fits this profile is Alex Yee

Wilde has run 13 mid 5k as well
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Re: Matt Hanson running CIM [Engner66] [ In reply to ]
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Engner66 wrote:
Estevez is a former 3:42 1500 m runner and bronze medalist at elite worlds in the same event. So he has the pure elite runner background.

Before someone posts it inaccurately (i.e. "he got busted for doping"): in 2010 he was questioned by police over a doping ring, to be factual, he was neither convicted nor tested positive. I reckon this does not prove one way or the other.

3:30:57 1500m runner. Back to inaccurate posting warnings.
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Re: Matt Hanson running CIM [USCoregonian] [ In reply to ]
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USCoregonian wrote:
jkhayc wrote:
monty wrote:
And a shit load of really top 5k and 10k times from athletes that just never ran a marathon. Low 13's to 27+ highs.


like ironmike i would be interested in knowing more about the above triathletes running low 13s and 27 highs.


Only triathlete that fits this profile is Alex Yee

Wilde has run 13 mid 5k as well

I am fairly certain Morgan Pearson fits the profile as well as almost the entire top ten of the WTCS list, plus a few others
https://triathlon.org/...pionship_series/male
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Re: Matt Hanson running CIM [IntenseOne] [ In reply to ]
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Morgan ran a 1:02 during the pandemic to win the half marathon the Hansons put on against a pretty strong field. He then ran 1:01:47 after that. Definitely a guy with sub-2:10 potential.
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Re: Matt Hanson running CIM [IntenseOne] [ In reply to ]
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There have been so many great runners that passed through our sport, and many are just unknown to todays fans. Glen Cook and Olaf Sabatuis ran 1;03/04 half marathons. Greg Whitley ran a 3;55 mile and a low 13;20+ 5k. There was a lifeguard I worked with, name escapes me now, but he was routinely running fastest runs in ITU in the early days, just from 2nd pack and thus anonymous. He ran low mid 28 10k. And remember all these old runs were in the old shoes too, so you can handicap that however you feel necessary.

I think Ryan Bolton now a coach, ran a 2 teen marathon, and was a top NCAA steeple chaser I think. Lukas Verbicas had a short career, but sub 4 minute miler in high school, who also ran some pretty fast times. Craig Mothram was a pro triathlete for a bit, 12;55 5k and mid 27 10k with a 3;48 mile. Alan Webb was even faster in the mile, and of course was a pro runner for a long time before and after be did triathlons.

There are just so many from back in the day and many more now. Its just that most dont do pure running races, and certainly not marathons for most besides the ones in Ironmans. The ITU top 20 runners are all sub 29 10k runners, so no doubt some of them would excel at longer running races.

And then you have guys like Blu who beat our current high 27+ 10k runners in the biggest race on the calendar, head to head too. So not a stretch to think guys like him do not have super fast stand alone runs in them too. Think I saw a training race he did where he went a 13'50+ 5k. And all the current times are in season ones, where these guys are still competing triple sports.
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Re: Matt Hanson running CIM [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Sean Jefferson, 3:56 miler. I was in his age group at USAT age group nationals and I remember him blowing by me like I was standing still during the run. I ran 33 minutes for 10k that day, so it wasn't like I was jogging either. I think he ran 31 minutes or even 30 that day.
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Re: Matt Hanson running CIM [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
There have been so many great runners that passed through our sport, and many are just unknown to todays fans. Glen Cook and Olaf Sabatuis ran 1;03/04 half marathons. Greg Whitley ran a 3;55 mile and a low 13;20+ 5k. There was a lifeguard I worked with, name escapes me now, but he was routinely running fastest runs in ITU in the early days, just from 2nd pack and thus anonymous. He ran low mid 28 10k. And remember all these old runs were in the old shoes too, so you can handicap that however you feel necessary.

I think Ryan Bolton now a coach, ran a 2 teen marathon, and was a top NCAA steeple chaser I think. Lukas Verbicas had a short career, but sub 4 minute miler in high school, who also ran some pretty fast times. Craig Mothram was a pro triathlete for a bit, 12;55 5k and mid 27 10k with a 3;48 mile. Alan Webb was even faster in the mile, and of course was a pro runner for a long time before and after be did triathlons.

There are just so many from back in the day and many more now. Its just that most dont do pure running races, and certainly not marathons for most besides the ones in Ironmans. The ITU top 20 runners are all sub 29 10k runners, so no doubt some of them would excel at longer running races.

And then you have guys like Blu who beat our current high 27+ 10k runners in the biggest race on the calendar, head to head too. So not a stretch to think guys like him do not have super fast stand alone runs in them too. Think I saw a training race he did where he went a 13'50+ 5k. And all the current times are in season ones, where these guys are still competing triple sports.


maybe today's fans don't know them. maybe also, "the older i get, the faster i was"?

olaf's 1:03 PB appears to be a 1:04:51, which is indeed blazing. i can't find anything for glen cook.

greg whitely was indeed a track star with 13:21 and 28:45 track PBs, and a road 5k of 13:44; his best multisport result looks like a 38th at ITU Duathlon worlds in '95.

bolton is down as a 1:05 half marathon, (not a legal result) and definitely had an ironman win in his career along with his short-course success.

lukas verzbicas is down for a 3:59.7 mile and a 14:51 5000.

mottram raced tri as a junior, and is definitely the only multisporter who ever took gebreselassie to the line.

alex yee shows a 10000 PB of 27:51 and a 5000 of 13:29, which is definitely on the edge of 27-high and 13-mid, though again on a track, in spikes, against track athletes. and Blummenfelt's 10000 is a 29:42 at bislett. he did indeed go 13:51 at an invitational 5k in norway, where gustav went 14:07 and caspar went 14:13. but none of those is a low-13.

i still just don't know where the shitloads of 13-minute and 27-minute triathletes are.

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