So if it was racked properly, what was the penalty for?

In what way did the official determine that it was improperly racked.

I think we need pictures as so one seems to understand the situation.

I know for a fact, USAT reads this. One has to assume EVERYONE reads ST, include this ref.



Dave

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Still makes no sense. If you racked it, why would you have to ask an official if its racked properly?



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"...So I decide to put my bike ont the end of the rack b/c only about half of the rack is being used. This will be important later..."

"So what was I supposed to do...rack my bike on top of everyone else and kick their stuff outta the way???"

no more splitting hairs. it was either properly positioned inside the rack support legs, or outside. can't be that tough to figure out.

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Ok, now things are getting clearer, and I am starting to have some sympathy.

OK, it all makes sense now. And I agree it was a BS penalty. I guess you should have OK'd not racking your bike in your designated spot prior to the race starting. Who in the heck even noticed that your bike was not in the correct spot?

Congratulations on your "win" it sounds like you kicked butt and overcame some stinky hot conditions. :-)

So are you saying you were a numbered racer, and did not put your bike correctly at your number?

I know when I see racers show up "late" to a race and then push bikes out of the way on the best rack, I get real upset!!! I have been at a number of races where I am the very first bike on the race, so yep, I try to find what I think is the best spot.

No matter what the reason is, if one gets to a race late, I always figure it must not be that important.

But, rules are rules. I wonder if you would be upset if the other guys beat you, you saw them break a rule, any rule.

No way they gave you a penalty unless it clearly broke the rules is where I would be my money. Maybe we can ask the ref to give us the other side of the story? :o)

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gotcha. it was "properly" racked....but not in the space assigned.

you didn't have time to ask for help or get a variance up front? sounds like you knew there was an issue from the get go.

and the slam on the official is still lame.

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Wow 9:10 at your last IM. Thats a killer time!! Congrads.

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I am always at the rack 90 minutes before race start. But, yep, lots get there late.

So, if the racks were numbered, and you were there 35 minutes before race start, seems like it was plenty of time to move bikes out of the way so you got your space. I know when I do wildflower, all the spots are marked, and there are some folks who try to take more space then they get. So yep, there stuff gets moved.

I am just trying to learn what happened to you so I can try and make sure I dont get caught in the same situation like you did.

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This reminds me of the time KJGrog got 4 minutes for cutting his race number.

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Article VII

Transition Area Conduct

Section 7.3

"Bicycle Placement. All participants must return their bicycles to an upright position in the properly designated bicycle corral .......Any violation of this section shall result in a variable time penalty."

I could not find anything about what happens if the spots are numbered per person, and one puts their bike in a different spot.



Article III

General ruls of conduct and penalties

3.8 Acts Warranting Suspension

b). Gross or continued unsportsmanlike conduct



Be careful.





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So again, why did you get a penalty? I still dont understand. I also see nothing in the rule book other than the word corral even though I have always been told you have to put your bike back from where it started.

Again, I am very very interested to understand what happened. To take away a first place with such a killer performance is something I want to understand. Since I have started to be the ref in TA areas, am trying to learn what happened in case I see the same type of situation, what ever it is that I cant see.

Thanks for the help trying to have use see what happened.

Dave

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Did you get a written rule section that you broke? If not, or made no sense, did you protest as article X says you can do?

(Have you ordered your free rule book from USAT?)

I thought if anyone gets a penalty, you can request a written reason why and be shown in the rule book what you broke. So far I can only find the word corral in the rule book I am looking at. Did he give you a section you broke?

Dave

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I agree. Start a new thead and title and put down why you were told you got a penalty. Again, I got the rule book right here in my hands, and wait, I just read it again.

Section VII

7.2 Placement of Equipment

All participants shall place equipment only in the properly designated and individually assigned bicycle corral .... Any violation... is time penalty.

So, right or wrong, there it is. So, if this was a USAT event, and you were first, have to say, they did the right thing. Sorry



Dave

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